Goodwin said on SEN tonight the club contacted the AFL umpires department to find out why he is being pinned for throws when the club think he is handballing. 

I wonder if the umpires are reacting to some commentators narrative a few weeks ago that Oliver throws and are just guessing.

Good to see the club being proactive and hopefully the chat with AFL sorts the problem.

Edited April 28, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

45 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Goodwin said on SEN tonight the club contacted the AFL umpires department to find out why he is being pinned for throws when the club think he is handballing. 

I wonder if the umpires are reacting to some commentators narrative a few weeks ago that Oliver throws and are just guessing.

Good to see the club being proactive and hopefully the chat with AFL sorts the problem.

Well THAT's nice to hear, I was frustrated the other night that C7 failed to show close ups of handballs that were pinged (which they do regularly) (was feeling it was a conspiracy that suited a narrative). Clayton looked so adamant each and every time when disputing the decision...

58 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Goodwin said on SEN tonight the club contacted the AFL umpires department to find out why he is being pinned for throws when the club think he is handballing. 

I wonder if the umpires are reacting to some commentators narrative a few weeks ago that Oliver throws and are just guessing.

Good to see the club being proactive and hopefully the chat with AFL sorts the problem.

I may have said it earlier, but I just think (other than the fact that they don't have a clue about footy) they just cannot believe that any human could possibly handball as quickly as does Ollie.

51 minutes ago, monoccular said:

I may have said it earlier, but I just think (other than the fact that they don't have a clue about footy) they just cannot believe that any human could possibly handball as quickly as does Ollie.

Mono, it didn't stop them letting the Dogs get away with plenty of dubious handballs in the GF last year, nor during this season so far.

Edited April 28, 20178 yr by Moonshadow

Bulldogs frees tonight 16:9 .... and counting 

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Goodwin said on SEN tonight the club contacted the AFL umpires department to find out why he is being pinned for throws when the club think he is handballing. 

I wonder if the umpires are reacting to some commentators narrative a few weeks ago that Oliver throws and are just guessing.

Good to see the club being proactive and hopefully the chat with AFL sorts the problem.

He would be better off throwing it and too fast to catch. It's the unorthodox contortionist efforts that come across as suspect and get pinged. 

Edited April 28, 20178 yr by Skuit

Hnmmm Subliminal Handballs! Worked well in Advertising! Hasn't quite caught on yet here!!

I think Clarry can be a little too prone to handball at times. Sure when teammates are put in to the clear by them they look fantastic, but at other times, he would be better off keeping the ball to himself instead of firing off a handball. He is a very good kick and should be also using that to his advantage as well.

If he was able to have a higher kick to handball ratio, and slowly improve his tank, he would become a complete midfielder a lot quicker.

There's a strange equal-opportunities affirmative-action sentiment developing here regarding Clarry's handball-to-kick ratio. Like any player, I would like Oliver to be a good decision-maker,  such that he should kick when it's the best option and handball when it's the best option. Otherwise, he is extremely damaging and aggressive by hand, and I couldn't care less if he only gets five kicks a game no matter how good he is by foot. I also couldn't care less that by improving his kicking numbers he could better his chances for a Brownlow. 

17 minutes ago, Skuit said:

There's a strange equal-opportunities affirmative-action sentiment developing here regarding Clarry's handball-to-kick ratio. Like any player, I would like Oliver to be a good decision-maker,  such that he should kick when it's the best option and handball when it's the best option. Otherwise, he is extremely damaging and aggressive by hand, and I couldn't care less if he only gets five kicks a game no matter how good he is by foot. I also couldn't care less that by improving his kicking numbers he could better his chances for a Brownlow. 

Agreed, mate. I think often people feel like they have to point out an area of focus to work on, but I think this is misplaced. 

On 2017-4-26 at 0:51 PM, ManDee said:

Scary thing is we could have had Sloane, Wines, Martin and Oliver if we drafted better. 

An ex Hawk board member once said if they took Judd over Hodge he would have had immediate impact unlike Hodge who struggled in his early years.

