Clarence Oliver

[Watts the matter 1,235]

55 minutes ago, Dees_In_October said:

If Oliver won the Brownlow, I don't think I'd be able to stand the masses' cries of "Stager! Diver!" Gah, I'm angry just thinking about it. But it probably won't happen, this year at least. Will be nice to watch the count with Dees players wracking up some good numbers for once though.

I'm pretty sure the conversation would turn to his speaking skills pretty quickly.

[Demon_spurs 1,833]

What's the odds for him to poll top 5?

[Lord Travis 10,696]

Is Clayton Oliver statistically the best second year player ever? The only other players I can remember such an impact in their second seasons were Chris Judd and Joel Selwood. Is anyone able to somehow check his second season stats against other superstars? 

This kid is a ripper. He's had an unbelievable season for someone so young, and will be the main ball winner in our midfield for the next 10 years!

[Skuit 10,030]

49 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Is Clayton Oliver statistically the best second year player ever? The only other players I can remember such an impact in their second seasons were Chris Judd and Joel Selwood. Is anyone able to somehow check his second season stats against other superstars? 

This kid is a ripper. He's had an unbelievable season for someone so young, and will be the main ball winner in our midfield for the next 10 years!

I think you can compare player-to-player by year at footywire. Though in my mind there is no doubt that Clarry is comparatively a fair way ahead. 

[Beetle 4,601]

56 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Is Clayton Oliver statistically the best second year player ever? The only other players I can remember such an impact in their second seasons were Chris Judd and Joel Selwood. Is anyone able to somehow check his second season stats against other superstars? 

This kid is a ripper. He's had an unbelievable season for someone so young, and will be the main ball winner in our midfield for the next 10 years!

Cannot believe he doesn't get spoken about in higher regard by the "experts".

Each week his stats, especially contested possessions seem to just get passed over..

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5 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Cannot believe he doesn't get spoken about in higher regard by the "experts".

Each week his stats, especially contested possessions seem to just get passed over..

Happyfor him to fly under the radar for the time being. He shouldn't be in contention for the Brownlow, he's had a very good year but not that good. 

He'll get his due recognition in time. 

[SaberFang 7,151]

8 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Cannot believe he doesn't get spoken about in higher regard by the "experts".

The media fall over themselves to gush over Bontempelli when he so much as farts.

You barely hear a mention about Clarry in the media. Shamefully biased.

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9 hours ago, SaberFang said:

The media fall over themselves to gush over Bontempelli when he so much as farts.

You barely hear a mention about Clarry in the media. Shamefully biased.

100% agree. If Bontempelli was pulling Oliver's numbers this year the media would be wetting themselves with articles about him every fortnight. 

[BAMF 4,299]

10 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Is Clayton Oliver statistically the best second year player ever? The only other players I can remember such an impact in their second seasons were Chris Judd and Joel Selwood. Is anyone able to somehow check his second season stats against other superstars? 

This kid is a ripper. He's had an unbelievable season for someone so young, and will be the main ball winner in our midfield for the next 10 years!

Oliver vs Selwood at the same age.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4166&fid1=O&playerStatus2=A&tid2=10&pid2=1725&fid2=O&type=A

Oliver beats him apart from frees received ?

[BAMF 4,299]

Oliver vs Judd at same age.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4166&fid1=O&playerStatus2=I&tid2=4&pid2=109&fid2=O&type=A

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

On 8/2/2017 at 3:57 AM, brendan said:

Clarry is just taking the pizz with those numbers

by the way how did he not make the team of the week, do they only put players in from a winning side, had a much better game than coniglio who made the bench 

When they listed Coniglio to justify his selection they listed his stats and Oliver's blew his out of the water in every way.

[Lucifers Hero 39,557]

10 hours ago, Beetle said:

Cannot believe he doesn't get spoken about in higher regard by the "experts".

Each week his stats, especially contested possessions seem to just get passed over..

He plays for Melbourne and we don't sell newspapers nor are high value click bait!  The Vic media plays to the big membership clubs and we ain't one of them, yet!

Look at this: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/top-afl-forwardhalf-pressure-numbers-revealed-in-the-drill-podcast/news-story/ccfa5915beec1bedf0b446e0a486b268

That story is all about Tippa at Ess and Rioli and Castagna of Rich as the 1st, 4th and 5th ranked players for forward turnovers and scores from them.  And who were 2nd and 3rd for both measures?  None other than our very own ANB (2nd) and Jeffy (3rd)but barely a word said about them.  Many of our players are underrated in the media until they can no longer ignore their elite performance eg Jetta. The article also shows what an asset ANB is for us who still goes under the radar a bit (even on this site).

