5 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

Had our great FD not sold the farm for a 3rd up back with an ACL history (who subsequently did an ACL in his first year at the club), then maybe we would already have May this year. FMD!

Lever is more important, and better, than May. He was worth every penny we spent on him. 

3 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

We can, but why would GCS want that? They would be better waiting a year then getting the compo pick. We'd be better waiting as well because we won't have to give up anything next year. I always thought we might be getting to him as an early move for next season.

Of course if he comes out and says he's desperate to get to the Dees that changes everything and the asking price might lower. 

I don't think it's this simple though. They seem to want May out now. They won't want to wait.

Freo's potential bluff could well back fire on multiple fronts.

May is reportedly on around $900k.

Mahoney was probably being upfront when he said we couldn't afford him and keep Hogan.

Not to mention finding the requisite draft pick to trade.

May to the bulldogs is my bet 

4 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Lever is more important, and better, than May. He was worth every penny we spent on him. 

If calling 'worth every penny we spent on him' doing an ACL and sitting on the sidelines, then yeah. He had a prior ACL history, we paid overs, then he did his ACL in his first year at the club. Those are the cold hard facts. It backfired on our great football department, and this is more to the point I was trying to make to the other poster (Moonshadow), who ridiculously suggested that posters shouldn't question our football department, which is a brain dead statement to make. It presumes that the football department gets it right every time, which it doesn't. The Lever trade is a perfect example of that.

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

May to the bulldogs is my bet 

I’m thinking this too. Crying out for him. 

4 hours ago, Dr.D said:

No way am I happy with trading out ANB. The guy is a bloody good player. He kicked 27 goals this year which is a great return for a guy that pushes up the field a lot. 

The issue is you need to give something to get something and we need a key back more than a 2nd string mid

7 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

If calling 'worth every penny we spent on him' doing an ACL and sitting on the sidelines, then yeah. He had a prior ACL history, we paid overs, then he did his ACL in his first year at the club. Those are the cold hard facts. It backfired on our great football department, and this is more to the point I was trying to make to the other poster (Moonshadow), who ridiculously suggested that posters shouldn't question our football department, which is a brain dead statement to make. It presumes that the football department gets it right every time, which it doesn't. The Lever trade is a perfect example of that.

We will agree to disagree. Before the injury Lever was on fire and our defence was superb. His skills and leadership was excellent. He has a decade left as a player and he will slot back in very nicely next year. He could also be a future captain of the club. 

I think we paid a very fair price, but happy to agree to disagree on this one, King. 

If we could work out the money to pay May, would Frost and our 2019 1st rounder be enough for GC? I don’t see how Frost would want to stick around being 4th in line Key Defender!

6 minutes ago, xman97 said:

If we could work out the money to pay May, would Frost and our 2019 1st rounder be enough for GC? I don’t see how Frost would want to stick around being 4th in line Key Defender!

Hard to see GC going for it but I am sure the FD are running through all the combinations.

Remember though the traded player has to agree to the trade and GC isn't exactly a destination club at present.

38 minutes ago, A F said:

I don't think it's this simple though. They seem to want May out now. They won't want to wait.

Freo's potential bluff could well back fire on multiple fronts.

Yes but our only currency at the moment is a first round next year, as much as they might want him out, they won't risk getting a pick 15+ when they are going to get pick 5 or below

6 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Yes but our only currency at the moment is a first round next year, as much as they might want him out, they won't risk getting a pick 15+ when they are going to get pick 5 or below

needs a player to be added.... someone who is regular 22 and ranked in that 8-15 area of the playing list.

Perhaps a Fritsch might do it but I would hate to see him go.

Then of course you need to find the money.... sure we could back end but that will get in the way of more money for the likes of Oliver etc as they come out of contract.

Never say never but it just strikes me as a bridge too far.

Edited October 12, 20186 yr by Diamond_Jim

May to Collingwood now. Nothing surer.

7 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

May to Collingwood now. Nothing surer.

Nope. Unlikely. 

38 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

needs a player to be added.... someone who is regular 22 and ranked in that 8-15 area of the playing list.

Perhaps a Fritsch might do it but I would hate to see him go.

Then of course you need to find the money.... sure we could back end but that will get in the way of more money for the likes of Oliver etc as they come out of contract.

