Welcome to Demonland: Jake Lever

[chook fowler 19,459]

My sphincter went into spasm when I saw the deal. Hope he's worth it.

[Jaded No More 68,966]

What will people say if our 1st pick next year is pick 18? Did we pay over?

We could finish top 4, and with compensation picks etc it might well end up pushing towards the end of the 1st round anyway.

Besides, we have commodities on our list that we can trade for a 1st rounder next year if we felt very strongly after getting someone specific in the so called 'super draft' (e.g.- Salem, Brayshaw, who knows maybe even Weids if he has a good season). I'm not saying we should trade any of our better players, but if we desperately wanted to get back into next year's 1st round, we could make it happen.

Everybody is so quick to think their club has gotten screwed in a deal, but sometimes it's a win win and believe me there isn't 1 Crows fan or administrator who wouldn't give us those picks back to still have Lever. He is an exceptional player with massive scope for further development, and he immediately makes us a better side. Considering we were 0.05% off finals last year, adding someone of Lever's calibre to the team is a huge boost! 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

Is it too early to put him on the demonland banner?

[beelzebub 23,380]

1 minute ago, Jaded said:

What will people say if our 1st pick next year is pick 18? Did we pay over?

 

Now Jaded, you're not seriously expecting the many to understand the fluidity of the currency ? Whilst somewhat speculative in nature the idea of evaluating any forward picks based upon expected /hoped outcomes whilst risky  is if nothing else expressing a confidence if not a fairly agreed upon expectation of where we OUGHT to finish.

Then again for some it seems it's all about collecting the best deck of cards, for others....it's winning games.

Money/picks....has no real value other than what yo DO with it.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,235]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

A reminder that we now have picks 27, 35 and 45 heading into this draft.

Given certain club's needs to obtain multiple draft picks for points for father/son or academy zone players, it's not out of the question that we won't once again make a play to get back into the first round.

So again, [censored] relax.

I think the AFL had changed this slightly haven't they? Pretty sure clubs can now only take as many picks to the draft as they spots on their list. So packaging up 3 picks in the 30s to give to Brisbane for pick 12 (for example) may not work if Brisbane then has too many picks vs spots on the list.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,235]

1 hour ago, Bring Back Barassi said:

Luke Ball said he would not play for any club other than Collingwood, and if anyone picked him he would sit out the season. From memory i think he got picked at 30, Saints got nothing

They changed the rules after that and it's draft tampering.

[BAMF 4,358]

So happy that we got him.

But we paid way over. We should have got a 2nd rounder back if we were paying 2 firsts.

The Treloar deal was the benchmark.

Why we had to also give up a late pick is beyond me. If anything we should have got an extra late back as the minimum.

We caved.

[durango 2,008]

It seems when every we make a trade all the geniuses on this site speculate we have paid over the last 3 were Melksham Hibberd and Lever. Hopefully the later will produce a season as good if not better than the other 2.

[DaveyDee 421]

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Welcome to the club Jake!

It's a good trade and the value is very similar to 10 + 27 which everyone seemed happy with.

10 + 12(?) + 66(?) for Lever + 35 + 53(?)

And yes you owe the site a donation - say $100 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

On 05/04/2017 at 2:33 AM, Dappa Dan said:

What about first rounder this year and next. That would be enough to get it done you'd think, even with us considered likely to be later in the first round this year and next. What do demonlanders think of that though?

Good idea.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just now, Wrecker45 said:

Good idea.

I hate when I'm right.

[Axis of Bob 11,836]

Two things.

We could drag it out, but getting a deal done early means that we can do other deals too.

We have consistently shown players and player managers that we are a club that can get a deal done. That makes us a more attractive club for players. It's probably post of the reason why Lever chose us.

[Pennant St Dee 13,241]

Welcome to the club Jake 

On first glance looked like overs giving up first-round pick next year but a few things when viewing the deal in its entirety.

1. The defence just improved dramatically with

   a) biggest deficiency - namely lack of intercept marker to rebound is now covered

   b) Hibberd no longer has to float across as third man up and can now provide greater attacking penetration with his ball use

    c) The domino effect with Lever and Hibberd reduces the accountability on Hunt and allows him to run and carry more

   d ) Bernie Vince can now solely be used at what he now does best when match ups require it -Tag

2. The deal getting done early is clearly showing we are not done yet and have other moves in the pipeline 

3. With the anticipated 2nd rounder coming for Watts we will have 3 x 2nd rounders.

4. I susect we will give up 2 of those 2nd rounders to get back into the 1st round.

5. I also suspect Kent and/or JKH and a change of picks somewhere will be part of the Balic deal

[drdrake 3,178]

1 hour ago, w00dy said:

I think they will now and try to package up 35 with Watts to get back in the first round.  

