Clubs Must Dread This Time of Year - Injuries

[Cards13 9,117]

Age article says Fasalo broke his arm in an “incident” over the weekend. Blues investigating, he’s out 6-8 weeks

Wines tore up his shoulder water skiing. Scans this week.

Clubs must dread seeing a players name come up on the phone during this time of the year. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Training mishaps are common and it’s purely bad luck if you lose a player on the track so close the start of a season. I guess sometimes we as supporters dread reading training reports for that reason.

You’d be peeved if you were Port though, had a read of the Alberton forums just to see how divided the opinion was. Yes, players have a life outside football, but when you’re favourite to become the club’s captain should you be taking care of your body by not exposing it to such risk? 

The scans could clear Wines of serious damage after all that, I would just prefer Viney kept playing Fortnite on his time off.

Edited January 27, 2019 by Dee Zephyr

[Cards13 9,117]

I’d be more peeved if I was a Blues fan (for many reasons), you’d hope Fas wasn’t playing frisbee with his dog. 

Wines and players in general you have to let them live, would hate to get to a point like US sports where players have clauses in contracts saying they can’t ride motorcycles or play dangerous sports. 

[Moonshadow 17,678]

28 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I’d be more peeved if I was a Blues fan (for many reasons), you’d hope Fas wasn’t playing frisbee with his dog. 

Wines and players in general you have to let them live, would hate to get to a point like US sports where players have clauses in contracts saying they can’t ride motorcycles or play dangerous sports. 

Depends upon the activity.

If I was paying a highly valuable employee a small fortune, I'd want to make sure they aren't putting their productivity at risk.

While it's not in AFL contracts, I'm sure clubs have boundaries on what players can get up to outside of the club environment. 

[Mickey 4,752]

Kane Cornes reporting Wines has dislocated his shoulder and may miss 3 months. Going a bit early considering he hasn't had the scan yet.

 

[rjay 25,202]

57 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I’d be more peeved if I was a Blues fan (for many reasons), you’d hope Fas wasn’t playing frisbee with his dog. 

Wines and players in general you have to let them live, would hate to get to a point like US sports where players have clauses in contracts saying they can’t ride motorcycles or play dangerous sports. 

I'm surprised we don't have them.

It's about time we did.

The players are well paid, that money comes at a cost.

You don't get nothing for nothing....

If I was on 500k plus I don't think I would see too much problem in not riding a motorcycle, skiing or other activities.

In all honesty I would be looking to protect my income.

Edited January 27, 2019 by rjay

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,522]

I wouldn’t have thought that water skiing was a particularly ‘dangerous’ or ‘wreckless’ activity for someone to undertake.  May be a case of Kane Cornes being Kane Cornes and over-dramatising things, big I too have read some angry Port supporters slamming Wines online.

FWIW I was also surprised by many Melbourne supporters and even Paul Roos’ comments about Petracca’s ankle injury whilst playing backyard basketball...

[Demon trucker 1,800]

4 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I wouldn’t have thought that water skiing was a particularly ‘dangerous’ or ‘wreckless’ activity for someone to undertake.  May be a case of Kane Cornes being Kane Cornes and over-dramatising things, big I too have read some angry Port supporters slamming Wines online.

FWIW I was also surprised by many Melbourne supporters and even Paul Roos’ comments about Petracca’s ankle injury whilst playing backyard basketball...

Well it is dangerous, water skiing, more dangerous then riding a motorbike, it was not trac playing basketball that was the problem, it was that he did it barefoot.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

It's the other side of the coin.

When a player is on big dollars, and they do a knee in a game, break a leg, or what have you, we say, well, their careers are short, you never know when it's all going to come to a shuddering halt, etc. Good on 'em, they deserve the money, let them capitalise while they can ...

Everyone thought the Swans were mad signing up Buddy to a 500 year contract but no-one thought Buddy was mad for taking it.

