2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It is getting tiresome to read from non medical people, who didn't examine his injury, that he came back too soon, especially when we hear from him and club medical staff that the current problems are not the ones that he allegedly came back too soon from.

Fair enough Redders, however as pointed out by others, the current problem may not be the same injury but it would be hard to argue that its not related to the earlier injury.  As we know, a injury may often arise due to problems with other parts of the anatomy. Hamstring, calf soreness, achilles- pain or injury referred from back etc etc  

Just now, hemingway said:

Fair enough Redders, however as pointed out by others, the current problem may not be the same injury but it would be hard to argue that its not related to the earlier injury.  As we know, a injury may often arise due to problems with other parts of the anatomy. Hamstring, calf soreness, achilles- pain or injury referred from back etc etc  

Fair enough that it MAY be related to the earlier injury, but of course it may not, but it is certainly not hard to argue that it's not related to the earlier injury as we don't know exactly what the earlier injury and the current injuries are.

I think I'll just speak toJack tomorrow then I'll know

18 minutes ago, Redleg said:

It is getting tiresome to read from non medical people, who didn't examine his injury, that he came back too soon, especially when we hear from him and club medical staff that the current problems are not the ones that he allegedly came back too soon from.

Correct me if I'm wrong Red but wasn't his injury last year originally reported as 3 or 4 weeks and he only missed 1 or 2?

1 minute ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think I'll just speak toJack tomorrow then I'll know

Maybe he doesn't even know if new problems keep surfacing. Then again if it is bad, he and the club may not want fans to know.

have absolutely no way of knowing but wouldn't be surprised given the shifting time frame.

it appears that they'll let it take as long as it needs. have to support that.

 

the club does not want another tack trengove situation. that one was tragic. so would this be.

3 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Correct me if I'm wrong Red but wasn't his injury last year originally reported as 3 or 4 weeks and he only missed 1 or 2?

I think so but who is to say the 3 or 4 weeks was correct. Maybe it was best guess and then he improved quickly to be fit enough to play.

The point I am making is that we don't know as we are not Doctors and don't examine the injuries.

Also it is not an exact science. Oh you have a finger injury that will be 17 days out of footy. It is best guess made on experience and examination.

11 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think I'll just speak toJack tomorrow then I'll know

You mean you'll know what he tells you.

And he could tell you anything he wants.

In conclusion, you'll know no more than any of us here.

But cool.

4 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

it appears that they'll let it take as long as it needs. have to support that.

 

 

Hope no one on here disagrees with that.

22 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Fair enough that it MAY be related to the earlier injury, but of course it may not, but it is certainly not hard to argue that it's not related to the earlier injury as we don't know exactly what the earlier injury and the current injuries are.

We do.

The first injury was plantar fasciitis and the second injury stemmed from the first.  The second injury was a stress fracture in his third metatarsal.

I agree that we're not privy to any recent sore spots.

56 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I think I'll just speak toJack tomorrow then I'll know

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's 'right on track'.   

 

On 3/10/2018 at 11:10 AM, Satyriconhome said:

Viney looks ready to go at training, he has told me he is right on track

 

On 2/19/2018 at 10:16 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I speak to Jack at every session I get to, last time I spoke  to him he said he was right on track 

 

On 1/8/2018 at 5:12 PM, Satyriconhome said:

Jack's fine and right on track, I had a chat to him on way back to AAMI 

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by Grapeviney

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Fair enough that it MAY be related to the earlier injury, but of course it may not, but it is certainly not hard to argue that it's not related to the earlier injury as we don't know exactly what the earlier injury and the current injuries are.

No but I think we may have a fair idea. 

Not everything in life is evidence based. 

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

 

Not everything in life is evidence based. 

Wish I could use that line in my work. 

It’s all guess work from us. 

We have no idea despite what some think. 

If he is back by mid season and raring to go I would take that. 

1 hour ago, Grapeviney said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's 'right on track'.   

 

 

My gut feel is that we'll see him back around ANZAC day. If he hasn't played a 2s game by then he should probably seek some unconventional advice at some clinic overseas. Or just rest for the year and come back for our cup defence in 2019.

2 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's 'right on track'.   

 

 

 

And by right on track he meant right on track for Round 1.  

Conclusion - the players give Saty nothing, as we always knew. Case closed.

Well, it started out as "soreness" then became plantar fasciitis then stressies and at last report was a combination of both plantar fasciitis and stressies - all with wavering levels of seriousness.

That is the sort of hamfisted story line which says his foot is stuffed.

4 hours ago, hemingway said:

Agree with all points.

In regard to last para, you are probably right as no-one really knows, so opinion only.

Its a reflection of supporters concern.  A view that takes into account the mistake last season when he played prematurely, together with the 6 months recovery over summer, and continuing doubts about the timing of his comeback.  And the importance to the team in ensuring that he is cherry ripe when he returns.

I agree with this, and with my albeit limited exposure to medical personnel in the afl - in addressing things that even THEY don't know a prognosis for, the only thing they choose to do is wait. So in essence, the medical team, advised by JV's pain experience will proactively be waiting... until inflammation subsides...as they too don't know (not through ignorance, nor malpractice, simply because JV is a sample size of one that every treatment and recover is unique to the individual). 

must be overdue to giving the richmond doctor a call

I've broken the Cuneiform bone before. Was late 20's and it still gives me slight grief every day, 20+ years later. 

Was also diagnosed with Plantar Fasciitis several months back after a strain at work. Painful little bastard. Definitely makes you walk differently, so as not to feel the stinging pain that goes with it.

 

I can see why those injuries lead to others.

3 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's 'right on track'.   

 

 

 

Post of 2018 Grape

Pay that one ☝️ 

5 hours ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

Someone posted something similar on a FB group yesterday..... same person or same information??

not me, I not on facebook or any of those newby things.

just aware of stuff around that is good fr health & healing.

I've been surrounded by some loved ones with life impacting health issues, so am motivated to research read up on stuff.

 

3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I’m confused as to why this thread was started. Does someone have solid information?

When I was at training on Monday morning, I noticed a medico/doctor inspecting Viney’s foot closely whilst he was sitting on the ground. As soon as that concluded, he took no further part in the rehab group training and headed back to the AAMI park complex. Before the foot inspection, he was doing light work in the rehab group.

That was the only concerning thing I witnessed. I wouldn’t jump the gun just yet in fearing the worst, although I’m aware of how unclear the club when it comes to updating it’s supporter base re: injuries.

Its difficult to have solid information when  clubs keep the information secret & send misinformation around.

so we can only speculate.

 

A bit like the father with 5 girls, locked out of the delivery room. for hours after.

4 hours ago, Grapeviney said:

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's 'right on track'.   

 

 

 

Comedy Festival starting, I do know with Viney, like some others, but keep to myself, unlike some others, but Club has put out an update so everbody knows now

The plan was always Rd 1, why wouldn't it be, didn't work out that way

Nice to see the flat track bullies coming out of hiding to join in with your 'humour'

Edited March 21, 20187 yr by Satyriconhome