Surprised if the suns are happy to let him go. Great talent, poorly developed; much like young players on our list in years past.

I don't think Tyson is the answer to getting him.  Dom is a Vic boy who is still under contract, not sure he wants to leave and play on the Gold Coast and he has the right of refusal I believe (the Ryan Ferguson rule).

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Ah, memories....

17 minutes ago, Winter Dan said:

Think we are going to try and turn next years 1st round pick into a handful of later picks this draft.

Bit hard to explain how we will fill all the vacancies otherwise.

We are ok for picks and vacancies - 6 of each excluding Kent trade.  Assuming we get a pick for him and then have 7 picks for 7 vacancies (or if we get a player (unlikely) it will still be 6 for 6). 

But the last two picks are 84 and 106, picks that aren't generally taken tp the draft.  But we can use them to upgrade two of our Rookies (eg Keilty, Maynard or T Smith). 

If we do those upgrades we have a reasonable draft hand with 5 picks (32, 43, 46, 56 + Kent pick), and 5 vacancies.

So no problems at this stage.

Edited September 27, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Ah, memories....

There have been some success stories as well, dieter.  I see your point, but we have a few of the success stories in our side right now, not to mention others over the years (Jeff White is one that instantly comes to mind to go with some others you mentioned).

But, I see your point, and most of our sides since the late 80s have become moderately successful off the back of shrewd recruiting and development.

What sets Kolo apart from those your mentioned in the first sentence is that he was a much higher draft pick who has shown he can play at AFL level.  Michie, Sellar, Rodan (at the tail end of his career) were not those types.

If the price is right then someone like Kolo, who can play half back, has good skills and pace and has lots of footy left in front of him, is worth the gamble.

Don’t mind it at all, surely a decent 3rd rounder would be something to think about.

6 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Ah, memories....

“Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance.”

27 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Which suggestions are those? 

KK who is out of contract and GC telling him to look elsewhere? 3rd round based on those facts is hardly outrageous at all.

It was more your suggestion of landing every big name in this trade period bar Lynch 

7 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Ah, memories....

Brett Lovett, Anthony Ingerson, Stephen Powell & Ricky Jackson

The Suns might just be selling it that they are happy to let him go.

I'd be very keen to get him. IIRC I think he was one of the reasons we traded back in the Kelly/Salem fiasco. We thought he was a good chance to be available at pick 9.

That said, I do have some doubts.

1. The concussions. I hope they are sorted with this neck business

2. Speed. He's not slow, but he's not quick either, as the game gets faster you can't carry many defenders who are above average speed

3. Position fit. Is he a wingman? I'm not sure. I think he's more of a half back flanker with some intercept and skill but not great defensive skills. A pretty nice replacement for Lewis but not a huge need I wouldn't have thought.

4. He'd be the 3rd guy we've bought in as a failed high(ish) pick that we liked in the draft, after Kennedy and Balic. Sometimes you have t concede that your rating was wrong or the development has been wrong.

10 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Ah, memories....

Melksham, Pederson, Hibberd and even Frost have worked out pretty well?

I understand your point but perhaps look at each individual in isolation and not the collective. 

 

17 minutes ago, dieter said:

Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan,

He's a much better footballer than these guys...

17 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I don't think Tyson is the answer to getting him.  Dom is a Vic boy who is still under contract, not sure he wants to leave and play on the Gold Coast and he has the right of refusal I believe (the Ryan Ferguson rule).

A long term deal could convince Dom. I'm not sure spending another year on the wing or in the 2's helps him secure that at Melbourne. That said, the Suns have quite a few inside mids they want to play along with kids, so they might not be keen on him either.

Not keen at all. May have shown some early promise but, from the games I saw, lacks footy nous.

21 minutes ago, dieter said:

I've become wary of importing fringe players from other clubs, the likes of Bugg, Mitchie, Newton, Sellars, the 2 Geelong duds Neeld served up, Rodan, dare I say it, Tyson.

