On 22/05/2018 at 03:18, whatwhatsaywhat said:

i tend to agree he's probably bordering on the $1m mark given his form since becoming a forward in order to entice away from the dees

if we can get him for anywhere under an average of $900k over 4-5 years i would have no qualms paying it

dude is a gun

There is no way he is worth a $1m

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:13, Demons11 said:

There is no way he is worth a $1m

I have him at around 4.5  or thereabouts over 5...( Conditions apply etc )

Thats 900 a year. ..

He may end up with more... bonuses etc. I think we need to rethink the bar...as it were. The new player collective together with accompanying Salary Cap provides for .. well...bigger money.

Bit like houses etc...blink and the buying power of your money just decreased.

Then there's market value for players. Other clubs will come hard.

I fully believe Tom ( and Oscar ) have no vision of playing anywhere else...but they aren't nongs. They get one really good shot at a pay-dirt contract... this is Tom's. Everyone knows this.. everyone will adapt.

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:13, Demons11 said:

There is no way he is worth a $1m

to entice away from the dees i reckon he is

he's not going to go somewhere else for the same $$, but throw something that's worth $200k a year - or $1m over 5 - more than what we're offering and he'd have something serious to think about

you gotta give to get, and no doubt he's a massive priority for us

  On 21/05/2018 at 08:42, A F said:

I'd much prefer we're careful with our cap and keep money in the coffers for the likes of Oliver, Brayshaw, Salem and Petracca (midfields win you flags).

Naturally, I'm sure we've looked at our list and positioned our payments in a way to keep Tom, but we may not have envisaged his drastic improvement.

A year ago I would have been happy to let him look elsewhere, but as a forward and wingman he is a star. I wonder if it's a typical MFC moment where a player dominates in a contract year and as soon as it's signed, they start playing lazy footy. We'll see.

If it came down to putting one of our guys on the trade table to keep Tom, it'd be Tyson. I see him on the fringes in the coming 2-3 years, but he would offer a bottom 6 team great value (as he did us in 2014). 

TMac loves the Demons, the side that his brother plays for, the side that turned him into a champion, the side that allowed him to recuperate from injury for a very long time, the side that gave him focus and allows him to speak his mind publicly. It is also the side going places with him contributing to the max to achieve that end. Tom will get a very good offer. He has no love for other teams - he plays for the Dees. He will not be greedy; he is already a successful farmer, I believe. Tom ain't going to go anywhere on re-signing with HIS club. The sooner, the better for him and the Club. Win, Win situation of mutual interdependence. 

As I think others have commented on here...I think to keep McDonald ( given he's  suddenly a sharp shooting,  power forward with a massive tank .... a valuable commodity) may cost us having a crack at Gaff. We may have to develop an outside runner form inside the club

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:55, Wells 11 said:

As I think others have commented on here...I think to keep McDonald ( given he's  suddenly a sharp shooting,  power forward with a massive tank .... a valuable commodity) may cost us having a crack at Gaff. We may have to develop an outside runner form inside the club

I don’t think this is the case, he will get good money but I can guarantee it won’t be at the expense of getting gaff in. 

The club would have factored this in.  They set their budgets years in advance not months. 

Edited May 22, 20186 yr by Demons11

McDonald is a much rarer commodity than Gaff.

While I would love both, you would invest more money and resources into a big KP player who can play forward, back and backup ruck, and kick bags, than an outside mid. 

  On 22/05/2018 at 05:04, Demons11 said:

I don’t think this is the case, he will get good money but I can guarantee it won’t be at the expense of getting gaff in. 

The club would have factored this in.  They set their budgets years in advance not months. 

And that's the point. The long term salary projections for Tom Mac have been thrown up in the air by his movement from a "reasonable backman" to a top 5/10 forward in the space of one season.

Not impossible but it's not as though there is a bottomless pot of money to deal with contingencies. Everything comes at a cost.

An article today about Tom Lynch (Adelaide variety) described Melbourne as being 'cashed up' ie have salary cap space.  This is really no surprise as:  

• The salary cap went up by $2.0m per annum last year.  That is a lot of extra bikkies to spread around. 
• More than half our list would be well below the average AFL contract of about $350K because they are new to AFL football or had considerable time out for injuries.  And a fair few would not be that much higher.  The club would have earmarked the money for these guys when their contracts expire.
• Our 3 players over 30 will free up a fair amount of cap space in a year or two as will players we lose at the end of the year. 

