On 20/10/2018 at 09:50, ProDee said:

I've twice seen Andrew squib incidents this year, but he's a first year player, so you cut him slack.  One was a really bad moment. 

He may turn out to be a star but I didn't see a lot to be overly enthused by. 

Cerra on the other hand...

Gus squibbed a few times early as well...but he changed that really quickly and went from one extreme to the other.

I think Andrew is a smart footballer, but unlike Gus he is taking longer to, erm, squib the squibs. 

Unless he does, he's just a Cale Morton 2.0

  On 20/10/2018 at 10:26, DeeSpencer said:

That post was from Nov last year and with a good run of games Gus got right back to being a star.

Was I wrong?

I saw when you posted it.

You tend to become fixated with a view based on a small body of evidence.  You then run with it as fact. 

When you have a large body of material to work with I reckon you nail it better than most. 

  On 20/10/2018 at 10:39, praha said:

Gus squibbed a few times early as well...but he changed that really quickly and went from one extreme to the other.

I think Andrew is a smart footballer, but unlike Gus he is taking longer to, erm, squib the squibs. 

Unless he does, he's just a Cale Morton 2.0

I always thought Angus was a really hard at the body player from the get go and don't recall any moments of hesitation.  But I could be wrong. 

  On 20/10/2018 at 12:42, ProDee said:

I always thought Angus was a really hard at the body player from the get go and don't recall any moments of hesitation.  But I could be wrong. 

Andrew certainly didn't mind a bit of rough and tumble with big brother when we played them.  Made a tackle stick pretty good on Gus, which is a decient effort.

Had a bit of a tussle with that bloke from West Coast, Andrew Gaff too I seem to recall.

Edited October 20, 20186 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 20/10/2018 at 06:19, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Sick him Rex ... I mean Josh.

Make brother Drew a Demon.

looks quicker and a better kick than gus

  On 20/10/2018 at 07:36, Little Goffy said:

At the very least we should make enquiries and kick up rumours every single year for the rest of his career. At best we get a gun player, at worst we push up Freo's salary cap and give the Brayshaw family a little extra cash.

Well, until he is a Demon anyway 100% we should do this.

Personally I am filthy for Freo about the way they acted with Jessy.  I understand there will always be some pull for players to return to their home state and family, but to me Freo were so focused and persistent in white anting out Jessy from the start.  I also understand that with the compeditive nature of the league, clubs will always have an interest in getting good players from other teams, but to me, there is a line between trying to attract outside tallent and underhanded poaching.

Time to bring Andrew Brayshaw home - I want revenge.

Edited October 20, 20186 yr by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

  On 20/10/2018 at 12:50, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Andrew certainly didn't mind a bit of rough and tumble with big brother when we played them.  Made a tackle stick pretty good on Gus, which is a decient effort.

Had a bit of a tussle with that bloke from West Coast, Andrew Gaff too I seem to recall.

Off the ball scuffles or the odd tackle don't demonstrate much. 

Put vandenBerg, Viney, or Oliver 2 metres from a loose ball, equal distance apart and win that footy.  That tells me if you're tough. 

You usually don't go pick 2 unless you can play, so I'm more than happy to reunite them if he's good enough. 

It seems that these days there are no rules about approaching opposition players during season and even when they are contracted for more than a year ahead. It didn’t worry Ross Lyon to approach Hogan and likewise, we should be keeping a close interest on Andrew Brayshaw over the next year or so and maintaining regular contact with him over how good life is with home and family in Melbourne.

  On 20/10/2018 at 08:49, deebug said:

Gus said on his podcast that Andrew had four dead teeth, not good.

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And people worry about the welfare of Gaff...

 

  On 20/10/2018 at 20:00, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Well, until he is a Demon anyway 100% we should do this.

Personally I am filthy for Freo about the way they acted with Jessy.  I understand there will always be some pull for players to return to their home state and family, but to me Freo were so focused and persistent in white anting out Jessy from the start.  I also understand that with the compeditive nature of the league, clubs will always have an interest in getting good players from other teams, but to me, there is a line between trying to attract outside tallent and underhanded poaching.

Time to bring Andrew Brayshaw home - I want revenge.

I’m amazed Jesse still wanted to go there after the way Bell and Freo handled it last week (rumours about diligence and mental health, leaks about 8 year contracts etc).  Freo must be really good liars. 

But let’s work on Brayshaw. Did anyone get a screenshot of him wearing a Melbourne scarf in the rooms after the semi-final.  We need to get that shot out there.

  On 20/10/2018 at 23:17, Sir Why You Little said:

And people worry about the welfare of Gaff...