When I think back not many of our imports have fired a shot. Vince was an exception, Lewis and Cross, come to mind, Bizzel was fantastic, Vardy was great but mostly injured - he was like Clark from Essendon in the early 90's, like Owen, played some great games until injury struck em - I don't want to revisit the Clarke, Heratier catastrophes, and the list of dudes who have simply not either not fired a shot but were content to coast - the mighty Byron - Heffenan etc etc

Then there was Dawes who busted his heart but battled injuries and an inability to hold a mark. 

My policy is go for a gun. If the gun doesn't fire, well that's bad luck Templeton comes to mind, Oi Weh, come to think of it...

But then again, there was Wilson, Moore, Laurie Fowler, Icke, Rohde.

Surprised Cats would not be showing interest.

Could Hunt come into play here?

1 minute ago, Jones said:

Could Hunt come into play here?

The biggest knock on Hunt is his foot skills, you want your outside mid to kick efficiency into the forward 50, Hunt isn’t that player currently.

Get McCartney and the doctors to look at him, hell even have Brayshaw talk to him. He's been wearing a helmet but he's still getting head knocks shows something is wrong with his attack on the footy or that his head just can't take it. Either way he will be cheap and worth a punt. He could fix his issues and be a long term player for us. He will def have something to prove. 

Look at his stats. Very much like Salem when he's across half back. He loves to kick and run.

5 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

 

Look at his stats. Very much like Salem when he's across half back. He loves to kick and run.

KK could be the successor to Michael Hibberd, who turns 29 in January.

I may be in the minority on here but I don't really rate Jayden Hunt.

 

Edited September 27, 20186 yr by Petraccattack

3 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

KK could be the successor to Michael Hibberd, who turns 29 in January.

I may be in the minority on here but I don't really rate Jayden Hunt.

 

Eh i rate Hunt. I don't think he is going to be as good as we hoped, but he can play if he gets fit and his head right. Otherwise he will end up like Wattsy

Rate him!

May + Kolo for pick 10 (should the Hogan trade eventuate)

28 minutes ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

The biggest knock on Hunt is his foot skills, you want your outside mid to kick efficiency into the forward 50, Hunt isn’t that player currently.

I think he was asking if Hunt could come into play as a trade option for KK

58 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

We are ok for picks and vacancies - 6 of each excluding Kent trade.  Assuming we get a pick for him and then have 7 picks for 7 vacancies (or if we get a player (unlikely) it will still be 6 for 6). 

But the last two picks are 84 and 106, picks that aren't generally taken tp the draft.  But we can use them to upgrade two of our Rookies (eg Keilty, Maynard or T Smith). 

If we do those upgrades we have a reasonable draft hand with 5 picks (32, 43, 46, 56 + Kent pick), and 5 vacancies.

So no problems at this stage.

Yes and we have been running the max 40 on the main list and 4 on the rookie list.  We could go to the minimum 38 on the main list and 4 on the rookie list (AFAIK there's no minimum number of rookies).

Paticularly since we have 2 Cat B rookies in Bradtke and Walker. We'd still be running 44 players and realistically only about 30 will be ready to play anyway. 

Some may say more is always better but I think there's a limit to the amount of players the FD can effectively service and develop.

1 hour ago, Winter Dan said:

Think we are going to try and turn next years 1st round pick into a handful of later picks this draft.

Bit hard to explain how we will fill all the vacancies otherwise.

We can't do this at this stage. Under the rules we have to use our first round pick next season. We have to use a first rounder or it might be 2 first rounders in a 4 year period. We've given ours away the past 3 years so have to use it next year. 

At this stage I'm not sure what they are going to do. We have 6 delistings or transfers from the main list so far and that doesn't include Hogan & possibly Tyson. We only have 4 picks. I believe we have to use a minimum of 4 draft picks a year. Possibly we'll upgrade T Smith & I guess Keilty although that would be a surprise. We could do that with the really late picks that would otherwise be junk picks. But it doesn't leave us with anything to trade with as well as go to the draft. Looks like we'll have to do some horse trading for picks. 

 

For what it is worth, I'm firmly on the side of getting him.

Yes, a little bit of risk but he very much fits into our list needs. Would not be crazy expensive in trade terms, and we can't just have seven teenagers come in all at once.