T mac is a better forward than Watts.  Has Watts ever kicked 5 goals in a  game?  T Mad did just a few games after shifting forward,  and hes a career backman.

Adios, Jackie boy.

8 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

T mac is a better forward than Watts.  Has Watts ever kicked 5 goals in a  game?  T Mad did just a few games after shifting forward,  and hes a career backman.

Adios, Jackie boy.

Tmac's leading patterns were woeful in half of the games he was forward. It's why Roos didn't have him in there for long stints when he experimented it in 2015/16. 

He's a better contested marker than Jack, but to claim that he's a better forward than Jack just because he has had a 5 goal game is laughable. 

It's like saying Scott Cummings was a better forward than David Neitz because he kicked 10 in a game once. 

The strangest sense of deja vu everytime I open this thread... exact same people, saying the exact same thing for 221 pages.

12 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Tmac's leading patterns were woeful in half of the games he was forward. It's why Roos didn't have him in there for long stints when he experimented it in 2015/16. 

He's a better contested marker than Jack, but to claim that he's a better forward than Jack just because he has had a 5 goal game is laughable. 

It's like saying Scott Cummings was a better forward than David Neitz because he kicked 10 in a game once. 

well pedersen then. basically anyone you put in there showed more promise. pedersen won several games for us this year. 

15 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Tmac's leading patterns were woeful in half of the games he was forward. It's why Roos didn't have him in there for long stints when he experimented it in 2015/16. 

He's a better contested marker than Jack, but to claim that he's a better forward than Jack just because he has had a 5 goal game is laughable. 

It's like saying Scott Cummings was a better forward than David Neitz because he kicked 10 in a game once. 

T Mac has far superior endurance than Watts, which is imperative for a key forward, which Watts is not. 

3 hours ago, Junior said:

I don't understand why anyone at the club had to make public statements about Jack leaving, well before any deal had been done.  They should have repeated over and over "Jack is a contracted player", and then kept all the real conversations behind closed doors.

What happens now if he ends up staying cos a deal doesn't get over the line?  The club has basically announced that we don't want him at the club.  That sort of talk can even further damage the bloke, and further hurt his chances of bouncing back and finding some fresh motivation in 2018.  All that might be OK, except for the fact that we are still paying him a fortune, and that he can still be a top 5 player for the club.

 

3 hours ago, Ouch! said:

This is true, but they also went on to make comment as to why they want him to explore their options. That gets out in the media, rumors fly around other clubs and that is why things can sour.  The suggestion he didn't prepare well, or hasn't got the most out of his ability etc. There is generally only one way to perceive that.... and if everything is rosy you wouldn't have asked him to explore his options in the first place.

 

3 hours ago, Junior said:

Goodwin stated they have encouraged Jack to explore other opportunities....when he is not even half way through his current contract.  I would say that's sending a very clear message that the club is happy for him to move on.

My question is, how are these public comments helpful?  Surely these conversations could remain private until a deal is actually inked?

Very easily Junior.  The only plausible and reasonable argument for running down a player whilst in a draft window with 2 years remaining on his contract would be to send him a huge message, hope that his draft value then drops considerably so that you then say any (post public trashing) deals are just too unacceptable and then attempt to mend any rift and get try to get Jack to improve as you see fit.

Anything else was purely suicidal for both Jack and the club in terms of upside surely.  Whether it started off as a soft kick and got out of hand with some unfortunate but amateurish comments that weren't planned...

3 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Because if they didn't say anything then you'd complain about not being informed.

 

UH since when has the public / members / supporters at AFL / VFL (pre AFL) level ever been fully informed and aware of what truly goes on within the four walls of a club or the commission itself?

As KB has always said, lying is the second language of the AFL (and I would add many of those who are directly involved with it and who rely on it as their major or sole source of income). 

 ....a few fine examples of it on an 'en masse' scale.

- The 'well planned' extraction by the AFL Commision of the imminent bargain basement sale of what was left of the Fitzroy  FC to Norf in 1996, instead handing it to Brisbane; and

- The Essendrug saga

..... No one saw either of these coming (even Norf officials who believed they were on the cusp of securing many of the FFC contracted players) outside of a few select parties within the AFL & Essendrug (following the "alleged" tip off to Essendrug officials, supposedly by the then head of the AFL).  The Essendrug officials (and most of the players involved) then went on to deny anything untoward had happened and apparently had absolutely no knowledge, records or recollection of whatever the substance was that was being injected multiple times into each player in an off site location, and then expected the public to believe that as well.