Never say never but it just strikes me as a bridge too far.

We would have saved a bit of coin with the Tyson/BP trade, but I can't work out who they're accept. Frost has been raised but they'd want more, I just can't see it happening this year. Plus with lever back I think our defence is more than ok

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Lever is more important, and better, than May. He was worth every penny we spent on him. 

Good player. Although the KingDinga has a point about the ACL, we should've mentioned that when trading for him. It was after all the reason we didn't just pick him at number 3 in the draft. Freo are spreading all sorts of stuff about Hogan right now. It wouldn't have killed us to at least bring up Lever's history.

Lever's best 3 games came against Jacob Townsend, Pat Kerr and Darcy Fogarty. Hopefully we get him healthy and he can start playing CHB against some real footballers and doing the same thing he was doing against no names.

If he develops well he'll help a gun full back by stopping the ball every getting down there, but if we have a gun full back he'll help Lever by covering up deep in defence.

Who's more valuable? Maybe Lever because he's younger and could be a long term leader. Who's better? Well we need both of them and we desperately need a big time stopper in May.

It’s May to Collingwood or Bulldogs this trade period. 

Or it’s a May bidding free agency frenzy in 2019.  

7 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

It’s May to Collingwood or Bulldogs this trade period. 

Or it’s a May bidding free agency frenzy in 2019.  

May is already, reportedly, on $900000. It will not be about the money. He wants success and will go, for about the same money, to wherever he believes he is more likely to find it.

2 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Had our great FD not sold the farm for a 3rd up back with an ACL history (who subsequently did an ACL in his first year at the club), then maybe we would already have May this year. FMD!

Winner..

Never pay too high...  leaves you short, when you need it most.

Maybe Goodwin can pull a rabbit out of the hat and turn Jesse into a far better FB than May?

If we traded pick 5 to Gold Coast for May, we’d also get pick 29 back in return 

Suns only have 5 list spots, and would have picks 2,3,19,24 and 29. Add 5 and they’d have to get rid of a pick 

3 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

Had our great FD not sold the farm for a 3rd up back with an ACL history (who subsequently did an ACL in his first year at the club), then maybe we would already have May this year. FMD!

I am able to follow some of what happening in a fast moving landscape. However, I am certain that you have no idea and know SFA 

3 hours ago, KingDingAling said:

If calling 'worth every penny we spent on him' doing an ACL and sitting on the sidelines, then yeah. He had a prior ACL history, we paid overs, then he did his ACL in his first year at the club. Those are the cold hard facts. It backfired on our great football department, and this is more to the point I was trying to make to the other poster (Moonshadow), who ridiculously suggested that posters shouldn't question our football department, which is a brain dead statement to make. It presumes that the football department gets it right every time, which it doesn't. The Lever trade is a perfect example of that.

Yeah, that's exactly what I wrote.

FMD!

Watch out Josh Mahoney and Todd Viney, there's a a new Dingaling in town! And he knows what's best for our list....

18 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

If we traded pick 5 to Gold Coast for May, we’d also get pick 29 back in return 

Suns only have 5 list spots, and would have picks 2,3,19,24 and 29. Add 5 and they’d have to get rid of a pick 

Remember, the Suns need mature players, more than U-18's...  this year.

I expect them to trade out some early picks yet, to bring these players in... and also the live pick trading during the National Draft, will IMO also see some future picks traded in, via trade.

 

I think the Suns will end up with more mature players, yet.  this coming few days.

The mostly youth plan has failed them, miserably.

 

 

1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Winner..

Never pay too high...  leaves you short, when you need it most.

Or leaves you with absolutely nothing. (See Fremantle forward line 2019)

There are 2 problems in the May scenario, getting him and fitting him in the salary cap.

Dealing with the second first, he could be paid a modest amount in 19 and then more in later years as more players like Lewis and Jones retire and others are moved on.

Getting him is harder unless GC are really desperate to move him on and are prepared to help. Our first pick next year and maybe a bundling of some of our picks this year and a player or two might be able to get it done though it would be highly unlikely. Would they have any interest in JKH, Wagner, Keilty, Joel Smith, Billy Stretch, Jeffy, ANB, Tim Smith as part of a pick/player package?