Goodwin says Viney & TMac out for 6-8 Weeks

[Deespondent 8]

It's all Jack Watts' fault. Actually, Jack would be very handy right now with TMac out. 

BTW is"628" the new "426"?

Edited March 22, 2018 by Deespondent

[whatwhat say what 22,218]

5 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I can't believe the amount of people who are not privy to relevant information who carry on like pork chops.  They think they've been lied to or that there have been cover ups. 

These are the types of injuries where pain may or mary not occur after training loads.  One week Viney may have been pain free, so the club reports based on this feedback from Viney and the next week there may be a hiccup, which leads to a reassessment. 

There's no sinister plot here.  And both of the original stress fractures are not what's causing the current pain, although they have led to the current ailment. 

yes and no

there's two issues at play here from my perspective:

1) injury diagnosis and treatment is either incorrect or mismanaged

2) communication of the above is poorly done, leading to the charge of the club lying to the media / supporter base

my concern is we've had comms since end of season last year that viney would be 'right for round 1', when pretty much no one believes that

the bigger issue is that t mac played aflx on that wretched carpark and then jlt1 when - according to our medical staff - already suffering from an injury that was being managed

the only question for the latter is 'why??'

[Gator 17,261]

31 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

yes and no

there's two issues at play here from my perspective:

1) injury diagnosis and treatment is either incorrect or mismanaged

2) communication of the above is poorly done, leading to the charge of the club lying to the media / supporter base

my concern is we've had comms since end of season last year that viney would be 'right for round 1', when pretty much no one believes that

the bigger issue is that t mac played aflx on that wretched carpark and then jlt1 when - according to our medical staff - already suffering from an injury that was being managed

the only question for the latter is 'why??'

I don't accept either of those sentiments with regards to Viney.  

Unless, of course, you can prove it.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

3 hours ago, Jaded said:

Time for Hogan to step up. He will be getting a lot of defensive pressure now without TMac. 

He was fantastic in the practice match against North

There are plenty of clubs [censored] themselves at the prospect of trying to stop a fit, happy Jesse Hogan

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,857]

The alarmist almost fatalist attitude on here is embarrassing. It is disappointing but better to manage for it to happen now and try and get them right for rest of the season than to lose them in the back half. They are both high quality players but we can cover them particularly with our early season run. The argument could be old school MFC may have let TMac continue to play through the pain due to no depth and make it worse but because we take a no risk attitude everyone goes into meltdown. As Goody said we have a list of 40 healthy players. When have we ever entered a season with 40 to choose from? Particularly when most I would be happy to see as true quality options.Take no precautions particularly with their importance and ensure they are right for the second half of the season when they are even more vital.

[H_T 3,032]

Many knew the risk faced last year when he returned early and played through pain. The short term view on making finals instead of long term gain took precedence. 

Now we’re paying for it in 2018 and beyond.

[Docs Demons 1,748]

No need to panic. If we are good enough and as many have said we have depth then we can cover for these two important players and look forward to when they return FULLY fit. Imagine other teams getting injuries in first 6-8 weeks then we get Viney and TMac as ins!

[TGR 1,367]

6 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Viney's facia was mis-managed IMO coming out and training / playing again way too early from many reports.  

Come on.  Blind Freddy knew this last year.  Not surprising at all.  As I have said before, most AFL injuries are unlucky and underserved.  This aint one of them.

 

Not sure why Misson gets the blame.  Surely, the surgeon, the physios, the sports physician have a scintilla of common sense and power to stop Viney going back early.

[sue 9,018]

36 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

No need to panic. If we are good enough and as many have said we have depth then we can cover for these two important players and look forward to when they return FULLY fit. Imagine other teams getting injuries in first 6-8 weeks then we get Viney and TMac as ins!

No need to panic, but let's not get too over-confident about our strength  when they do return.  If other teams have injuries during the next 6-8+ weeks, we may too.

[DV8 2,271]

2 hours ago, Deespondent said:

It's all Jack Watts' fault. Actually, Jack would be very handy right now with TMac out. 

BTW is"628" the new "426"?

No, we're better off, as we are now thanks.

[leave it to deever 17,485]

Oh crap....can we have some good luck for once.

[Winners at last 5,162]

10 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Oh crap....can we have some good luck for once.

I doubt it. Hasn't happened to date ...

[Demon Dynasty 17,094]

25 minutes ago, TGR said:

Come on.  Blind Freddy knew this last year.  Not surprising at all.  As I have said before, most AFL injuries are unlucky and underserved.  This aint one of them.

 

Not sure why Misson gets the blame.  Surely, the surgeon, the physios, the sports physician have a scintilla of common sense and power to stop Viney going back early.

