12 minutes ago, binman said:

Goody had this to say about Jack today:

"Clearly there's a lot of hysteria around Jack and how he's performing, (but) he's improving," Goodwin said on Thursday.  

"His two games at VFL level show he's progressing and he's performing now to the level that we think is really appropriate. 

"We're really hopeful that Jack is continuing to improve and we're looking forward to seeing him play his best football shortly.

"I've said this a bit and I'll say it again, because it's clearly something that's not getting through, Jack will be treated like every other player on the list."

As someone said about him being dropped there is n mystery.  he was out of form. Got dropped and now is back. He would have to play a howler not to get selected for the finals.

But if he does have a howler i have little doubt he will be dropped. So perhaps from the perspective of being at risk of missing finals you are right and it is is his biggest game. but i can't agree that it is therefore a career game. 

So how about i amend my comment to partially mistaken. 

I can live with partially

Not that it makes much difference but I should also amend mine to 'MFC career game', I certainly didn't mean to flippantly say his whole career was on the line.

Edited August 24, 20177 yr by layzie

bombers just upgraded a bloke who was suspended for three weeks in the vfl last week so it might be a situation where they have to be upgraded to be eligible for finals or something?

1 minute ago, DemonAndrew said:

bombers just upgraded a bloke who was suspended for three weeks in the vfl last week so it might be a situation where they have to be upgraded to be eligible for finals or something?

That may be it.  I guess it is important to have as many players as possible available going into the finals just in case.  Nonetheless I am really happy for Keilty's upgrade. 

And, it shows mfc is giving our rookies a real go - 4 of our 6 rookies have been upgraded this year.

Suggested in the Dec thread ....

Could be that we want to name Dec as an emergency so he needs to be on the list.

Could be that TMac is out for Frost and they want a tall emergency.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Goody had this to say about Jack today:

"Clearly there's a lot of hysteria around Jack and how he's performing, (but) he's improving," Goodwin said on Thursday.  

"His two games at VFL level show he's progressing and he's performing now to the level that we think is really appropriate. 

"We're really hopeful that Jack is continuing to improve and we're looking forward to seeing him play his best football shortly.

"I've said this a bit and I'll say it again, because it's clearly something that's not getting through, Jack will be treated like every other player on the list."

As someone said about him being dropped there is n mystery.  he was out of form. Got dropped and now is back. He would have to play a howler not to get selected for the finals.

But if he does have a howler i have little doubt he will be dropped. So perhaps from the perspective of being at risk of missing finals you are right and it is is his biggest game. but i can't agree that it is therefore a career game. 

So how about i amend my comment to partially mistaken. 

 

2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Jack Watts has the opportunity to be a legend of this footy club over the next two months.

don't fear for him, he haas played 150 games, his time is now.

Agree with all the aforementioned, with the exception that Jack Watts has an opportunity to become legends for the club over the next 2 - 6 years (as do many players with his potential on our list).  Let's face it if we hope to be a good team and play dominant seasons, finals and grand finals in that sort of period, then it presents a lot of opportunities.  To gauge a player's ultimate value to the team simply on what they produce in the next few weeks is foolish in the extreme  (not accusing you of that Wrecker).

I often think our expectations of players are unrealistically high.  There are few players in the history of the game that have gone through their careers without some kind of form slump and very few key position forwards that have been dominant players early in their career.  Again if we are realistic, Jack Watts is not really a traditional key forward and will probably never be a bone crunching courageous marking type, but he has the potential to be an extremely damaging player in his own way through his elite feild vission, feild passing and shots on goal.  Whilst he has let us down with perceived effort/courage on many occasions during his development  (and even some recient history), he has also stood up on many occasions in big moments and been a match winner in games.  As we improve as a side, I think life will actually get easier for Watts and as well as him gaining in confidence and understanding of what it required.

For this week, going his on the contested possessions, tackling and report/MRP that he has produced at Casey, he clearly has the intent back and that combined with Jack Watts playing at even half his potential best is better than what either Wagner, Stretch or Hannan have produced in recient weeks.  The up-side to Watts far surpasses any of the aforementioned.

I think that there might be a deadline for nominating rookie upgrades so the decision to lift Declan Keilty onto the list might not necessarily indicate he's going to play this week but the club would want to have the ability to pick him if we make the finals and he's needed then.

Just watched Goody's presser.  I've never known a coach to say nothing so often. 

Not that I care. 

5 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just watched Goody's presser.  I've never known a coach to say nothing so often. 

Not that I care. 

I might be in the minority, but I like that. He can pick his moments in the media, otherwise just play a straight bat and do the talking behind the scenes and on the field. 

7 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just watched Goody's presser.  I've never known a coach to say nothing so often. 

Not that I care. 

You forgotten his predecessor?

7 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Just watched Goody's presser.  I've never known a coach to say nothing so often. 

Not that I care. 

He learnt from The Master

Keilty has been upgraded.. Saw it mentioned somewhere on here that TMac is nursing a slight knee niggle so I guess he'll be the replacement.

