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Training - Thursday 24th January, 2019

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If you are still on holiday and you want to have a squiz, there is a session 9.30am Goschs

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    Update on Billy Stretch would be appreciated.

    Oh and some one tell the coaches that Fritsch shouldn’t play half back. Thanks ?

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    14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

    If you are still on holiday and you want to have a squiz, there is a session 9.30am Goschs

    The website has been updated/changed

    Popping down there now for a squizz be there by 1030 assuming I can park somewhere! Will note anything I see as type worthy lol

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    4 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

    Update on Billy Stretch would be appreciated.

    Oh and some one tell the coaches that Fritsch shouldn’t play half back. Thanks ?

    Fritsch is too valuable as a forward to play in defence ... he ain't got jostle power, for defence ... but he is a great mark, has some speed, kicks quite well for goal (s) and can lead into space quite OK. Great at passing across minus 40metres, too. Sound handballer. Definite forward.

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    4 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

    Update on Billy Stretch would be appreciated.

    Oh and some one tell the coaches that Fritsch shouldn’t play half back. Thanks ?

    Billy’s looking sprightly and pretty sharp so far. 

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    I like Fritter as a sweeper across half back and up the wing. He's a great mark for his size, but more importantly he gets into good position and has excellent vision and kicking skills. It's guys like he and Salem (hopefully Kolo as well) who execute with precision and create opportunities for our forwards.

    I'd appreciate an update on Kolo if hes there. TIA.

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    1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

    I like Fritter as a sweeper across half back and up the wing. He's a great mark for his size, but more importantly he gets into good position and has excellent vision and kicking skills. It's guys like he and Salem (hopefully Kolo as well) who execute with precision and create opportunities for our forwards.

    Many up-sides to this player and his capacities - just worried, as mentioned, about him being flattened with such a light frame. 

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    Just noticed. Fritter, Salem and KK are being mentioned as half back sweepers with real potential. Their value might also be that they are all left footers.

    Left footers, as a minority group, have a natural, but marginal, advantage because they turn clock wise to get onto their kicking foot. Right footers naturally turn anti clockwise and, when chasing, can lose a bit of contact with left footers. The dorks exploited this with Lewis, Gibson, Rioli, Franklin and others.

    Add Viney, Lewis, May and we have a core group of lefties that could deliver an advantage.

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    12 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    I like Fritter as a sweeper across half back and up the wing. He's a great mark for his size, but more importantly he gets into good position and has excellent vision and kicking skills. It's guys like he and Salem (hopefully Kolo as well) who execute with precision and create opportunities for our forwards.

    I'd appreciate an update on Kolo if hes there. TIA.

    I prefer Fritter up forward i think. In large part because he has such beautiful hands, is a terrific mark (especially for his size) and his excellent kicking skills means he hits targets inside 50 and makes the most of his shots at goals. 

    But i can see the logic for him continuing to play off the HB line and think that is where they play him (based on training reports om which group he is training with).

    One, they seem to have Smith ear marked for a forward role, which i think makes sense with his leap (as they want to create aerial contests an ensure long balls coming in, if not marked are brought to ground - also his athleticism helps negate zone defenses and floating spare defenders). And if Smith plays forward there is no spot for Fitter. 

    Two, the skills noted above are also critical down back - kicking even more so. It is just so important to have players who don't turn it over from the HB line and with Salem there would be two players who not only are efficient are also able to hit aggressive, difficult kicks that create scoring chains.

    Third, if Lever does not come back until say round 9 Fritter can play the intercept marking role until then. 
     

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    5 minutes ago, tiers said:

    Just noticed. Fritter, Salem and KK are being mentioned as half back sweepers with real potential. Their value might also be that they are all left footers.

    Left footers, as a minority group, have a natural, but marginal, advantage because they turn clock wise to get onto their kicking foot. Right footers naturally turn anti clockwise and, when chasing, can lose a bit of contact with left footers. The dorks exploited this with Lewis, Gibson, Rioli, Franklin and others.

    Add Viney, Lewis, May and we have a core group of lefties that could deliver an advantage.

    Yes, really good point.

    Not sure if this is what you meant but left foot kicks often get a bit more space to release the ball a defenders instinctively cover the right side.

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    Tracc’s off with knee issues. Been favouring one knee all session now seems to have finished up after physio tests.

