Neeld asked Wines who would you take if  you were us  and Wines said toumpas

Yes folks it is that sad! 

Edited June 5, 20186 yr by Bigred

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:19, Bigred said:

Neeld asked Wines who would you take if  you were us  and Wines said toumpas

Yes folks it is that sad! 

No! Surely that's folklore...

  On 05/06/2018 at 02:17, Petraccattack said:

If we get Wines we are going 25-0 next season.   This is not hyperbole.

We would have quite literally the greatest midfield ever assembled. 

Melbourne had a chance to pick him up the same year that Viney was picked at 26 in the father and son selection in 2012. Viney and Wines friends from a young age playing junior footy. However as it turned out Toumpas got through  at 4  in Melbourne's selection  and  picked him up instead.  Wines went at no. 7. to Port. I somehow think that he won't pick us if he wanted to leave Port. It's just a hunch. He would be more than handy if we acquired him but I think at the time the grapevine had him going to Melbourne. You would have to ask Todd Viney why we didn't pick him up.

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:32, nosoupforme said:

Melbourne had a chance to pick him up the same year that Viney was picked at 26 in the father and son selection in 2012. Viney and Wines friends from a young age playing junior footy. However as it turned out Toumpas got through  at 4  in Melbourne's selection  and  picked him up instead.  Wines went at no. 7. to Port. I somehow think that he won't pick us if he wanted to leave Port. It's just a hunch. He would be more than handy if we acquired him but I think at the time the grapevine had him going to Melbourne. You would have to ask Todd Viney why we didn't pick him up.

If Todd Viney knows why I would love for him to elucidate us if for no other reason to help us all avoid unnecessarily wasting time on baseless speculation 

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:19, Bigred said:

Neeld asked Wines who would you take if  you were us  and Wines said toumpas

Yes folks it is that sad! 

Haven’t heard that, but I was listening to SEN when they asked Jack Viney who he’d take and he said Jimmy Toumpas.

Oh well, we take Wines and he drags us over the line in a few of the close games in 2014 and 15.  This pushes us up the draft order and we miss out on Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.  Essendon won’t accept a later second round pick for Melksham and Hibberd and tell us to take a hike.  Another club pounces on ANB and O’Mac and Tom McDonald leaves the Dees to play alongside his brother.  Hogan doesn’t want to play in a forward line without any support so he departs and Lewis doesn’t sign onto a club that doesn’t even have a key forward.

 

Passing on Wines was the best thing we’ve ever done.

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:50, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Haven’t heard that, but I was listening to SEN when they asked Jack Viney who he’d take and he said Jimmy Toumpas.

Oh well, we take Wines and he drags us over the line in a few of the close games in 2014 and 15.  This pushes us up the draft order and we miss out on Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.  Essendon won’t accept a later second round pick for Melksham and Hibberd and tell us to take a hike.  Another club pounces on ANB and O’Mac and Tom McDonald leaves the Dees to play alongside his brother.  Hogan doesn’t want to play in a forward line without any support so he departs and Lewis doesn’t sign onto a club that doesn’t even have a key forward.

 

Passing on Wines was the best thing we’ve ever done.

Not a bad argument. Certainly makes us all feel better!

 

  On 05/06/2018 at 08:41, Moonshadow said:

Hmmmm ...  Cale Hooker you reckon?

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:00, demonstone said:

Hmmmm ...  Cale Hooker you reckon?

Could possibly be Steele Sidebottom too? ?

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:50, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Haven’t heard that, but I was listening to SEN when they asked Jack Viney who he’d take and he said Jimmy Toumpas.

Oh well, we take Wines and he drags us over the line in a few of the close games in 2014 and 15.  This pushes us up the draft order and we miss out on Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.  Essendon won’t accept a later second round pick for Melksham and Hibberd and tell us to take a hike.  Another club pounces on ANB and O’Mac and Tom McDonald leaves the Dees to play alongside his brother.  Hogan doesn’t want to play in a forward line without any support so he departs and Lewis doesn’t sign onto a club that doesn’t even have a key forward.

 

Passing on Wines was the best thing we’ve ever done.

For real?  And if so, how far back was this?  

Go on to the BF Port forum.

Some don't overly care if he goes, as his kicking isn't up to scratch.

But, like others, Gaff is the one we need.

On AW tonight apparently we're also into Ed Langdon, along with a couple of other clubs.

Edited June 5, 20186 yr by ProDee

  On 05/06/2018 at 02:24, Sir Why You Little said:

SIGN HERE....

Jack and Ollie

[censored] you Neeld...

For all the grief that we have suffered under Neeld, I don't think it fair to blame him for this selection.

And I have also wondered, and I think said on these forums what TPF39 has said below (though maybe not being quite so enthusiastic as his last sentence.

Trac, Brashaw, Oliver  >> Wines alone.

 

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:50, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Haven’t heard that, but I was listening to SEN when they asked Jack Viney who he’d take and he said Jimmy Toumpas.

Oh well, we take Wines and he drags us over the line in a few of the close games in 2014 and 15.  This pushes us up the draft order and we miss out on Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.  Essendon won’t accept a later second round pick for Melksham and Hibberd and tell us to take a hike.  Another club pounces on ANB and O’Mac and Tom McDonald leaves the Dees to play alongside his brother.  Hogan doesn’t want to play in a forward line without any support so he departs and Lewis doesn’t sign onto a club that doesn’t even have a key forward.

