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We have to somehow win 3 of the next 4, and then Viney should be back by then.

 

1 hour ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nah, touch wood and he doesn't get bitten by a dog, spoke to both him and Tommy Mc week or so ago, Jack has been 2 weeks behind Tommy Mc in rehab

Yeah but the players dont give you any real information, they just humour you.

And you have purposely given false information about Vineys injury previously on here.

Edited April 27, 20186 yr by Petraccattack

More of the same player mismanagement for mine. Players need some match practice under less stressful match conditions to build them up for afl level these days..Thought we learned our lesson last year. Tommy Mac should play a half or three quarters at vfl and if he pulls up ok then he plays afl.Playing him at Etihad is idiotic

4 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

More of the same player mismanagement for mine. Players need some match practice under less stressful match conditions to build them up for afl level these days..Thought we learned our lesson last year. Tommy Mac should play a half or three quarters at vfl and if he pulls up ok then he plays afl.Playing him at Etihad is idiotic

What for you speak 'em logic man.

Common sense has no home here.

We're Melbourne...we don't do lessons 

11 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

More of the same player mismanagement for mine. Players need some match practice under less stressful match conditions to build them up for afl level these days..Thought we learned our lesson last year. Tommy Mac should play a half or three quarters at vfl and if he pulls up ok then he plays afl.Playing him at Etihad is idiotic

Ideally he would get some game time at Casey.  But as soon as Petracca was ruled out I think we had little choice but to play Tom.  Ess have Hooker and Hurley down back who can do a lot of damage especially if we persist with bombing it long and high.

Last year a tactic that helped us win was that Petracca took Hurley out of the game by leading him deep into the pocket and we played to the other side.  Brilliant coaching move.

Something similar could happen with Tom - either as a decoy and take Hurley out of the play or plonk Tom in the goal square.  Either way it helps ease him back into game touch.

Agree. Surely tmcd had to play vfl to get fitness and tempo. Maybe he should play on joe Daniher ? 

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

This Club does my head in. Not sure if it is bad luck or incompetence.

Incompetence.

 

TMac did the entire pre-season. He’s essentially only been out for 5 weeks, so he should still be in pretty decent nick. He’s also fundamentally one of the fittest players at the club to begin with.

Viney is further away purely because he has no conditioning. 

It’s clearly being treated on a case by case basis and I’m a long way from being prepared to call “mismanagement” until I see how TMac actually goes.

With all our long bombs into 50, I’m looking forward to seeing Weid, TMac and Jesse H all prowling around there. With Spargo, Hannan snd Fritsch also forward, not sure where Milkshake plays?

What worries me is the hardness of Docklands. I had a kick to kick on it a year or so ago, it's like concrete

 

Like it or not they'll have to gingerly manage his game time (tmac) on Sunday. Just stupid not to.

I like that he's there for what he'll bring...but i would have rather he had 2-3 qtrs in the Magoos first. 

Beggars can't be choosers i suppose. I worry about these scenarios. We never seem to come off well.

Go Dees

22 minutes ago, small but forward said:

With all our long bombs into 50, I’m looking forward to seeing Weid, TMac and Jesse H all prowling around there. With Spargo, Hannan snd Fritsch also forward, not sure where Milkshake plays?

They rotate.

Yeah because coming straight back in has served some of our other players really well hasn’t it.

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

TMac did the entire pre-season. He’s essentially only been out for 5 weeks, so he should still be in pretty decent nick. He’s also fundamentally one of the fittest players at the club to begin with.

Viney is further away purely because he has no conditioning. 

It’s clearly being treated on a case by case basis and I’m a long way from being prepared to call “mismanagement” until I see how TMac actually goes.

No he didn't 'Nasher'.

He started in rehab after surgery in the off season then missed training with the current injury from before the last preseason game.

It could be argued he we played him too soon in those silly 'X' games after his first period of rehab.

I would have played him at Casey.

I'm sure his general fitness will be fine as he is a great endurance athlete, but is the injury up to match conditions.

He's not a natural footballer so I also worry his touch may be off.

...but of course I hope he has a day out and all goes fine.

TMac’s only problem will be AFL tempo. He is fit enough and has trained endlessly kicking for goal , circle work, repeat sprints, endurance laps but he hasn’t had to think and perform with limited time and space and that will be his problem. So hopefully we can create some time and space for him up forward. 

2 hours ago, small but forward said:

With all our long bombs into 50, I’m looking forward to seeing Weid, TMac and Jesse H all prowling around there. With Spargo, Hannan snd Fritsch also forward, not sure where Milkshake plays?

On the contrary, I would be a bit concerned that it will only encourage more mindless bombing into the forward line.

On the fairly rare occasions that HBs and mids “lower their eyes” and kick low to a target we actually look like scoring.  Maybe the coach and the players don’t realize this ?

36 minutes ago, rjay said:

No he didn't 'Nasher'.

He started in rehab after surgery in the off season then missed training with the current injury from before the last preseason game.

It could be argued he we played him too soon in those silly 'X' games after his first period of rehab.

I would have played him at Casey.

I'm sure his general fitness will be fine as he is a great endurance athlete, but is the injury up to match conditions.

He's not a natural footballer so I also worry his touch may be off.

...but of course I hope he has a day out and all goes fine.

This is Tommy Mc, in rehab as you put it, he was putting 2 hour sessions in, I was there watching him most of the time

He had a turf toe injury, he could have played with it 3 weeks ago, but Club ensured the injury was completely fixed

Last week he spent 20 minutes after the session finished getting battered from pillar to post by Crossy

 

33 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

This is Tommy Mc, in rehab as you put it, he was putting 2 hour sessions in, I was there watching him most of the time

He had a turf toe injury, he could have played with it 3 weeks ago, but Club ensured the injury was completely fixed

Last week he spent 20 minutes after the session finished getting battered from pillar to post by Crossy

 

I would never question his fitness but I would question his touch and even though he was up to being battered by Crossy the club didn't think he was ready for a game with Casey.

You can't beat match fitness but lets hope he has a blinder, sometimes happens first game back.

33 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

This is Tommy Mc, in rehab as you put it, he was putting 2 hour sessions in, I was there watching him most of the time

He had a turf toe injury, he could have played with it 3 weeks ago, but Club ensured the injury was completely fixed

Last week he spent 20 minutes after the session finished getting battered from pillar to post by Crossy

 

I would never question his fitness but I would question his touch and even though he was up to being battered by Crossy the club didn't think he was ready for a game with Casey.

You can't beat match fitness but lets hope he has a blinder, sometimes happens first game back.

i'd rather t mac play afl than vfl

Honestly if TMac is a pure decoy on Sunday and gets 2 marks and a goal, I will be fine with it. 

He has enough of a fitness base to stand in the forward line and get some touch. He won’t do much better in the VFL and is wasted there. 

9 hours ago, Jaded said:

Honestly if TMac is a pure decoy on Sunday and gets 2 marks and a goal, I will be fine with it. 

He has enough of a fitness base to stand in the forward line and get some touch. He won’t do much better in the VFL and is wasted there. 

An interesting take Actually. He'll need 'minding'. That depletes their stocks.

On 23 March 2018 at 11:34 AM, sue said:

Hang on before you blow a fuse. Cortisone is meant to reduce inflammation not directly reduce pain.   (Personally I found it didn't work, but I am a sample of 1)

Worked for me on shoulder and Plantar along with complete rest and ice / deeep tissue massage

Tell Tmac not to move 35 meters from goal. Means they need at least one player back on him opening gaps in their zone. Tiges do it with martin. I'd even have one of spargo, fritsch or Hannen at the 50 arc as well. Cant leave them alone.