Farewell Jesse Hogan

[djr 1,320]

I would only be interested if the Dockers actually approached the club with an offer. I would only be interested if that offer was their first round pick and one of their players eg Langdon or possibly Andrew Brayshaw ( I know he has re-signed, but we might give them back a pick). I would then use that first round pick to try and pick up a quality mid like Gaff or Shiels

[DV8 2,271]

3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Current value as a KPF who has suffered a season-ending navicular injury?

Just think about the perception of that in the marketplace: suffers navicular injury, then quickly put up for trade...

I think his value on the market has never been lower. Most clubs would be wary of offering too much.

This is the obvious, M5.   The injury occurred/was diagnosed, after the discussion started.

It obviously should change things, and move the discussion to the back burner.  Which then comes back next year, his contract year.

 

Possible players of interest ?  >>>

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/to-fremantle-dockers

 

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/to-west-coast-eagles

 

Lachie Neale is a restricted free agent in 2019_  for just one.

[Mach5 4,656]

25 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Yes, but his stints through the middle freed him up and helped out other mids. I am not saying he is going to not be allowed in the forward 50 - just that he should go through the middle more - he can do it.

 

I think some underestimate the advantage gained in mismatches created by moving a player between a KPF role and a midfield role. Forcing the opposition to make changes on the fly is where you create opportunities.

[Wells 11 5,269]

Im not sure if Im for it or against. Depends what his long term intentions are. ie will he choose to stay if Kennedy cant get fit and  finishes up for example. Or he gets a monster offer from Freo.  But its HIGHLY unlikely we will get to hang on to Wiedeman much longer if he isnt getting a game. So...perhaps its going to have to be a choice. Would suck to lose both of them in the next few years.  Im not yet quite a Weid believer but for those that are...this has to be a part of the conversation. Lets see how weid goes in this next chapter ...of how ever many weeks. If he kicks 4 in a winning grand final the answer might  be clearer ? 

[DV8 2,271]

37 minutes ago, Mondê said:

He does, what has happened to his contested marking though? Remember in 2016 when he tore that Anzac Day Eve game apart? He was clunking everything.

He's the same player, but he needs the ball put out in front of him, to run at.

 

23 minutes ago, dieter said:

I fail to understand why there are people who want to trade a player who has already played some great football for the Melbourne Football Club, who, barring injury, will most likely become the number one forward in the game.

How many first picks do we really need? Why not settle on making what we have now really competitive and eventually great? We don't need another dose of waiting for Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Watts or Scully or Trengrove etc to come good.

Make the best of what we have now...

2 first Rnd picks doesn't mean 2 kids.

It might turn into a Josh Kelly, or a Whitfield and Shiel.

Maybe a Lachie Neale +,,, at end of 2018?

 

The point is, its worthy of a discussion.   And no disrespect at all, to Jesse.

[Tricky 341]

15 hours ago, rpfc said:

This is driving me nuts; I have bitten my proverbial tongue but...

Three dots in a row is an 'ellipsis' and it is used to replace superfluous text and I use it as a way of leading the reader to a 'open question' or statement.

But three commas in a row is not anything. It is usually followed by the 'sticky keys' popup that comes up wondering whether you need help easing use of the keyboard and avoid injuries.

,,,

Just no.

 

8 minutes ago, DV8 said:

He's the same player, but he needs the ball put out in front of him, to run at.

 

2 first Rnd picks doesn't mean 2 kids.

It might turn into a Josh Kelly, or a Whitfield and Shiel.

Maybe a Lachie Neale +,,, at end of 2018?

 

The point is, its worthy of a discussion.   And no disrespect at all, to Jesse.

Whoops

[Neil Crompton 5,312]

IMHO there is so much wrong with the proposal to "sell Jessie".

Why would you discard a player who opposition coaches think so highly of they always double team against him? And that's despite the fact that we crucify Jessie every time we bomb it in long. He is not a pack mark but he is fast and if we lowered our eyes and learnt to hit our targets he'd get more confidence in leading. Buddy is not a pack mark either - in fact he would have dropped more marks than Clarry has had handballs - but the swans are always lowering their eyes to his leads.

Why would you throw away an established key forward who is your leading goal kicker, and near top goal assist player, for a first round pick that may or may not pay off a couple of years down the track? Does not make any sense.

We are now on the threshold of becoming a great team (for many years i believe) and that is being built around the young talent we have, so why would you break up that talent? Jessie was the first  of this young group and the key man around who we built our talent pool. The team culture we have built to date with this lot would be destroyed if we were to sell Jessie.

Weiderman may or may not become a good player. Jessie is a very good player now. Do we need another mid so badly that we'd take this risk? I don't think so! Our mids are good and will only get better, as will Jessie as we mature as a team and feed him properly. 

Sell Jessie? FFS give me a break!  

 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Those asking to trade Jesse better not be the ones in the next few years who get stuck in to a player for lack of loyalty if they don't sign a contract.  

We can't be so blase in just wanting to ship a player off and then cry foul when another doesn't want to sign.  It works both ways.

[Dee tention 611]

Jesse, Weid and TMac can all play in the same forward line. 

Jesse CHF, Weid FF, TMac FP or rotate off the bench.

I think Jesse can even push to a wing and roam the centre square. He doesn’t have to be a main goal kicker. 

Our forward line against the Eagles worked very well...

A Big NO to trading Jesse!

Unless he wants to head west!

[beelzebub 23,200]

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Those asking to trade Jesse better not be the ones in the next few years who get stuck in to a player for lack of loyalty if they don't sign a contract.  

We can't be so blase in just wanting to ship a player off and then cry foul when another doesn't want to sign.  It works both ways.

It's a business. Get used to it.