 

Passing on Wines was the best thing we’ve ever done.

 

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:12, ProDee said:

Go on to the BF Port forum.

Some don't overly care if he goes, as his kicking isn't up to scratch.

But, like others, Gaff is the one we need.

On AW tonight apparently we're also into Collingwood's Ed Langdon, along with a couple of other clubs.

Did that come from the same goose who said we were making a play for Zac Dawson back in the day.. 

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:12, ProDee said:

Go on to the BF Port forum.

Some don't overly care if he goes, as his kicking isn't up to scratch.

But, like others, Gaff is the one we need.

On AW tonight apparently we're also into Collingwood's Ed Langdon, along with a couple of other clubs.

I think it's Freo's Ed Langdon we're after 'ProDee'...

  On 05/06/2018 at 09:50, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Haven’t heard that, but I was listening to SEN when they asked Jack Viney who he’d take and he said Jimmy Toumpas.

Oh well, we take Wines and he drags us over the line in a few of the close games in 2014 and 15.  This pushes us up the draft order and we miss out on Petracca, Brayshaw and Oliver.  Essendon won’t accept a later second round pick for Melksham and Hibberd and tell us to take a hike.  Another club pounces on ANB and O’Mac and Tom McDonald leaves the Dees to play alongside his brother.  Hogan doesn’t want to play in a forward line without any support so he departs and Lewis doesn’t sign onto a club that doesn’t even have a key forward.

 

Passing on Wines was the best thing we’ve ever done.

Agree, a different yesterday leads to a different today and today is looking pretty bloody good

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:04, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

For real?  And if so, how far back was this?  

The week before the draft. 

He based it on skills, leadership and training standards.  We shouldn’t forget that Toumpas was a junior star and was considered a top 2 pick all year, whilst  Wines was a bolter who was projected to be a late first rounder leading into the U18 champs.

Theyre kids, it happens- just ask O’Rourke and Plowman who went at 2 and 3.

 

We should have got Wines over Doupass,however Wines would have cut his wrist playing under Neeld.Doupass was the right (b.s) fit for us. Do we need Wines probably not ,if Hunt and J.Smith hit their straps we might not need a Gaff. Isn't Ginga Ninja quick?

Wines if he leaves can see him end up at bombers, blues or saints will be on big coin 

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:39, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

The week before the draft. 

He based it on skills, leadership and training standards.  We shouldn’t forget that Toumpas was a junior star and was considered a top 2 pick all year, whilst  Wines was a bolter who was projected to be a late first rounder leading into the U18 champs.

Theyre kids, it happens- just ask O’Rourke and Plowman who went at 2 and 3.

 

Ok, makes sense.

As you say, Toumpas looked like a good pickup to me at the time.  Standing up as an under 18 and playing well in a senior SANFL grand final spoke volumes to me that he was made of the right stuff... just went down hill from there.  I guess it's a pretty big jump playing SANFL to AFL and different playing in the best team in the comp to slogging it our trying to make your way in the game with the wooden spooner.

The other reasonable defense for picking up Toumpas over Wines in my mind would be that we already had three on ball bulls in the bag at that point with Jones, Vince and Viney, so some outside polish to complement that also made sense from a ballance perspective.

...Probably also expected Trenners to be a hard run all day inside player for us as well.

  On 05/06/2018 at 11:39, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

...Probably also expected Trenners to be a hard run all day inside player for us as well.

And Dom Barry... basically half the Port Adelaide midfield squad.

Saints would throw $1mil a year at Wines 

We would want Gaff. He has excellent skills and control through the middle.

We would want Gaff. His aerobic run is critical. His run links with the inside mids. 

  On 05/06/2018 at 10:00, demonstone said:

Hmmmm ...  Cale Hooker you reckon?

Duh 

It's clearly Bruce Hookstick

Dean Terlich and Jamar should get it done. 

 

But seriously, not a need. We need more of a Toumpas type ironically enough. 

Gaff or gtfo. 

Edited June 5, 20186 yr by Deestroy All

  On 05/06/2018 at 08:34, DeezNuts said:

IMO Kent, Frost and ANB should be held onto, on their day they’re all unstoppable 

If Wines wanted to move, and we had the opportunity, I would grab him and not Gaff.

No slight on Gaff at all, but Wines in our midfield,,, with Vince, Lewis soon, and Jones soon enough as well, all will have finished by 2021-22.

That would then leave us inside with,  Viney, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard.

... that inside list, looks a LOT better, with Wines added to it.

Viney, Wines, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard.

  On 05/06/2018 at 13:32, DV8 said:

If Wines wanted to move, and we had the opportunity, I would grab him and not Gaff.

No slight on Gaff at all, but Wines in our midfield,,, with Vince, Lewis soon, and Jones soon enough as well, all will have finished by 2021-22.

That would then leave us inside with,  Viney, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard.

... that inside list, looks a LOT better, with Wines added to it.

Viney, Wines, Oli, Petracca, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Maynard.

Future thinker: like it, agree with your longer-term synopsis. Wines would be a gun, but at some point our midfield would negate the availability of KPPs at both ends of the ground.. 

i also agree with your Gaff perspective- with a team currently slicing through the middle,  is it that necessary?