Spot on, pick 29 and 35 to Bne for 19. Or 28, 29 and 45 to Gold Coast for 20 and 22

[Members' Wing 1,106]

Interestingly enough, using the AFL draft points calculator, we've actually paid LESS than our initial offer of 10+27 (2100 points). Cannot for the life of me understand the tantrums on here. We've just landed the best young defender in the competition for the equivalent of a first rounder and a second rounder. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

3 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Interestingly enough, using the AFL draft points calculator, we've actually paid LESS than our initial offer of 10+27 (2100 points). Cannot for the life of me understand the tantrums on here. We've just landed the best young defender in the competition for the equivalent of a first rounder and a second rounder. 

 

Interesting. Good get.

Doesn't change the fact that a 2018 pick is worth more than a 2017 equivalent. But still well done on the sums.

[Bonkers 994]

16 minutes ago, BAMF said:

So happy that we got him.

But we paid way over. We should have got a 2nd rounder back if we were paying 2 firsts.

The Treloar deal was the benchmark.

Why we had to also give up a late pick is beyond me. If anything we should have got an extra late back as the minimum.

We caved.

We got a second rounder back. Pick 35 was the Cows second rounder this year.

[Sydee 4,450]

Hi Jake

Great that you decided to join us at the MFC welcome aboard. We all hope that you will raise the premiership cup in red and blue soon.

Good luck for a stellar 2018 season

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, Bonkers said:

We got a second rounder back. Pick 35 was the Cows second rounder this year.

Technically, yes. But it's almost the last pick of the second round. In a weak draft.

It's still good though. Pick 35 with our recruiters is worth about pick 19 with the Pies recruiters.

[Wells 11 5,408]

5 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

Interestingly enough, using the AFL draft points calculator, we've actually paid LESS than our initial offer of 10+27 (2100 points). Cannot for the life of me understand the tantrums on here. We've just landed the best young defender in the competition for the equivalent of a first rounder and a second rounder. 

 

Bang on. Seems like everyone is full of negativity at the mo. We just landed a big fish. yes we paid 2 x 1st rounders but we got a second rounder back and to me it looks about right. 

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

30 minutes ago, Jaded said:

What will people say if our 1st pick next year is pick 18?

For me, it would be something like "You f*#&@!* beauty!"

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Something doesn't make sense to me about this trade.  The rules are pretty clear that if you trade a future 1st Round pick, you can't trade any of your other future picks, yet somehow we're trading our future 1st & 4th Round Picks.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-08-06/future-trading-given-goahead-but-with-restrictions

I'm not to concerned about the cost we've paid for Lever.  Lets say worst case scenario, both teams finish in the same position as last year.  It means we've paid Pick 10x2 (1395+1395) and a Pick 64 (101) which totals 2891.  Adelaide have paid Pick 35 (522) a Pick 53 (233) which totals 755 leaving a shortfall of 2136 (Lever's worth) which falls inbetween Pick 3 & 4, which is probably close to what he'd be worth in a straight swap.  All balances out for me.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

People  think “first round pick” means “top ten pick”. Pick 10 and Pick Teen is what Melbourne gave up if the Dees improve in 2018. Bottom half of 1st round is not much better than the top half of 2nd round. Even if 2018 is a superdraft. ("Next year's draft" is always a superdraft.)  Chuck in the pick flips and we have done well picking up a highly rated 21 year old with exposed form. 

[DemonOX 8,791]

52 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Not sure about you DOX but I could care less about next years draft (looks like Footy Dept are in same boat), I care about us making a deep run into finals next year. This helps us do that.

Cards I know Lever makes us better and hopefully will help in pushing for finals next season ( although the way it finished this yr I’m not holding my breath) but I am concerned we have overpaid and given the cows what they wanted. 

Time will tell. 

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

1 minute ago, MadAsHell said:

Something doesn't make sense to me about this trade.  The rules are pretty clear that if you trade a future 1st Round pick, you can't trade any of your other future picks, yet somehow we're trading our future 1st & 4th Round Picks.

There's a lot of confusion about that rule. Geelong broke it, but requested permission from the AFL, which they gave. I feel like it's something that would have cancelled the trade had that rule still been in effect. So we should be ok.