Farewell Jesse Hogan

[Lucifers Hero 39,779]

8 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Perhaps this is why Bell is holding out for more from Brisbane for Neale. He thinks he can get Lobb and Hogan in AND hold on to pick 11. 

That would be a huge win for them. 

Ah ha!

Effectively gets Lobb and Hogan for Neale and a 1st round downgrade (5 to 11) +/- stuff. 

We cannot blink! 

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

JM and MFC should have no issue with keeping hogan for next year. His value will go up as I’d expect him to play a full season and kick 60+ goals. Hogan is a professional and us exploring options which is within his rights to do

Yeah I’m not sure that we do really want to keep Hogan on the list. Gut feel but I reckon the club is over the distraction of this bloke not fully committing to the MFC and would prefer to bite the bullet and accept slight unders than have this circus go in for another year. 

We get May in, recruit a promising kid with pick 23 and move on with with clear air. I could see why the MFC might choose this option.

I’m also on record as stating that I don’t think Jesse will become the star others peg him as. So I won’t be that disappointed personally.

[Jaded No More 68,915]

With West Coast winning yet another flag, the Freo being a massive letdown yet again, the pressure on Freo to perform is enormous. Kennedy is on last legs, and Nic Nat is injury prone. If Freo don't jump at this now, West Coast will steal their thunder next year. If I'm Jesse I know which team I rather play for in Perth.

Freo need this, and they need this now. They can't continue to be a pathetic laughing joke. Lyon's job is on the line. They'll cave, unless of course Hogan's foot is a big worry.

[Willmoy1947 4,086]

18 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wow. Big statement there...

My patience and my scruples are telling me different things there.....

[CBDees 3,167]

Will 5 get us May + KK or do we need to end up with steak knives out of any deal to ensure we get KK (especially as a replacement for Hunt if he is traded)?

[godees 863]

Pick 5 and 11 for Hogan and pick 36

Freo then send 23 and 36 to GWS for Lobb 

[beelzebub 23,370]

21 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wow. Big statement there...

It's fair enough to suggest not everyone sees the same thing.

I too think in the overall scheme of things he's more hindrance than help in our quest for a flag.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, godees said:

Pick 5 and 11 for Hogan and pick 36

Freo then send 23 and 36 to GWS for Lobb 

That's the sensible deal.

Unfortunately, Freo have zero sensibility at the moment.

[buck_nekkid 5,858]

So, JM said:

Jesse wanted to explore options

He is happy to stay if a deal can’t get done

Freo know the price

May deal doesn’t happen if the Jesse deal doesn’t go through

Freo are not offering anything that would help Melb, so no deal.

 

[BrisbaneDemon 1,572]

3 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

So, JM said:

Jesse wanted to explore options

He is happy to stay if a deal can’t get done

Freo know the price

May deal doesn’t happen if the Jesse deal doesn’t go through

Freo are not offering anything that would help Melb, so no deal.

 

Keep it up JM!!!

[Sydee 4,433]

We should not be entertaining any sort of trade for Jayden Hunt I still have faith that he can become a valuable contributor particularly with the now confirmed rule changes which will increase the speed of the game again 

We don't need to panic or give away one of our best footballers to the Shockers and make them semi-competitive all to achieve the addition of yet another key back who in my opinion whilst useful is no superstar and if anything undersized height wise to take on the really big forwards who are the ones that hurt us most (Brown etc.)

The sensible thing to do is set a very clear expectation with Freo and Bell about what is acceptable for us to proceed with this (picks / player/s and time frame) then stick to it - if they don't give us what we need simply close the door and do not discuss it further 

I'm happy to keep JH I would like to see him trialed at CHB next year if it doesn't make sense to play 3 tall fwds - I would like him to spend another year living in Melbourne and gaining a greater affinity with the city his team mates and all things to do with MFC. Who knows he may decide he would like a long term contract next year with us -in short I don't see any real downside with this outcome 

Edited October 12, 2018 by Sydee

[KysaiahMessiah 725]

27 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

5 does not get Adelaide Lukosius or Rankine. Doubt they’d do it.

There is also Rozee to consider

[Adam The God 30,249]

I know a few people have alluded to it already, but I think Mahoney tying May to the Hogan deal at all was really poor strategy. It doesn't matter if he meant we wouldn't have the cash or the picks to get May if the Hogan trade didn't go through. That's not the argument here, but mentioning May at all in trade discussions RE Hogan was poor strategy.

I'm on record has being a huge FD and Mahoney fan. I think what they've been able to do over the past 4 or 5 off seasons has been terrific, but this was foolish messaging that has given the little Fremantle man unnecessary leverage that he wouldn't have otherwise had.

Edited October 12, 2018 by A F

[DV8 2,271]

4 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Surf on Gold Coast pretty good - warm water all year round.

And less White-Pointers poking out.  They're mostly tanned, all year round.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,215]

4 minutes ago, A F said:

I know a few people have alluded to it already but I think Mahoney tying May to the Hogan deal at all was really poor strategy. It doesn't matter if he meant we wouldn't have the cash or the picks to get May if the Hogan trade didn't go through. That's not the argument here but mentioning May at all in trade discussions RE Hogan was poor strategy.

I'm on record has being a huge FD and Mahoney fan. I think what they've been able to do over the past 4 or 5 off seasons has been terrific, but this was foolish messaging that has given the little Fremantle man unnecessary leverage that he wouldn't otherwise had.

I don't think so because it puts the heat on them to come up with a deal that will give us a sufficient pick (top 5 pick) to get May. Otherwise we keep Hogan because trading him out for anything less doesn't get us May so why would we do it?