Not an expert TGR.  Surgeon most likely provides advice into said player's wellbeing and likely recovery but surely the EPM would have the ultimate say in setting a recovery  program and monitoring the ongoing progress of injured player/s with the input of physios / physician etc. I doubt the physios would set the recovery program/amount of load etc, even though they may have a significant input and say in certain aspects of what preferred/tried methods might assist in a full & successful recovery.  Surely the buck would stop with the EPM in conjunction with the coach after various inputs and advice from the others you mentioned I would have thought.

[Adzman 2,153]

Tmac and Viney out really hurt, but it gives us a few weeks to rotate some others through the middle and see if someone can nail compete for a spot in the front 6.

Shattered they are out, but if we can manage to get by without them they become very handy mid season additions

It's early, but we can't really afford another key injury.

 

[Dockett 32 1,237]

1 hour ago, Docs Demons said:

No need to panic. If we are good enough and as many have said we have depth then we can cover for these two important players and look forward to when they return FULLY fit. Imagine other teams getting injuries in first 6-8 weeks then we get Viney and TMac as ins!

Understand the  no panic sentiments, there are no excuses anymore ,we have to cover for them , we have to become winners.  Its pretty simple and a win is an expectation. Anything else is a poor result. 

A bad loss would be terrible.

The comments by Goody that we are going to set TMac and Viney up for later bothers me a bit.

If we are 2-8 , what are they setting them up for? A charge for twelfth ?

Hope the coach and players get it. The demand for finals starts now and finishes round 22.

Not comfotable with the handling of all of this so far.

8 weeks for a toe?

 

 

 

 

 

[DV8 2,271]

10 minutes ago, Dockett 32 said:

Understand the  no panic sentiments, there are no excuses anymore ,we have to cover for them , we have to become winners.  Its pretty simple and a win is an expectation. Anything else is a poor result. 

A bad loss would be terrible.

The comments by Goody that we are going to set TMac and Viney up for later bothers me a bit.

If we are 2-8 , what are they setting them up for? A charge for twelfth ?

Hope the coach and players get it. The demand for finals starts now and finishes round 22.

Not comfotable with the handling of all of this so far.

8 weeks for a toe?

 

 

 

 

 

The future, they're futures, & our clubs future in finals.

Are you suggesting we should play them, even if they aren't right?

 

The thing is, we get stronger by playing other young fellas, while these guys get themselves right. Even if that is a knock on 2018 finals campaign, it is still a strength, for our tomorrows.

I don't believe we will not be in the hunt for a finals berth this year,  and feel confident that we will be charging them down, come July.

If that is with Viney & TMc, I don't know, but we are so much more than these 2 lads.

[picket fence 16,702]

I just heard that Goodwin has stated that both players had some CORTISONE INJECTIONS during the week. Cortisone???

Seriously??

Cortisone is nothing more than a Band-aid, it masks the pain and does NOTHING to actually rehab the problem.

Current thinking includes PRP injections ( White Blood cells) harvested from your own blood and autologous blood injections guided by Ultrasound

Cortisone does nothing but mask pain, other problem is once you have a couple into same joint it actually can weaken the joint further.

Anyone else on  this site in the know will bear this out.

Cortisone?? 

Now I am worried!

[hardtack 10,423]

4 hours ago, H_T said:

Many knew the risk faced last year when he returned early and played through pain. The short term view on making finals instead of long term gain took precedence. 

Now we’re paying for it in 2018 and beyond.

6 to 8 weeks equates to 2018 AND beyond? 

[DaveyDee 421]

15 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

The alarmist almost fatalist attitude on here is embarrassing. It is disappointing but better to manage for it to happen now and try and get them right for rest of the season than to lose them in the back half. They are both high quality players but we can cover them particularly with our early season run. The argument could be old school MFC may have let TMac continue to play through the pain due to no depth and make it worse but because we take a no risk attitude everyone goes into meltdown. As Goody said we have a list of 40 healthy players. When have we ever entered a season with 40 to choose from? Particularly when most I would be happy to see as true quality options.Take no precautions particularly with their importance and ensure they are right for the second half of the season when they are even more vital.

Let’s be 100% honest - some people can tell you all the problems of the world today ( hence they are angry, frustrated & impatient) yet could not give you a solution even if their life depended upon it - such is life. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by DaveyDee

[DSP 1,488]

Viney is in our top 3 most valuable players.

The club HAS to get this right and get the foot healed.

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

33 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

Let’s be 100% honest - some people can tell you all the problems of the world today ( hence they are angry, frustrated & impatient) yet could not give you a solution even if their life depended upon it - such is life. 