So when you're in a position where a club is prepared to pay you those big dollars, you also have a responsibility to give your best shot at giving them value for money. And the more key the player, the more so. Richmond for example ... up to this season, they structured their whole forward setup around Riewoldt. What would the board have said if he'd gone glacier climbing in Alaska and blew out both kneecaps? I can't hear them saying "well, their careers are short, you never know when it's all going to come to a shuddering halt, etc"

[Gator 17,629]

20 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

FWIW I was also surprised by many Melbourne supporters and even Paul Roos’ comments about Petracca’s ankle injury whilst playing backyard basketball...

From memory, the biggest issue with Petracca's injury (the gripe) was that he was doing it in bare feet.

[McQueen 17,867]

I’m an avid slalom water skier and was surprised to hear of Wines injury considering he’s such a big strong bloke. If his shoulder popped out from a normal slalom pass, the kid is going to have issues for the rest of his career you’d think. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

49 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I wouldn’t have thought that water skiing was a particularly ‘dangerous’ or ‘wreckless’ activity for someone to undertake.  May be a case of Kane Cornes being Kane Cornes and over-dramatising things, big I too have read some angry Port supporters slamming Wines online.

FWIW I was also surprised by many Melbourne supporters and even Paul Roos’ comments about Petracca’s ankle injury whilst playing backyard basketball...

Maybe the infamous dog was also playing.

[daisycutter 29,799]

17 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I’m an avid slalom water skier and was surprised to hear of Wines injury considering he’s such a big strong bloke. If his shoulder popped out from a normal slalom pass, the kid is going to have issues for the rest of his career you’d think. 

maybe he was trying bare foot skiing. now that is dangerous. my fil used to do it a lot (quite a few years ago) and he got knocked about quite often due to the higher speeds involved.

[McQueen 17,867]

31 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

maybe he was trying bare foot skiing. now that is dangerous. my fil used to do it a lot (quite a few years ago) and he got knocked about quite often due to the higher speeds involved.

True but even a good stack off a ski can be bad if the ski digs as you’re going over. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Cornes isn’t letting up on Wines. 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,297]

A real shame for Wines,  I enjoy watching him play. Let's hope he is fit and firing for Round 2....?

[Moonshadow 17,678]

3 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

A real shame for Wines,  I enjoy watching him play. Let's hope he is fit and firing for Round 2....?

I see what you did there ?

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

'd want to make sure they aren't putting their productivity at risk.

Well posited. 

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Age article says Fasalo broke his arm in an “incident” over the weekend. Blues investigating, he’s out 6-8 weeks

Wines tore up his shoulder water skiing. Scans this week.

Clubs must dread seeing a players name come up on the phone during this time of the year. 

Port should sack him for this.!

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Edited January 28, 2019 by DV8

[Smokey 4,389]

On 1/28/2019 at 10:45 AM, rjay said:

I'm surprised we don't have them.

It's about time we did.

The players are well paid, that money comes at a cost.

You don't get nothing for nothing....

If I was on 500k plus I don't think I would see too much problem in not riding a motorcycle, skiing or other activities.

In all honesty I would be looking to protect my income.

The problem is, the term "dangerous activities" is completely subjective. Riding a motorcycle for an inexperienced rider is quite dangerous. But someone who has been riding motorbikes for their entire life? Not so much. If we proceeded with something like this, we then have the potential danger of entering the territory of being a "nanny" football club. Some players may take issue with that, which then has the unintended outcome of damaging the culture at the club. So then the question must be asked, whats more risky - allowing players to, for example, ride motorbikes if they so wish, or exposing the team to cultural issues that may arise from telling grown men what they can and can't do in their spare time?

I have no answer for this.  

[rjay 25,202]

4 minutes ago, Smokey said:

The problem is, the term "dangerous activities" is completely subjective. Riding a motorcycle for an inexperienced rider is quite dangerous. But someone who has been riding motorbikes for their entire life? Not so much. If we proceeded with something like this, we then have the potential danger of entering the territory of being a "nanny" football club. Some players may take issue with that, which then has the unintended outcome of damaging the culture at the club. So then the question must be asked, whats more risky - allowing players to, for example, ride motorbikes if they so wish, or exposing the team to cultural issues that may arise from telling grown men what they can and can't do in their spare time?