So I can see that we can pay Tom and get an FA.  I am very, very confidant the club has salary cap management well under control. 

I'm not sure why people worry about what $$ we pay Tom, Oscar or anyone else.  The club will strike fair deals with players they want to keep and who want to stay.  That includes Tom and Oscar and hopefully Gus, Nev and a few others out of contract this year...and a future FA.

Edited May 22, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:55, Wells 11 said:

As I think others have commented on here...I think to keep McDonald ( given he's  suddenly a sharp shooting,  power forward with a massive tank .... a valuable commodity) may cost us having a crack at Gaff. We may have to develop an outside runner form inside the club

And I'd reckon that could be Harmes.

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:50, Deemania since 56 said:

TMac loves the Demons, the side that his brother plays for, the side that turned him into a champion, the side that allowed him to recuperate from injury for a very long time, the side that gave him focus and allows him to speak his mind publicly. It is also the side going places with him contributing to the max to achieve that end. Tom will get a very good offer. He has no love for other teams - he plays for the Dees. He will not be greedy; he is already a successful farmer, I believe. Tom ain't going to go anywhere on re-signing with HIS club. The sooner, the better for him and the Club. Win, Win situation of mutual interdependence. 

Hope so. Id give him my first  born and collection of Pentfolds.

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:24, beelzebub said:

I have him at around 4.5  or thereabouts over 5...( Conditions apply etc )

Thats 900 a year. ..

He may end up with more... bonuses etc. I think we need to rethink the bar...as it were. The new player collective together with accompanying Salary Cap provides for .. well...bigger money.

Bit like houses etc...blink and the buying power of your money just decreased.

Then there's market value for players. Other clubs will come hard.

I fully believe Tom ( and Oscar ) have no vision of playing anywhere else...but they aren't nongs. They get one really good shot at a pay-dirt contract... this is Tom's. Everyone knows this.. everyone will adapt.

Cannot contemplate guessing on financial and contract exactings and the more we speak of it, the more we inflate the circumstances before the deal is done. Look deeper, folks; look into Tom McD himself. Is he the kind of guy who would turn his back on his beloved Dees? No way. He is a player of great dignity, a team man. There is a quality player system in place to feed and augment his game styles and credibility - and an awesome short-term future for his loyalty well outside the lottery of financial windfall. Give the guy some credibility for who and what he is, not what you think he could be.

  On 23/05/2018 at 00:37, Deemania since 56 said:

And I'd reckon that could be Harmes.

I don't know if Harmes is quick enough. You need someone who can burn off opposition with ball in hand when they need to.

  On 22/05/2018 at 04:55, Wells 11 said:

As I think others have commented on here...I think to keep McDonald ( given he's  suddenly a sharp shooting,  power forward with a massive tank .... a valuable commodity) may cost us having a crack at Gaff. We may have to develop an outside runner form inside the club

What do Stretch and Hunt need to fix to be this person?

  On 23/05/2018 at 01:04, Danelska said:

What do Stretch and Hunt need to fix to be this person?

In my opinion, Stretch needs to be bigger. I realise he can't make himself taller, but he needs to bulk up to stop being pushed off the ball so easily.

Hunt needs to improve his disposal. Bigly.

 

  On 23/05/2018 at 01:04, Danelska said:

What do Stretch and Hunt need to fix to be this person?

Hunt could be this...could be anything I reckon. The future is his to make as his will and / or body allows. Ive been suprised he's fallen out of favour...but he'll be back.  Stretch Im not so sure. 

  On 23/05/2018 at 01:39, Wells 11 said:

Hunt could be this...could be anything I reckon. The future is his to make as his will and / or body allows. Ive been suprised he's fallen out of favour...but he'll be back.  Stretch Im not so sure. 

I never thought I'd say this, but Hunt is close to one of our biggest liabilities when he's in the side (from a skill perspective). Anaerobically, he has what it takes and his speed is something that all clubs would love to have; the same can't be said for his skills. 

In my opinion, he's at a cross-road. Fortunately, skill acquisition is something that can be worked on, but I wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't form a part of our side moving forward. 

