So it comes down to the final round.

The equation is simple. Win and we make finals. Lose by 3 goals or more and WCE wins by 3 goals or more and we miss out*.

* I'll go out on a short limb and assume Essendon beats Freo. Ok ok we can lose and Essendon can lose and we still make it. Dream away.

The first question is simple. Will we make the finals?

Here's the ladder predictor to help you: http://www.afl.com.au/ladder/ladder-predictor

Second question is tougher and has been asked a number of times during the year. Given the way things have gone down this year, do you view not making the finals this year as a failure?

 

I've decided that we are going to destroy Collingwood this week, it will be a comfortable seven goal win.

3 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I've decided that we are going to destroy Collingwood this week, it will be a comfortable seven goal win.

Simon and the Lads will be most happy to hear of that.  Done deal 

We darn well better. A coming of age performance where we leave no question as to who was the better team on the day. That's what I'd love to see at this point.

Missing the finals won't be a failure because we'll still finish with 2 more wins than last year, which means whatever happens on the weekend, 2017 has been a step forward. Thinking about how far we've come since Roos arrived puts things in perspective.

4 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

Missing the finals won't be a failure because we'll still finish with 2 more wins than last year, which means whatever happens on the weekend, 2017 has been a step forward. Thinking about how far we've come since Roos arrived puts things in perspective.

"When you see a chance, take it"

Going into the last round we are sitting 7th. 

Missing Fiinals from here would be a fail. 

Nowhere to hide...

40 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I've decided that we are going to destroy Collingwood this week, it will be a comfortable seven goal win.

What website am I on?

7 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

"When you see a chance, take it"

Going into the last round we are sitting 7th. 

Missing Fiinals from here would be a fail. 

Nowhere to hide...

It would make next week a failure but I wouldn't judge the entire year off one game.

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

What website am I on?

website ?? ...Parallel dimension !! 

15 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

Missing the finals won't be a failure because we'll still finish with 2 more wins than last year, which means whatever happens on the weekend, 2017 has been a step forward. Thinking about how far we've come since Roos arrived puts things in perspective.

Please take no offence. That's an apologist's stance.  You are where you are and yo do what you can do. Right now we can cement a place in the finals  and THAT is the litmus. 

If we dont.It is undeniably a failure because , for the simple reason, we can.  If we couldnt then yo might apply all those other parameters and regurgitate it into a  "well we did better than last year"

This for mine is where much of this falls into disrepute as argument. Success or failure is really about the now. It's what you CAN achieve NOW, and whether you do.

The goal posts literally move in this debate.

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Please take no offence. That's an apologist's stance.  You are where you are and yo do what you can do. Right now we can cement a place in the finals  and THAT is the litmus. 

If we dont.It is undeniably a failure because , for the simple reason, we can.  If we couldnt then yo might apply all those other parameters and regurgitate it into a  "well we did better than last year"

This for mine is where much of this falls into disrepute as argument. Success or failure is really about the now. It's what you CAN achieve NOW, and whether you do.

The goal posts literally move in this debate.

Well, what if we lose to Collingwood but Adelaide beat West Coast and we make the eight. Are we undeniably a failure because we didn't beat Collingwood in Round 23, or are we a success because Adelaide won and we made finals? I'm not basing our entire year on who wins out of  West Coast vs Adelaide.

1 minute ago, ShaneJ said:

Well, what if we lose to Collingwood but Adelaide beat West Coast and we make the eight. Are we undeniably a failure because we didn't beat Collingwood in Round 23, or are we a success because Adelaide won and we made finals? I'm not basing our entire year on who wins out of  West Coast vs Adelaide.

Quantifiably , certainly. To a degree. If that were to transpire.

Personally I can't see the Crows losing to the Weagles at this juncture.

I put it to yo though that to fall into the finals in that manner is akin to getting a comp pass at HSC/VCE. Yes yo 're there...but really ?  and for how long ?

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

So it comes down to the final round.

The equation is simple. Win and we make finals. Lose by 3 goals or more and WCE wins by 3 goals or more and we miss out*.

* I'll go out on a short limb and assume Essendon beats Freo. Ok ok we can lose and Essendon can lose and we still make it. Dream away.

The first question is simple. Will we make the finals?

Here's the ladder predictor to help you: http://www.afl.com.au/ladder/ladder-predictor

Second question is tougher and has been asked a number of times during the year. Given the way things have gone down this year, do you view not making the finals this year as a failure?

 

Sportsbet have us at $1.02 to make top 8 and $11 to miss out. 

25% of you need to harden up and demand more of the club. Missing finals would be a failure. Stop making up excuses and demand more or we will never get anywhere. Successful teams are never satisfied.

If we missed finals it would be a failure at this time of season and in the position we are in, simple as that.

Also it would suck big hairy donkey balls.

I think we can win the next 2 games by an aggregate of 100 points.

60 points V Collingwood.

40 points V Sydney (elimination final, SCG)

Great poll!

I put undecided for the second question only because at the start of the year I think 12 wins and I and many here would have been pretty happy with that, and see it as an indication that the list and club as a whole has improved.

That said, I completely agree with people saying that we are currently 7th and losing this week when we have our finals destiny completely in our own hands, and to lose would mean failure from where we are currently positioned is equally justifiable.

The 'experts' still see the Pies as a chance - I'm sick of this talk

If we bring the same intensity to this game, we'll win well

Season

Defining

Game

unless we lose and WC also lose. then it didnt define jack

We have our destiny in our own hands. Beating a team who will not play finals is a MUST!!!

It all come down to attitude;

WE CAN, WE WILL, WE MUST

If someone had said at the beginning of the year that we'd lose Hogan and Gawn for half the season, plus other leading players for long stretches, most of us would have been happy with being around the mark of last year. Instead, we already have 12 wins, including wins away and against top teams, and will probably play finals.

Success, whatever happens this weekend.

I think it is a must to beat the filth because I suspect that the eagles will beat the crows. The crows played a hard game against Sydney and already have top 2 sewn up. It could get down to them wanting to host say Richmond than the cats or GWS which could determine their effort.

West Coast also had a tough game last week, Adelaide won't want to go into finals losing 2 in a row

On the one hand, I hate loosing with a passion and take significant displeasure in this continual development focus talk, where the coaching staff seem less worried about individual win/losses etc as opposed to developing players and team culture, but on the other hand just making finals doesn't cut it as season defining success either.

I watched too many good, but not good enough MFC sides make finals through the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s, only to never deliver a premership for the club, that just making finals means next to nothing unless we have a team that delivers the next flag.  Whilst I'd never write us off winning a flag, based on the best we've been able to produce this year, on current form I'm not convinced we will go deep into September should we make it.  That could quickly change if we get in the grove over the next few weeks, but realistically I think that’s a bit of a long shot.

If we don't beat Collingwood and WC beat GWS, we don't deserve to be playing finals anyway.  Unless we go all the way, anything in between is just an indicator of where we are going as far as I'm concerned and making or missing finals is neither success or failure as far as I'm concerned.

 The last thing I want out of this last rebuild is a teams like North and Freo have been over the last 10 - 15 years, making finals, but never good enough to win a flag.  It's pulling in a flag sometime in the next 8 years that says our season has been a success.  I think Roos and Goodwin have that mentality and I'm hoping like hell, Goody and the team has the ability to deliver it. 

 

So Yes make finals and Undecided (read neither succeed or failed) just on making finals for me.

5 hours ago, ShaneJ said:

It would make next week a failure but I wouldn't judge the entire year off one game.

We sit in different chairs

you are soft