Its really poor by the media that very deserving players get so little exposure. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,557]

32 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He plays for Melbourne and we don't sell newspapers nor are high value click bait!  The Vic media plays to the big membership clubs and we ain't one of them, yet!

Look at this: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/top-afl-forwardhalf-pressure-numbers-revealed-in-the-drill-podcast/news-story/ccfa5915beec1bedf0b446e0a486b268

That story is all about Tippa at Ess and Rioli and Castagna of Rich as the 1st, 4th and 5th ranked players for forward turnovers and scores from them.  And who were 2nd and 3rd for both measures?  None other than our very own ANB (2nd) and Jeffy (3rd)but barely a word said about them.  Many of our players are underrated in the media until they can no longer ignore their elite performance eg Jetta. The article also shows what an asset ANB is for us who still goes under the radar a bit (even on this site).

Its really poor by the media that our very deserving players get so little exposure. 

Accidentally quoted this but can't find the 'delete' post button

Edited August 3, 2017 by Lucifer's Hero

[Gorgoroth 12,920]

 He handballs too much to get the same sort of love the Bont gets.  

[daisycutter 29,604]

16 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

 He handballs too much to get the same sort of love the Bont gets.  

this is the reason. he is in possession of the ball for such a short time that if you blink you miss him

[whatwhat say what 22,683]

genuine freak, will become one of the best midfielders melbourne has ever had

[Gorgoroth 12,920]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

this is the reason. he is in possession of the ball for such a short time that if you blink you miss him

To be honest I was surprised how many times he had the pill on Saturday.

He gets 5 each week I'm sure I miss.

[What 18,810]

2 hours ago, DemonAndrew said:

genuine freak, will become one of the best midfielders melbourne has ever had

He is already the best midfielder we have had in the last 30 years.

Can anyone name a better season from a Melbourne mid in modern times?

[Dees_In_October 3,374]

3 hours ago, Gorgoroth said:

To be honest I was surprised how many times he had the pill on Saturday.

He gets 5 each week I'm sure I miss.

Sometimes I try to make a gif of one of his lightning handpasses, but even in slow motion, it's too quick to be worth it. I'm only just barely exaggerating!

[DemonWA 3,929]

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

He is already the best midfielder we have had in the last 30 years.

Can anyone name a better season from a Melbourne mid in modern times?

30 years?

Sorry mate, but in that time we've had a Brownlow winning mid, AA players,  not to mention multiple B&F winners.

I don't disagree that Clarry has the tools to be as good if not better than those guys, but 'He is already the best midfielder we have had in the last 30 years' is crazy talk ....think before you post!

 

[mattjm 151]

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

He is already the best midfielder we have had in the last 30 years.

Can anyone name a better season from a Melbourne mid in modern times?

definitely Scully

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6 minutes ago, DemonWA said:

30 years?

Sorry mate, but in that time we've had a Brownlow winning mid, AA players,  not to mention multiple B&F winners.

I don't disagree that Clarry has the tools to be as good if not better than those guys, but 'He is already the best midfielder we have had in the last 30 years' is crazy talk ....think before you post!

 

He's better than Woewodin ever was. And arguably had a more consistent season than any of the B&F winners. Doing the grunt work in a winning team. Not winning the B&F in a Steven Bradbury contest, no disrespect to those winners. It's not that crazy a statement. 

 

And for the record I reckon he's one of the better kicks in the team. 50 metre bullets to advantage most times. 

[DemonWA 3,929]

10 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

 

Can anyone name a better season from a Melbourne mid in modern times?

Moloney - 19 Brownlow votes in 2011, Clarry might top that but Beamer was good that year too.

 

[DemonWA 3,929]

Just now, Deestroy All said:

He's better than Woewodin ever was. And arguably had a more consistent season than any of the B&F winners. Doing the grunt work in a winning team. Not winning the B&F in a Steven Bradbury contest, no disrespect to those winners. It's not that crazy a statement. 

 

And for the record I reckon he's one of the better kicks in the team. 50 metre bullets to advantage most times. 

Robert Flower played for the dee's  30 years ago.

Tingay, Todd Viney, Yze, Bruce, Jr Mac - we've had some damn good mids in that time too.

Clarry is a gun, but I'm not buying he's already better than every mid we've had in the last 30 years.

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1 minute ago, DemonWA said:

Robert Flower played for the dee's  30 years ago.

Tingay, Todd Viney, Yze, Bruce, Jr Mac - we've had some damn good mids in that time too.

Clarry is a gun, but I'm not buying he's already better than every mid we've had in the last 30 years.

Fair enough. 

Out of curiosity, excluding Flower, of the mids you've named and Oliver, if you had to pick one of them at 20 years old, who would you pick?