 

Very true

I think the MFC recruiters had miss givings about Gaff after the incident with Andrew and what effect it may have on Angus, if they recruited Gaff. A happy team is a good team

  On 21/10/2018 at 00:09, Watson11 said:

I’m amazed Jesse still wanted to go there after the way Bell and Freo handled it last week (rumours about diligence and mental health, leaks about 8 year contracts etc).  Freo must be really good liars. 

But let’s work on Brayshaw. Did anyone get a screenshot of him wearing a Melbourne scarf in the rooms after the semi-final.  We need to get that shot out there.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

AFL trade whispers: Young Fremantle players could be circuit-breakers for Jesse Hogan deal

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-whispers-young-fremantle-players-could-be-circuitbreakers-for-jesse-hogan-deal/news-story/6d5dbe87393d2fb06af54e56b7e89861

Top sports journalists like Tom Morris don't write this sort of article if there isn't any truth behind the story.

I hope we bend Freo over for any Victorians in the upcoming years. Especially if it means uniting the Brayshaw brothers.

Hated them since the Jeff White and Jeff Farmer sagas. There is some historic hatred there.

 

Sounds like the Josh Mahoney podcast interview has already been recorded.  So @Demonland, did you ask Josh how serous the conversation got to including Andrew Brayshaw as part of the Jessie Hogan deal?

Fair question. Need to ask every year about bringing Andrew Brayshaw back to Victoria.  But the Brayshaw family also has strong family ties in WA so need to prioritise keeping Angus Brayshaw.  

All a bit late .No point asking these questions unless you need to somehow internally justify an unjustifiable trade .Perhaps there was some to date unreported  attempts at lateral negotiations involving  Brayshaw and others  but as best as I can see we just took what Freo offered which was not nearly enough.

  On 20/10/2018 at 23:17, Sir Why You Little said:

And people worry about the welfare of Gaff...

 

Spot on. There was a sickening article in the Age last week about poor Gaff, what a contrast to Bugg. I know it is the off season and news is a littlethin but this one was the pits.

  On 20/10/2018 at 21:24, Blistering said:

It seems that these days there are no rules about approaching opposition players during season and even when they are contracted for more than a year ahead. It didn’t worry Ross Lyon to approach Hogan and likewise, we should be keeping a close interest on Andrew Brayshaw over the next year or so and maintaining regular contact with him over how good life is with home and family in Melbourne.

I don't think it worried us when we were interested in Jake Lever. I have no problem at all with clubs talking to players during the season. It's a professional competition and the players and the clubs are both striving to make the best deals they can. Nevertheless, I don't like the NRL system where players announce during the season that they will be playing with a different team the following year, but I suspect it will inevitably happen in the AFL and we'll all just get used to it.

  On 13/11/2018 at 03:27, Mydee said:

Spot on. There was a sickening article in the Age last week about poor Gaff, what a contrast to Bugg. I know it is the off season and news is a littlethin but this one was the pits.

I don’t understand the media stance on all this

Gaff gave out a full left arm punch to the face and is being portrayed as the long suffering victim...

strange and rather sick in my eyes

  On 13/11/2018 at 04:03, Sir Why You Little said:

I don’t understand the media stance on all this

Gaff gave out a full left arm punch to the face and is being portrayed as the long suffering victim...

strange and rather sick in my eyes

They can both be victims. Brayshaw is a victim of the physical impact while Gaff may be a psychological victim from feeling guilty. The fact that Gaff made the violent contact does not stop him from being a victim albeit one that was self-imposed.

  On 13/11/2018 at 03:27, Mydee said:

Spot on. There was a sickening article in the Age last week about poor Gaff, what a contrast to Bugg. I know it is the off season and news is a littlethin but this one was the pits.

That newspaper is toilet paper only. Poor writing, extremely poor editing and copy checking (spelling and grammar atrocious in almost every article) and heavy political bias to the left of Stalin.

  On 13/11/2018 at 04:39, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

They can both be victims. Brayshaw is a victim of the physical impact while Gaff may be a psychological victim from feeling guilty. The fact that Gaff made the violent contact does not stop him from being a victim albeit one that was self-imposed.

But Bugg can't be a victim? I think he was alluding to the differing narratives....

  On 13/11/2018 at 05:30, jnrmac said:

But Bugg can't be a victim? I think he was alluding to the differing narratives....

Bugg is a victim in the same way Gaff is. Self-inflicted, but nevertheless impacted by his own foolish action.

It's sad when the meaning of english words get expanded and twisted to fit whatever the latest liberalist agenda of the day is

gaff is not a victim. he is a protagonist just having to deal with the consequences of his unsocial and stupid actions

next we will call criminals victims because they have to do a stretch in the big house

Edited November 13, 20186 yr by daisycutter