Now we know why Frosty was so glum at training, perhaps justifiably so.

Edited August 24, 20177 yr by watchtheeyes

17 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I might be in the minority, but I like that. He can pick his moments in the media, otherwise just play a straight bat and do the talking behind the scenes and on the field. 

I love how wooden and unstressed he is. Would hate to have a heart on his sleeve indefensible nuffie like Hardwick for a coach.

Edited August 24, 20177 yr by Wrecked Owl Dees Function

Keilty will be an emergency this week, just to give him a taste of the pre-game routine, and incase a big man goes down. Was told it was a reward for his latest form.

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He learnt from The Master

I just take them with a grain of salt. About 5% of the content provides insight. 

Goodwin when discussing Jack Watts referred to other players also being looked at, however Frost wasn't mentioned. Considering that Grundy will be back and Cox might also stay in the side, would have thought there was a role for Sam. Not looking good for him.

"Goodwin said the match committee would also look at Christian Salem, Corey Maynard and Jay Kennedy-Harris when picking its 22 to take on Collingwood at the MCG on Saturday."

 

42 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 

Agree with all the aforementioned, with the exception that Jack Watts has an opportunity to become legends for the club over the next 2 - 6 years (as do many players with his potential on our list).  Let's face it if we hope to be a good team and play dominant seasons, finals and grand finals in that sort of period, then it presents a lot of opportunities.  To gauge a player's ultimate value to the team simply on what they produce in the next few weeks is foolish in the extreme  (not accusing you of that Wrecker).

I often think our expectations of players are unrealistically high.  There are few players in the history of the game that have gone through their careers without some kind of form slump and very few key position forwards that have been dominant players early in their career.  Again if we are realistic, Jack Watts is not really a traditional key forward and will probably never be a bone crunching courageous marking type, but he has the potential to be an extremely damaging player in his own way through his elite feild vission, feild passing and shots on goal.  Whilst he has let us down with perceived effort/courage on many occasions during his development  (and even some recient history), he has also stood up on many occasions in big moments and been a match winner in games.  As we improve as a side, I think life will actually get easier for Watts and as well as him gaining in confidence and understanding of what it required.

For this week, going his on the contested possessions, tackling and report/MRP that he has produced at Casey, he clearly has the intent back and that combined with Jack Watts playing at even half his potential best is better than what either Wagner, Stretch or Hannan have produced in recient weeks.  The up-side to Watts far surpasses any of the aforementioned.

When you haven't won a premiership in half your memberships lifetime you are THE legend if you produce when it counts.

Jack Watts can be that player.

Jack's Back!!! ???

 

➡️ Ins: Jack Watts, Christian Salem

⬅️ Outs: Billy Stretch (Omitted), Josh Wagner (Omitted)

Watts, Salem in, Stretch, Wagner out as per Simons selections 

9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Jack's Back!!! ???

 

➡️ Ins: Jack Watts, Christian Salem

⬅️ Outs: Billy Stretch (Omitted), Josh Wagner (Omitted)

Perfect changes. Finals here we come!

Looks great on paper - just hope they will look great on the park!

Very happy about that we really need all the kicking skill that we possess out there on Saturday. I know that we can and we should so why am I feeling so anxious and apprehensive..........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Dee's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

13 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Jack's Back!!! ???

 

➡️ Ins: Jack Watts, Christian Salem

⬅️ Outs: Billy Stretch (Omitted), Josh Wagner (Omitted)

Happy with that

1 hour ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

 

Agree with all the aforementioned, with the exception that Jack Watts has an opportunity to become legends for the club over the next 2 - 6 years (as do many players with his potential on our list).  Let's face it if we hope to be a good team and play dominant seasons, finals and grand finals in that sort of period, then it presents a lot of opportunities.  To gauge a player's ultimate value to the team simply on what they produce in the next few weeks is foolish in the extreme  (not accusing you of that Wrecker).

I often think our expectations of players are unrealistically high.  There are few players in the history of the game that have gone through their careers without some kind of form slump and very few key position forwards that have been dominant players early in their career.  Again if we are realistic, Jack Watts is not really a traditional key forward and will probably never be a bone crunching courageous marking type, but he has the potential to be an extremely damaging player in his own way through his elite feild vission, feild passing and shots on goal.  Whilst he has let us down with perceived effort/courage on many occasions during his development  (and even some recient history), he has also stood up on many occasions in big moments and been a match winner in games.  As we improve as a side, I think life will actually get easier for Watts and as well as him gaining in confidence and understanding of what it required.

For this week, going his on the contested possessions, tackling and report/MRP that he has produced at Casey, he clearly has the intent back and that combined with Jack Watts playing at even half his potential best is better than what either Wagner, Stretch or Hannan have produced in recient weeks.  The up-side to Watts far surpasses any of the aforementioned.

What he  said

Probably only jack Viney off our best 22 

Watts and Salem in. 

Wagner and Stretch out.