I have no answer for this.  

I'm thinking it will be more a blanket clause in all AFL contracts and I'm sure they will itemise the dangerous activities.

...by the way the danger in riding a motorcycle is not necessarily the rider...it's the clowns on the road in general.

Personally I won't even ride a push bike on the road anymore.

[Smokey 4,389]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

I'm thinking it will be more a blanket clause in all AFL contracts and I'm sure they will itemise the dangerous activities.

...by the way the danger in riding a motorcycle is not necessarily the rider...it's the clowns on the road in general.

Personally I won't even ride a push bike on the road anymore.

Any action that removes even the smallest amount of autonomy from the clubs is a bad move IMO. Let them focus on ruining the game by changing multiple rules each year without sufficient analysis. 

I think the problem with the AFL, and even society in general, is that they constantly feel the need to legislate against perceived problems. I'm reading an interesting book at the moment which suggests that the solution to any problem only causes new problems. In this case, lets say we enforce these clauses in all contracts. Great, now players are legally obligated to not partake in dangerous activities. Now here are the new problems - how is this stuff enforced, proactively or reactivity and how much time and effort will need to be allocated for that? What are the outcomes for a player caught wake boarding in December? Who does the initial assessments of what a dangerous activity is? What happens when players are found to be getting injured doing activities that weren't deemed dangerous? (duty of care now comes into it).

I dunno, that seems like a lot of effort and resources simply because a handful of players have accidents over the off season. At some point everyone should accept that you can't prevent everything, bad things happen to people with good intentions and that life is full of problems that don't necessarily need to be addressed with more legalese.       

Edited January 29, 2019 by Smokey

[Master Deebater 495]

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

Any action that removes even the smallest amount of autonomy from the clubs is a bad move IMO. Let them focus on ruining the game by changing multiple rules each year without sufficient analysis. 

I think the problem with the AFL, and even society in general, is that they constantly feel the need to legislate against perceived problems. I'm reading an interesting book at the moment which suggests that the solution to any problem only causes new problems. In this case, lets say we enforce these clauses in all contracts. Great, now players are legally obligated to not partake in dangerous activities. Now here are the new problems - how is this stuff enforced, proactively or reactivity and how much time and effort will need to be allocated for that? What are the outcomes for a player caught wake boarding in December? Who does the initial assessments of what a dangerous activity is? What happens when players are found to be getting injured doing activities that weren't deemed dangerous? (duty of care now comes into it).

I dunno, that seems like a lot of effort and resources simply because a handful of players have accidents over the off season. At some point everyone should accept that you can't prevent everything, bad things happen to people with good intentions and that life is full of problems that don't necessarily need to be addressed with more legalese.       

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That makes sense & I get where you're coming from. That book sounds like a great read. Can you share the title & detail, please?

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,820]

6 hours ago, Smokey said:

The problem is, the term "dangerous activities" is completely subjective. Riding a motorcycle for an inexperienced rider is quite dangerous. But someone who has been riding motorbikes for their entire life? Not so much. If we proceeded with something like this, we then have the potential danger of entering the territory of being a "nanny" football club. Some players may take issue with that, which then has the unintended outcome of damaging the culture at the club. So then the question must be asked, whats more risky - allowing players to, for example, ride motorbikes if they so wish, or exposing the team to cultural issues that may arise from telling grown men what they can and can't do in their spare time?

I have no answer for this.  

The hospitals are full of motorbike riders who’ve been doing it for their entire lives.

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,820]

I know it’s Demon supporter pessimism, but I’m just waiting to hear that Max’s knee goes again, and Tmac,and Clarrie  miss the season.

We just don’t get stars that play 300 games(Neita  excepted)

Hawthorn, North, Carlton, ESS., Footscray , StK ,etc......300 game stars to burn!