2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

can't agree with this assessment, bub.

as for getting these "same ridiculous offers", that is the point i made. if we get the good offers then fine, so far i'm seeing a lot of noise indicating offers that don't make us demonstrably better. as for next year, weagles bound to be in it big time. plus a lot can change in 12 months

i don't want to see a hogan for may plus small change. we would be worse off imo

no fire sale, hogan stays

This week is like an auction... officially the house isn't on the market yet. It only ever gets  serious when the hammer is about to hit for the third time.

It hasn't even got interesting yet.

In my mind the loss of Hogan would cut any realistic chance of a Premiership in 2019. 

Please stay Jesse.

15 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Does one of Oscar or frost potentially play forward if Tom goes down? Perhaps we have our eyes on someone. 

They have already tried Frosty forward a few times. Dont know if his accuracy is a strong point.

44 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

That's all well and good, but it also proves the point that even the best sides don't have a gun replacement hanging around in the twos in case of an injury.  So if Hogan goes, we're still lucky enough to have T Mac and Weideman to play as our tall forwards.  We will be just like any other side.

I'd prefer to keep our advantage we have up fwd rather than be like other teams

4 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

In my mind the loss of Hogan would cut any realistic chance of a Premiership in 2019. 

Please stay Jesse.

I actually disagree. We can cover the front yard. The engine rooms getting an upgrade. We need our backyard in order. It isn't yet.

We got screwed in the prelim,not because we couldn't kick goals , so much as we couldn't stop them from doing so.

Hogan isnt that difference in our game.

I obviously have a very different take on things than most. That's fine by me.

Pruess is a speculative pick. played 8 games for 5 goals and is apparently slow even for a big man.

hopefully he can come on but we should not be banking on it

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I actually disagree. We can cover the front yard. The engine rooms getting an upgrade. We need our backyard in order. It isn't yet.

We got screwed in the prelim,not because we couldn't kick goals , so much as we couldn't stop them from doing so.

Hogan isnt that difference in our game.

I obviously have a very different take on things than most. That's fine by me.

He's a troll, haven't you worked that out yet.

6 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I actually disagree. We can cover the front yard. The engine rooms getting an upgrade. We need our backyard in order. It isn't yet.

We got screwed in the prelim,not because we couldn't kick goals , so much as we couldn't stop them from doing so.

Hogan isnt that difference in our game.

I obviously have a very different take on things than most. That's fine by me.

we didnt kick one goal in the first half!  and the entire team played terribly. arguably the midfield was the worst on the day and cost us the most goals.

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

I'd prefer to keep our advantage we have up fwd rather than be like other teams

So would I, Dub, but the point I'm trying to make is that it's not the end of the world in terms of our depth if he chooses to leave.  I'd much, much, MUCH, rather he stay, but we're covered in case a McDonald or Weideman goes down with our ability to swing someone forward (Frost), potentially play a resting ruck there more (Preuss/Gawn) or go through some of our mid sized forwards (Melksham, Petracca, Fritsch, Hannan).

14 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

In my mind the loss of Hogan would cut any realistic chance of a Premiership in 2019. 

Please stay Jesse.

that's why the trade must be result in a demonstrable improvement for the side, or it's off for 12 months

Our weaknesses and greatest areas of risk are pretty obvious, it was laid bare this year on more than 1 occasion. 

1. Minding the big forwards. Brown, Hawkins, Cox, Kennedy and Riewoldt all got hold of us this year, in fact most of them get hold of us every year (++ Franklin and Daniher has threatened too). May helps here 
2. Resting Max. We ran him into the ground this year. We need to find 3 - 4 games where we can rest the big fella and a few more where we play 2 legitimate ruckman. Teams with 2 ruckman really work the big man over.  Preuss helps here.
3. Outside run, carry and precision. Lots of bulls in the middle but not enough spread or precision navigating our way through defensive setups. Evidenced by lots of ineffective inside 50s and to a lesser extent back half turnovers. I'm certain the club have a plan to resolve but it's not been obvious to me so far. 

I am not advocating strongly to trade Jesse, I am happy for him to stay, but, to my mind the only way Jesse can help us improve on  those deficiencies is by being traded out. 

 

 

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by Dee*ceiving

They may be putting pressure on Jesse to extend his contract, and if not leave now so we can set ourselves with what we need to challenge for the premiership.

Its now or never.

8 minutes ago, DubDee said:

we didnt kick one goal in the first half!  and the entire team played terribly. arguably the midfield was the worst on the day and cost us the most goals.

Bit hard to kick a goal when they're too busy with it . 

I'm excited by our list turn-over. But the greater number of available spots the greater the contingencies and potential for compromise. 

I'm now concerned that with Freo likely having a closer eye toward the draft than us, they could deliberately bog us down in negotiations. 

 

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

So would I, Dub, but the point I'm trying to make is that it's not the end of the world in terms of our depth if he chooses to leave.  I'd much, much, MUCH, rather he stay, but we're covered in case a McDonald or Weideman goes down with our ability to swing someone forward (Frost), potentially play a resting ruck there more (Preuss/Gawn) or go through some of our mid sized forwards (Melksham, Petracca, Fritsch, Hannan).

fair enough.  

I agree with all that - aside from trying Frost fwd again!  ?

not the end of the world in terms of our depth, but it is significant in terms of our high end talent

1 minute ago, Skuit said:

I'm now concerned that with Freo likely having a closer eye toward the draft than us, they could deliberately bog us down in negotiations. 

 

Exactly my thinking as well skuit. Freo could stuff us around for the entirety of trade week then at the last minute relent, stopping us from bringing in the players we'd need to cover the loss of Jesse and balance of the team.

We need to give them a firm deadline to meet, otherwise deal is off. period.

Absolutely. A deadline to make their best possible offer and then that's it. Worst case he stays and then we can accept whatever scrud they offer next year.

Actually no, worst case is we lose him for nothing, but let's just pretend for now!

Hogan photographed at Dockers facilities.

Tim Gossage reporting Jesse toured Fremantle facilities today.........

Edited October 4, 20186 yr by SFebes

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6 minutes ago, Soidee said:

Hogan photographed at Dockers facilities.

About time....

Hmmm.... Things have ramped up a little bit now.

It is really unfortunate that Hogan looks like leaving the MFC, there may be good reasons, however this is sheet!!  We have a potential superstar and he is 23. So so disappointing.

I heard he was there to tell them he was knocking back their offer because he's, you know, a good bloke.... 

#deluded

I know this has been on the cards. But it makes me sad.