My concern ... and interest is winning... Winning a flag. Having a competitive team. I really couldn't care less who's in it. It's actually irrelevant ( to me ) . It's about a team.

[Smokey 4,357]

1 hour ago, dieter said:

I fail to understand why there are people who want to trade a player who has already played some great football for the Melbourne Football Club, who, barring injury, will most likely become the number one forward in the game.

How many first picks do we really need? Why not settle on making what we have now really competitive and eventually great? We don't need another dose of waiting for Jimmy Toumpas, Jack Watts or Scully or Trengrove etc to come good.

Make the best of what we have now...

We don't necessarily need the picks - but first round picks are great currency to trade into getting the finishing touches we actually need in other parts of the ground, i.e an established, classy outside mid. 

And that's my point - if the Weed is deemed suitable to be our #1 target up forward at the end of the season, then why not at least consider trading Hogan for picks, and then trading those picks to fill gaps elsewhere? It's all just food for thought at the moment, I'm certainly not in the "we must trade hogan" camp, but if there's a chance trading him will put us in a net better position then I'd certainly give it thought.

Let's see if the Weed shows signs he can be that guy first though. Then the convo is worth actually having. 

[jnrmac 19,905]

1 hour ago, Mondê said:

His contest marking since he entered the league

2015 - 47 (21 games)
2016 - 43 (20 games)
2017 - 10 (10 games)
2018 - 24 (20 games)

That is a pretty alarming drop off if you ask me.

 

Context though. Ignore last year.

He is playing a different game now and we have TMac up fwd. If you look at Melbourne's contested marks inthe fwd line I would hazard a guess they are miles above the past few years.

Variation and unpredictability about our fwd line are possibly more valuable than a stay at home forward.

[loges 6,767]

1 hour ago, Neil Crompton said:

IMHO there is so much wrong with the proposal to "sell Jessie".

Why would you discard a player who opposition coaches think so highly of they always double team against him? And that's despite the fact that we crucify Jessie every time we bomb it in long. He is not a pack mark but he is fast and if we lowered our eyes and learnt to hit our targets he'd get more confidence in leading. Buddy is not a pack mark either - in fact he would have dropped more marks than Clarry has had handballs - but the swans are always lowering their eyes to his leads.

Why would you throw away an established key forward who is your leading goal kicker, and near top goal assist player, for a first round pick that may or may not pay off a couple of years down the track? Does not make any sense.

We are now on the threshold of becoming a great team (for many years i believe) and that is being built around the young talent we have, so why would you break up that talent? Jessie was the first  of this young group and the key man around who we built our talent pool. The team culture we have built to date with this lot would be destroyed if we were to sell Jessie.

Weiderman may or may not become a good player. Jessie is a very good player now. Do we need another mid so badly that we'd take this risk? I don't think so! Our mids are good and will only get better, as will Jessie as we mature as a team and feed him properly. 

Sell Jessie? FFS give me a break!  

 

Good key position players are hard to come by. Why do you think Richmond are chasing Lynch? Above average key forwards even harder.

[Deemania since 56 6,562]

On 8/13/2018 at 8:32 PM, Jaded said:

Would love Jonathan Brown to do some coaching with him in the off season. 

That would be an excellent outcome. Confidence-boosting, as well. Now for the kicking technique and kicking for distance beyond 35 metres...

[Deemania since 56 6,562]

52 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Variation and unpredictability about our fwd line are possibly more valuable than a stay at home forward.

Good observation!

[sisso 2,555]

Can we trade all the "supporters" who constantly bag him throughout games where I sit at the G instead?

[RedBlueandTrue 359]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Context though. Ignore last year.

He is playing a different game now and we have TMac up fwd. If you look at Melbourne's contested marks inthe fwd line I would hazard a guess they are miles above the past few years.

Variation and unpredictability about our fwd line are possibly more valuable than a stay at home forward.

not to mention his first two years he didn't necessarily have 2-3 defenders going up with him to every contest! They know they have to put their best on him now.

[Tricky 341]

55 minutes ago, sisso said:

Can we trade all the "supporters" who constantly bag him throughout games where I sit at the G instead?

That's poor form.

Where do you sit?

[Ethan Tremblay 30,120]

Jesse Hogan will consider his future at some stage. #ETthetradewhisperer.

Edited August 23, 2018 by Ethan Tremblay

[Redleg 40,226]

I would not want to lose Jesse, but if he indicated he wanted to go home and with FA approaching, I would ask for Freo's first pick and Cerra and Brayshaw or something similar and tell them do that deal or we will trade him to the Eagles.

We could then take a key forward with that pick and hope he comes up.

 

[sisso 2,555]

43 minutes ago, Tricky said:

That's poor form.

Where do you sit?

Premium supporters area (level 2 southern) sometimes my headphones just dont go up loud enough

[Tricky 341]

I sit there too - haven't noticed to be honest but not all that surprised, all clubs have 'em. 

[jnrmac 19,905]

He's coming 4th in the D'Land player of the Year and people want to trade him??? Pffft Muppets

Edited August 23, 2018 by jnrmac

[What 18,810]

23 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

He's coming 4th in the D'Land player of the Year and people want to trade him??? Pffft Muppets

It really is ridiculous.

I know stats arent everything, but his 2018 numbers are almost identical to David Schwarzs phenomenal 1994 season.  Unfortunately Jesse wont get the chance this year to tear the finals apart like The Ox did, but he will get plenty of chances in the future.

Its bloody hard to find a gun 195cm, 100 kg forward ... and hes still only 23!

Talk of trading him is absurd.

 

[beelzebub 23,200]

26 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

He's coming 4th in the D'Land player of the Year and people want to trade him??? Pffft Muppets

Where were Judd...and Buddy ??

Its horses for courses etc