Trade him out!!

 

then realise he is what we need and trade him back in

Judging by Jones' comments it sounds like the club leaders are sick of his lazy attitude to preparation and are not fussed if he goes

3 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Judging by Jones' comments it sounds like the club leaders are sick of his lazy attitude to preparation and are not fussed if he goes

I hear exit interviews are very honest these days...

They will tell those of their presence on the trade block. I reckon about 10 would be on the block.

33 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

Judging by Jones' comments it sounds like the club leaders are sick of his lazy attitude to preparation and are not fussed if he goes

I wonder if other's are sick of him ( NJ ) kicking it to the opposition with unerring regularity ?

I would be good if Watts applied himself with Jones like vigour. Be good if Jones kicked like Watts too.

I reckon RPFC is on the money...no one will be left  second guessing where they stand.

 

Wattsamatta u....hey?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/frustrated-demons-confronted-jack-watts-over-inconsistency-20170919-gyk6fl.html

Edited September 19, 20177 yr by america de cali

Listened to the interview and all this talk about habits, making the right decisions outside the club, McCartney talking about falling into old habits, comments in Roos' book; all points to a severe mismanagement of our young players in the Bailey and Neeld years and setting the right professional habits. 

Watts clearly had no idea how to be a professional athlete until Roos entered the club and this set back his development years and years. Old habits die hard and if he doesn't get traded this year then, after what has now been communicated to him, then he'll be playing a lot of VFL football next year if he doesn't demonstrate some change in these professional habits.

17 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

LOL Not a good judge of footballers I dare say. Memory not too flash?

No

Sarcasm meter set to extremely low

1 hour ago, america de cali said:

 

Wattsamatta u....hey?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/frustrated-demons-confronted-jack-watts-over-inconsistency-20170919-gyk6fl.html

If we have a senior player which can't be trusted from his time away from the club then it's time to cut ties. 

How can you be paid like a professional but not prepare like one!!

Get rid of him, clearly does not have what it takes, he is soft, & looks to be having a negative effect on "a few younger players"

There is time for these other players, but if Jack hadn't figured this out yet he never will. 

 

His heart is clearly not in it .. You could see him just going through the motions this year .. He needs a fresh start elsewhere, and I reckon Brisbane or Gold Coast would be a good fit.. Perfect location for him to market his 'Skowsh' board shorts.

And can I just say .. $79 for board shorts made out of Polyester is an absolute joke !!

Get rid of the 35 blokes on the list who can't kick first.

Crawling up the duodenum of the coach is not the answer for those who assume to know what he does in private.

I blame the tackling coach of the defensive coach for his faults.

yet to see the perfect player.

26 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

His heart is clearly not in it .. You could see him just going through the motions this year .. He needs a fresh start elsewhere, and I reckon Brisbane or Gold Coast would be a good fit.. Perfect location for him to market his 'Skowsh' board shorts.

Yeah, his heart is not in it. No emotion when goals are kicked by teammates or himself. Ever notice that Watts is one of the first to celebrate. Heart not in it when he kicked the goal against Collingwood.

Jones:  "...That's probably why we tend to come down harder on him, because he's a more senior player." 

I'm glad someone finally admitted the club is harder on Jack than it is others.  That has long be a suspicion of mine.  Among the harsh public talk about Jack by Coach, Captains and even young players there has rarely been a positive word/encouragement to go with it.  Makes me wonder if Jack has become the whipping boy inside the club as well?  Very said if so. 

26 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Yeah, his heart is not in it. No emotion when goals are kicked by teammates or himself. Ever notice that Watts is one of the first to celebrate. Heart not in it when he kicked the goal against Collingwood.

A post goal celebration isn't what I'm looking for in a player.

3 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

A post goal celebration isn't what I'm looking for in a player.

It is for me, if it is the one that wins us a flag.

Edited September 19, 20177 yr by Redleg

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jones:  "...That's probably why we tend to come down harder on him, because he's a more senior player." 

I'm glad someone finally admitted the club is harder on Jack than it is others.  That has long be a suspicion of mine.  Among the harsh public talk about Jack by Coach, Captains and even young players there has rarely been a positive word/encouragement to go with it.  Makes me wonder if Jack has become the whipping boy inside the club as well?  Very said if so. 

I highly doubt that - Jones goes on to say in the interview that he has been part of the AFL system for longer and should know better.  The fact that he is still doing some of these things would frustrate the players no end.