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    Clarrie running laps, Gus looks sharp in main session. Vanders looks like he’s gonna be much better for a pre season holy heck running like a man possessed. Track looks slim but seems sore and was doing some work on his knee w/exercises lead by physio. T.S. Doing work without bern on his kicking, def improvement needed but solid base just too high most His passes atm. Bernie gave great feedback and is a natural in this role!

     

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    1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

    Fritsch is too valuable as a forward to play in defence ... he ain't got jostle power, for defence ... but he is a great mark, has some speed, kicks quite well for goal (s) and can lead into space quite OK. Great at passing across minus 40metres, too. Sound handballer. Definite forward.

    I can see the logic of playing Frisch in defence.  Most scores come from turnovers.  So the best pressure players are going forward and the best kicks are going back.  It’s all about getting the ball forward and if you don’t kick a goal creating turnovers in forward 50 and lack of turnovers coming out of defensive 50.  Defenders often kick inside 50 with repeat inside 50s as well.  I suspect the best laid plans don’t always work and he’ll be thrown forward at some stage though.

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    50 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

    Tracc’s off with knee issues. Been favouring one knee all session now seems to have finished up after physio tests.

    Which knee? Maybe he needs to lose some weight on that side of his body.

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    13 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Which knee? Maybe he needs to lose some weight on that side of his body.

    His left knee. See below. Got some smalll consoling from Physio on his way off hopefully just a niggle.. 4C8EFB43-5CD1-4FF8-B229-50568ECABF1A.thumb.jpeg.5828a449461575f5678394da291feba1.jpeg

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    Good question, the left from memory. The strapped one.

    I'm no doctor, but from watching training I don't reckon he's got an overall weight problem. More a case of Buttoxia Grandiosa (or Hugh Jarse Syndrome).

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    I reckon Marty Hore can come into the backline, which means Fritsch wont have to go back there this year. only when he drops back to help mop up when playing on the wing, which is a more suitable role for him. reckon wing/fwd flank are his best positions. thought Fritsch was a bit flaky as a defender, and them dropping him for the last game and playing J.Smith instead, probably shows they were/are looking for someone stronger than Fritsch to play back there on a more permanent basis.

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    6 minutes ago, Nudge said:

    His left knee. See below. Got some smalll consoling from Physio on his way off hopefully just a niggle.. 4C8EFB43-5CD1-4FF8-B229-50568ECABF1A.thumb.jpeg.5828a449461575f5678394da291feba1.jpeg

    Could be related to the knee scope he had which Misson referred to the other day. 

    Fingers crossed it’s nothing major. 

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    15 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    Get down there @It's Time

    Ha! Thanks for the vote of confidence Ethan. But I'm back in Sydneytown. That was an unexpected trip due to an illness in the family. But I can say with a great deal of confidence about today's training the following :-

    They are training the house down. It's more organised than I've ever seen it. Everyone has gone to another level. etc etc

    Hope that helps. 

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    2 hours ago, tiers said:

    Just noticed. Fritter, Salem and KK are being mentioned as half back sweepers with real potential. Their value might also be that they are all left footers.

    Left footers, as a minority group, have a natural, but marginal, advantage because they turn clock wise to get onto their kicking foot. Right footers naturally turn anti clockwise and, when chasing, can lose a bit of contact with left footers. The dorks exploited this with Lewis, Gibson, Rioli, Franklin and others.

    Add Viney, Lewis, May and we have a core group of lefties that could deliver an advantage.

    Tiers, this from Ben Guthrie to support your point

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    2 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

    His Fritsch put on some size?

    Looking at training photos - no

    Have read the odd track watcher say the same.

    Running has gone to another level (in time trials anyway I believe) 

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    45 minutes ago, Demon Dude said:

    I reckon Marty Hore can come into the backline, which means Fritsch wont have to go back there this year. only when he drops back to help mop up when playing on the wing, which is a more suitable role for him. reckon wing/fwd flank are his best positions. thought Fritsch was a bit flaky as a defender, and them dropping him for the last game and playing J.Smith instead, probably shows they were/are looking for someone stronger than Fritsch to play back there on a more permanent basis.

    If you believe the PR, dropping Fritsch was about height and matchups. WC were playing 3 talls. 

    I really like the idea of Fritsch, KK and Salem rotating the HB sweeper / wing positions. 

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