And then there are people like you, who love to sit on the fence and just accept the majority rule all the time

“i don’t mind either way” is what you write in every 2nd post

you must have a lot of splinters in your ass from sitting on that fence all day.

The Doctors favourite colour is beige....

[poita 3,877]

I love that so many people around here believe Goodwin when he says that both will be back in 6-8 weeks, when he has been less than honest (or at best, so very wrong) on this subject in the past. I have zero confidence that Viney will play this year, and am losing faith that we will see McDonald play any meaningful part in our season either.

Goodwin should just say "we will take the time to get these injuries fixed, we don't know how long that will take, we will update you when we have something definite to tell you", rather than providing a running commentary and looking like a fool or worse when his deadlines are missed.

That said, I do expect him to explain why McDonald played AFLX and JLT.

[picket fence 16,702]

12 hours ago, picket fence said:

I just heard that Goodwin has stated that both players had some CORTISONE INJECTIONS during the week. Cortisone???

Seriously?? It is an older remedy.

Cortisone is nothing more than a Band-aid, it masks injury has some antiflammatory action and does NOTHING to actually rehab the problem. Its not a cure all.

Current thinking includes PRP injections ( White Blood cells) harvested from your own blood and autologous blood injections guided by Ultrasound I would have thought this might have been better?

The, other problem is once you have a couple into same joint it actually can weaken the joint further.

Anyone else on  this site in the know will bear this out.

Cortisone?? 

Now I am worried!

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by picket fence

[Sir Why You Little 36,670]

51 minutes ago, poita said:

I love that so many people around here believe Goodwin when he says that both will be back in 6-8 weeks, when he has been less than honest (or at best, so very wrong) on this subject in the past. I have zero confidence that Viney will play this year, and am losing faith that we will see McDonald play any meaningful part in our season either.

Goodwin should just say "we will take the time to get these injuries fixed, we don't know how long that will take, we will update you when we have something definite to tell you", rather than providing a running commentary and looking like a fool or worse when his deadlines are missed.

That said, I do expect him to explain why McDonald played AFLX and JLT.

6-8 weeks really means sometime in the future, there is no answer at this stage

i agree re TMac...

[picket fence 16,702]

FURTHER INFO

What is PRP?

PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) injections are natural injections consisting of components of your own blood that has been enriched with platelets. A rapidly growing treatment PRP utilises the body’s natural inflammatory process to assist the growth and repair of soft tissues such as: tendons, ligaments, fascia, skin and muscle.  Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) is the fluid part of the blood which contains all of the 'band-aid' cells (the Platelets), and contains several different growth factors and other proteins that stimulate healing and attract the critical assistance of stem cells. 

 

Some tissues in the body have a poor blood supply or respond poorly to excessive load and ultimately fail to heal naturally. PRP therapy utilises the healing properties in blood to allow a healing reaction to occur in a tissue that is not healing on its own. Our blood has small granules called “platelets” and these contain special growth factors that when released, allowing stem cells in the particular tissue to switch on and then cause new tissue to be synthesized and heal an injured or degenerated area.

 

The goal of PRP therapy is to resolve pain and increase mobility through healing. It is completely natural and can prove to have long lasting results.

Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) has been used overseas for many years, however it is fairly new to Australia and even more so to the general public. Platelet Rich Plasma (PRP) treatment in Melbourne & Australia was first introduced as a treatment for elite athletes but is now available to assist anyone 

The technique

PRP involves taking your own blood, which is taken from your arm just like a normal blood test, the blood is then spun in a centrifuge which is a machine designed to separate the blood into two components. The bottom layer contains most of the red blood cells, while the top layer is mostly plasma and platelets. The top layer, the platelet rich plasma, is then activated and injected into the affected area immediately after the blood has been taken. Injections can be performed with or without guided ultrasound. 

What can PRP treat?

PRP therapy can be used for several types of injuries and ailments, including:

· Knee arthritis 

· Arthritis, particularly osteoarthritis

· Joint pain & joint damage

· Knee pain, injuries 

· Hip pain, injuries & arthritis

· Muscle tears

· Degenerative conditions

· Bursitis

· Ligament, tendon and fascia injuries

· Meniscus and cartilage tears

· Nerve injury

· Tendonitis

· Tennis elbow & golfers elbow

· Foot & ankle pain and injuries

· Carpal tunnel syndrome

· Plantar fasciitis

· Rotator cuff injuries

· Sports or work injuries

When compared to cortisone injections, PRP shows better results over a longer period of time. While the effects of cortisone are rapid, they are often followed by a decline in condition and can actually cause further tissue damage. PRP, however, shows slower but greater long term improvements, less injury recurrence and no side-effects.