We should be pushing for 2 first rounders in my mind but if the FD have other ideas (ie willing to accept a top 5 pick and an early 2nd rounder) then the ball is in Freo's court to give us a suitable deal or they don't get Hogan.

[Sir Why You Little 37,035]

17 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

It's fair enough to suggest not everyone sees the same thing.

I too think in the overall scheme of things he's more hindrance than help in our quest for a flag.

Yes i know what you think. You have written cryptic essays on every page. 

You are prepared to sell an asset cheap, i am not. 

[demoniac 1,333]

6 minutes ago, A F said:

I know a few people have alluded to it already but I think Mahoney tying May to the Hogan deal at all was really poor strategy. It doesn't matter if he meant we wouldn't have the cash or the picks to get May if the Hogan trade didn't go through. That's not the argument here but mentioning May at all in trade discussions RE Hogan was poor strategy.

I'm on record has being a huge FD and Mahoney fan. I think what they've been able to do over the past 4 or 5 off seasons has been terrific, but this was foolish messaging that has given the little Fremantle man unnecessary leverage that he wouldn't otherwise had.

It was a fairly obvious deduction, a known known if you like. GC know the pick they'll get for May in free agency next year and want close to that if they release him this year. Only way we can do that is with a Hogan trade producing Pick 5.

[DTJ 95]

21 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

It's fair enough to suggest not everyone sees the same thing.

I too think in the overall scheme of things he's more hindrance than help in our quest for a flag.

True or not (not) it doesn't make him worth less to Freo.

[Undeeterred 3,123]

1 hour ago, EnterTheDragon said:

There is method to Bell’s seeming madness. His endgame as drdrake mentioned a few posts back us to get both Hogan and Lobb in the door. Freo have close to the worst forward set up in the competition at present and these two coming in will get the Freo fans very excited. This is the real “feather in cap” Bell wants to exit trade week with, not Lachie Neale. The tough talk about keeping Neale is just bluster. 

The lowball pick 11 and 23 offer for Hogan may have seemed pointless but the tactic there is to frustrate Melbourne and also waste our time, with the aim of softening us up to accept pick 5 & 23 at the death in the final day of trade week. Bell knows we would MUCH prefer picks 5 & 11 for Hogan but he needs to retain pick 11 to secure Lobb from GWS. So he is banking on us growing impatient, getting worried by Wednesday that the whole thing is going to fall through, and just signing off on the 5 & 23 deal. 

As soon as the Neale domino falls Mahoney is going to be faced with a reasonably hard call to make. Accept 5 & 23 for Hogan or reject it and make Jesse play out the final year of his contract. Not sure what I would do personally, it’s a tough one. 

Bell is banking on us tiring of the whole Hogan saga and just being happy to move on, get our man May in with pick 5 going out to Gold Coast, and sucking up the fact that we’ve received unders for a forward we - to be honest - haven’t made a huge effort to retain.

Pugnacious, annoying little [censored] Peter Bell. But he’s no dill.

On the other hand we could completely ruin his life by holding on to Hogan and giving Simmo a call over at the Eagles about a deal for Jesse next year! But would that be in our interests? They will probably have a lot less to offer us than pick 5 & 23. 

I think Freo might have us snookered here.

After all that bluster, posting how strong a position we are in on every single page of the thread, and having the gall to call me jelly-kneed when I proposed pragmatism early on.

Lol at you, my friend.

[beelzebub 23,370]

I wonder if people actually understand how markets work.

[John Demonic 5,795]

Is there a way for us to get Brisbane's #5 AND 2019 first round pick (5-8) so Freo can send them neale, and we can then send Hogan? Which player and pick could we send to Brisbane? I'd much rather us take a pick 5 into the draft AND get Steven May. The goalposts don't have to shift from our initial request of pick 5 & 6. Especially not to 5+23+30 pick etc

Edited October 12, 2018 by johndemonic

[SFebes 4,884]

15 minutes ago, A F said:

I know a few people have alluded to it already but I think Mahoney tying May to the Hogan deal at all was really poor strategy. It doesn't matter if he meant we wouldn't have the cash or the picks to get May if the Hogan trade didn't go through. That's not the argument here but mentioning May at all in trade discussions RE Hogan was poor strategy.

I'm on record has being a huge FD and Mahoney fan. I think what they've been able to do over the past 4 or 5 off seasons has been terrific, but this was foolish messaging that has given the little Fremantle man unnecessary leverage that he wouldn't otherwise had.

I'm with you. Even today, he should have come out and said "we are now looking at ways to get May and keep Hogan." Not his best effort and Freo are using it against us as they know we need to trade JH.

Edited October 12, 2018 by SFebes

[Dr.D 1,771]

steven may is a gun though and will go to a whole new level at a new club that is actually competitive. we may only get 3 or 4 seasons out of him though so don't overspend. 

[Undeeterred 3,123]

12 minutes ago, A F said:

I know a few people have alluded to it already, but I think Mahoney tying May to the Hogan deal at all was really poor strategy. It doesn't matter if he meant we wouldn't have the cash or the picks to get May if the Hogan trade didn't go through. That's not the argument here, but mentioning May at all in trade discussions RE Hogan was poor strategy.

I'm on record has being a huge FD and Mahoney fan. I think what they've been able to do over the past 4 or 5 off seasons has been terrific, but this was foolish messaging that has given the little Fremantle man unnecessary leverage that he wouldn't have otherwise had.

Tend to agree, equally we're putting May in the position where he can't publicly state his intentions in the same way as Hogan isn't, so we're kind of giving him cover to wait it out without being under pressure to go public, and also saving face if it all falls through.

[SFebes 4,884]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

I wonder if people actually understand how markets work.

Buy high sell low