I have absolutely no expectation whatsoever, and never have had, that anyone at the MFC or AFL level will ever tell us the complete and full story on any important internal AFL/Club/player related matter UH.

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by Rusty Nails

221 pages of emotive posts. No Range Rover nor snow skiers on Demonland. We are a resilient tribe.

Jack Watts remains on the Demonland banner for a few more hours. 

Maybe it has been our version of the Truman Show !! We gotta laugh or we would all go mad. 

Wonder if he'll actually choose a club before Thursday...

Latest Skwosh shorts design is in Teal and Black, I'm not sure if that means anything 

Edited October 16, 20177 yr by DeeZee

7 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Wonder if he'll actually choose a club before Thursday...

Apparently may choose Geelong as they have better draft picks to trade with, post Motlop compensation.

 

This thread is becoming like my mother-in-law - it just never shuts-up. 

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

So the media have a scoop about a media magnet player but they're not reporting it.

That sounds exactly like something the media would do.

 

the only way I can see that happening is if Watts is screwing both Rupert Murdoch and Bill Shorten.

 

What about Jerry?

12 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What about Jerry?

If Jack can somehow amass a greater fortune than Murdoch, he's got  a very very good show

 

She's a bit of a climber, after all.

1 minute ago, Mazer Rackham said:

If Jack can somehow amass a greater fortune than Murdoch, he's got  a very very good show

 

She's a bit of a climber, after all.

The ultimate G. Digger is our Jerry...

23 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

What about Jerry?

please wyl, think of the children

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Say it again. 

There is far more to this than the club or the media are letting on...

I disagree. 

I think there is far less than is being made of this by the media.

A serial under performer for the 9 seasons he has been on the list and the club has said, best you have a look at other options. If we can get value in a trade that you agree to, we will take it. Since that time I think the club has been mainly very disciplined and consistent  in all that it has said. 

Jack will either stay or go. Whichever it is, it is up to jack as to how he responds.

I think that the AFL media has made a mountain out of a molehill.

In my opinion, if you strip away the media hype, the football club has handled it well whatever the outcome. I back the football department to make the right decisions.

 

I'm going to be a risk taker and make a bold prediction.

I reckon we'll ,without a doubt, where Jack's going by Friday afternoon.

 

2 minutes ago, CHF said:

I disagree. 

I think there is far less than is being made of this by the media.

A serial under performer for the 9 seasons he has been on the list and the club has said, best you have a look at other options. If we can get value in a trade that you agree to, we will take it. Since that time I think the club has been mainly very disciplined and consistent  in all that it has said. 

Jack will either stay or go. Whichever it is, it is up to jack as to how he responds.

I think that the AFL media has made a mountain out of a molehill.

In my opinion, if you strip away the media hype, the football club has handled it well whatever the outcome. I back the football department to make the right decisions.

 

so why a three year 500k contract last year?

1 minute ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I'm going to be a risk taker and make a bold prediction.

I reckon we'll ,without a doubt, where Jack's going by Friday afternoon.

 

ummmm, trade period ends thursday, uncle

1 hour ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

The strangest sense of deja vu everytime I open this thread... exact same people, saying the exact same thing for 221 pages.

Don't take it for granted its been 9 years in the making

Just now, daisycutter said:

ummmm, trade period ends thursday, uncle

I like my bold predictions to be safe dc.

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

ummmm, trade period ends thursday, uncle

Stil accurate dc by Friday we will know.

Just now, old dee said:

Stil accurate dc by Friday we will know.

by friday, old we will have a new 100 page thread. but i will await uncle's announcement on friday with bated breath

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

by friday, old we will have a new 100 page thread. but i will await uncle's announcement on friday with bated breath

Has he not already made it?

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

so why a three year 500k contract last year?

I think that the change of the head coach position since that contract was signed explains that. I think it is clear that Goodwin would not have supported that contract. As I understand it, not all on the coaching panel agree with giving jack the option of looking for other options at this stage.With something like this, within any group, you will get a range of opinions.