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he can get himself back, I openly have egg on my face in regards to Harmes because going back 12 months, I openly was critical of him and doubted if he had a place in our best 22. 

  On 23/05/2018 at 00:47, mongrel said:

I don't know if Harmes is quick enough. You need someone who can burn off opposition with ball in hand when they need to.

With Harmes' build and conditioning, it really is just a matter of developing improved pace and agility, he has the tank and the power. He need not be another Davey, by any means  in terms of pace, just faster than he currently happens to be. Mind you, at his current speed status, he ain't too bad as it is, he just needs heightened running adjustments to increase absolute speed. 

  On 22/05/2018 at 03:09, juzzk1d said:

Exactly.

They mentioned Degoey..Has a few ripper games in the space of a few weeks and suddenly clubs like North are reportedly lining up to offer him 800k per year.

If that's the case, a player like Tmac with an amazing tank, can cover all of the ground and is that key lead up forward who can also pinch hit, play down back, on the wing AND is a dead eye should be worth 1mill per season if we are looking at comparing values here. 

I think it's telling that we aren't seeing any articles, facebook/twitter posts from news outlets/journos linking TMac (even fake news slow news day ones) with other clubs.

I'll spew if I see a facebook post with a bad photoshop job of TMac in a Collingwood or North jumper.

  On 21/05/2018 at 07:46, Chook said:

Call me biased but he's a top 5 AFL forward IMO.

1. Brown
2. Darling
3. Kennedy
4. Buddy
5. McDonald

Brown above Buddy and Kennedy?

  On 23/05/2018 at 01:39, Wells 11 said:

Hunt could be this...could be anything I reckon. The future is his to make as his will and / or body allows. Ive been suprised he's fallen out of favour...but he'll be back.  Stretch Im not so sure. 

I'm not.  His form this season has been putrid.

its quite amazing and he is unique. I rate him one of the worst field kicks in the league, simply horrible at times but in front of goal he is a dead eye [censored]. even on Sunday at half back he is close to the man on the mark and im thinking he will misjudge this and kick it straight into the man on the mark. and he did. But we switch him up the ground and he is awesome.

don't get me worng im a fan and his return has been extraordinary but to think of him as  million dollar player now is stunning to me. I would have thought he was worth $600-700K.

  On 23/05/2018 at 03:15, Bay Riffin said:

its quite amazing and he is unique. I rate him one of the worst field kicks in the league, simply horrible at times but in front of goal he is a dead eye [censored]. even on Sunday at half back he is close to the man on the mark and im thinking he will misjudge this and kick it straight into the man on the mark. and he did. But we switch him up the ground and he is awesome.

don't get me worng im a fan and his return has been extraordinary but to think of him as  million dollar player now is stunning to me. I would have thought he was worth $600-700K.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. Two years ago if we had have spoken of his potential departure, I wouldn't have been too fussed at all. He wasn't at all damaging coming out of the backline and some of his field kicking was astonishing. 

Funny how a positional change can make all the difference, ey?

The last big forward to sign was Joe Daniher in mid 2017. It was widely reported that the contract was $2M for three years. Equally it was acknowledged that Daniher had accepted significantly less than he could get on the open market.

Daniher at the time was flying so to speak ... much the same as Tom Mac.

On the flip side you have the ridiculous figure offered by the Dogs for the relatively untried forward in Tom Boyd of a reported $1M a year not to mention the figure of $1.4M that is being spoken of for Brisbane Tom Lynch..

Whatever we pay Tom Mac will also set an internal benchmark.

One hopes that like Essendon we get a loyalty bonus similar to what they got from Daniher but frankly Tom Mac owes us nothing. As others have pointed out this is his "payday" contract and it is not as though he is 21/22 and can expect a few more bites at the ever appetising cherry.

Edited May 23, 20186 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 22/05/2018 at 05:27, Diamond_Jim said:

And that's the point. The long term salary projections for Tom Mac have been thrown up in the air by his movement from a "reasonable backman" to a top 5/10 forward in the space of one season.

Not impossible but it's not as though there is a bottomless pot of money to deal with contingencies. Everything comes at a cost.

That's right DJ, and if we were Hawthorn, the players would take a small hit each, so they could bring a player into their list, to aid success on the field.