With the younger players you could argue that they need to be educated and understand what it takes to be an AFL player.  I'm sure we handled the Oliver situation differently than if it had of been a senior player as they should already know better.

I don't see it as picking on Watts, so to speak, just our leaders ensuring that the standards that are set are met by ALL players, and they are standards that should not be broken and be clearly understood by senior players more than anyone.

This is what I find interesting, both the Coach and now the Captain have had a crack at Watts pretty openly through the media.  I don't think you do that to a bloke you are trying to trade, the only result is decreasing his trade value.  I think the club just wants him to have a red hot crack in 2018 and we are going to poke him and poke him so he comes back with the I am going to stick it up everyone attitude.

15 minutes ago, drdrake said:

  I think the club just wants him to have a red hot crack in 2018 and we are going to poke him and poke him so he comes back with the I am going to stick it up everyone attitude.

He hasnt done that in 9 seasons, why will he now?

This is a new era for the MFC, and Watts doesn't fit in. Hes probably the last remnant of the dark years and is hopefully shipped out.

9 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

He hasnt done that in 9 seasons, why will he now?

This is a new era for the MFC, and Watts doesn't fit in. Hes probably the last remnant of the dark years and is hopefully shipped out.

I don't disagree, but if you want someone out you need to sell them to get maximum return.  If you are a club hearing that from the captain you drop your offer to a third round pick

36 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I highly doubt that - Jones goes on to say in the interview that he has been part of the AFL system for longer and should know better.  The fact that he is still doing some of these things would frustrate the players no end.

With the younger players you could argue that they need to be educated and understand what it takes to be an AFL player.  I'm sure we handled the Oliver situation differently than if it had of been a senior player as they should already know better.

I don't see it as picking on Watts, so to speak, just our leaders ensuring that the standards that are set are met by ALL players, and they are standards that should not be broken and be clearly understood by senior players more than anyone.

I fully expect that all players meet standards but I also expect they be treated equally at least in public.   99% of the public dialogue from the club about Jack this year has been on the negative side.  Even when Jack has played a really good game he has rarely received public praise or recognition.

Other players at the club or in the AFL don't get talked about by their club in this way on a regular basis.  I find it disappointing that our club chooses a negative narrative on one of our own.  They know the media will lap up every negative comment about Jack, yet they feed it.  Why I don't know.

Edited September 19, 20177 yr by Lucifer's Hero

26 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

He hasnt done that in 9 seasons, why will he now?

This is a new era for the MFC, and Watts doesn't fit in. Hes probably the last remnant of the dark years and is hopefully shipped out.

Garland as well

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Jones:  "...That's probably why we tend to come down harder on him, because he's a more senior player." 

I'm glad someone finally admitted the club is harder on Jack than it is others.  That has long be a suspicion of mine.  Among the harsh public talk about Jack by Coach, Captains and even young players there has rarely been a positive word/encouragement to go with it.  Makes me wonder if Jack has become the whipping boy inside the club as well?  Very said if so. 

He said "because he's a senior player" not "because he's Jack Watts"

Some of the criticism is over the top however he is criticised for good reason.

2 minutes ago, Stretch Johnson said:

He said "because he's a senior player" not "because he's Jack Watts"

Some of the criticism is over the top however he is criticised for good reason.

Do you really think Jack is the only senior player that is recalcitrant from time to time?  That he is the only senior player that has his activities questioned by the club? 

Yet such senior players don't have negative public comments made by the club let alone a negative public narrative run on them over a whole season. 

It is that that I find inconsistent and therefore distasteful. 

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Do you really think Jack is the only senior player that is recalcitrant from time to time?  That he is the only senior player that has his activities questioned by the club? 

Yet such senior players don't have negative public comments made by the club let alone a negative public narrative run on them over a whole season. 

It is that that I find inconsistent and therefore distasteful. 

OK. 

I find it reasonable to have expectations of excellence and the only way that we could ever hope to see us unfurl the flag again.

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

This is what I find interesting, both the Coach and now the Captain have had a crack at Watts pretty openly through the media.  I don't think you do that to a bloke you are trying to trade, the only result is decreasing his trade value.  I think the club just wants him to have a red hot crack in 2018 and we are going to poke him and poke him so he comes back with the I am going to stick it up everyone attitude.

Was about to say the same thing.... I can't see why the club, in this case the captain, would be going public about Watts if it was about to put him on the trade table. Fire him up now, prior to the pre-season to make sure 2018 is as good as it can be!