The immediate impact IHO would not have seen such a drop off as they did under Schwab after the 2001 prelim loss to Essendon.

No dramatic drop off could have seen them miss Clarkson and almost certainly miss both Roughead & Franklin.

I think had we drafted correctly as hindsight now shows us we miss Petracca and Clarrie

Game 1: 9 kicks, 27 handballs, 36 disposals

Game 2: 11 kicks, 24 handballs, 35 disposals

Game 3: 8 kicks, 20 handballs, 28 disposals

Game 4: 9 kicks, 17 handballs, 26 disposals

Game 5: 8 kicks, 24 handballs, 32 disposals

Game 6: 8 kicks, 25 handballs, 33 disposals

This kid is a god, huge fan, have my babies etc......BUT i just think he should back himself in to kick it more. Won the draft camp goal kicking in his draft year and makes good decisions. Just think the handball/kick ratio is a little out. Should back himself in to kick it more, rather then automatically thinking of handballing whenever he gets it. I know that handballing within tight confines and being clean is his no.1 skill, but he could be even more damaging if he kicked a little more.

9 minutes ago, wheaters31 said:

Game 1: 9 kicks, 27 handballs, 36 disposals

Game 2: 11 kicks, 24 handballs, 35 disposals

Game 3: 8 kicks, 20 handballs, 28 disposals

Game 4: 9 kicks, 17 handballs, 26 disposals

Game 5: 8 kicks, 24 handballs, 32 disposals

Game 6: 8 kicks, 25 handballs, 33 disposals

This kid is a god, huge fan, have my babies etc......BUT i just think he should back himself in to kick it more. Won the draft camp goal kicking in his draft year and makes good decisions. Just think the handball/kick ratio is a little out. Should back himself in to kick it more, rather then automatically thinking of handballing whenever he gets it. I know that handballing within tight confines and being clean is his no.1 skill, but he could be even more damaging if he kicked a little more.

I can think of two occasions today against Essendon, whereby he went forward on one- took a mark and popped it to Trac - and then bursting through the centre and roosted it in the final qrt - can't recall who jagged a goal. When he backs himself he kicks damagingly - and presume the weight of handballs/kick ratio is due to his (as aforementioned) cleaness in tight confines - and playing his role.

Anyone else think he's a smokey for the Brownlow? He's got to be a contender going by those stats

7 minutes ago, Goffer said:

Anyone else think he's a smokey for the Brownlow? He's got to be a contender going by those stats

He could be a chance if he smashed the ball on to his boot and turned it over more.

Edited April 30, 20178 yr by Ethan Tremblay

How about the pack mark and quick thinking to set up Petracca in the second quarter. That was the only highlight of the half. Clarry resting forward should happen more often.

Today was his worst game of the year and he still racked up 33 with high efficiency. The kid's a freak.

Oh yeah he knows where they are forward. Has earned a rest. 

15 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

How about the pack mark and quick thinking to set up Petracca in the second quarter. That was the only highlight of the half. Clarry resting forward should happen more often.

Today was his worst game of the year and he still racked up 33 with high efficiency. The kid's a freak.

I agree SS, and I was thinking much the same thing today.  He is a deceptively good mark and he knows where the goals are.  He would only need a few minutes down there each quarter to make an impact.

Agree wise. Plays tall doesn't he? There isn't a lot he doesn't do. As opposition coach... I don't even know what you can do to stop him. Tag him? Unlikely to be that effective given his inside work. Would just get 6 frees a game and free up Viney.

That handball to set up Tom Mc''s goal. Just mesmerising ?

Edited April 30, 20178 yr by billy2803

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He could be a chance if he smashed the ball on to his boot and turned it over more.

Gold. Because it's true.

Clayton Oliver

R1-6

Leads AFL in handballs

6th in disposals

5th in contested possessions

7th in tackles

81% efficiency

 

Not bad

 

Dropped in here to post the forward sentiment but you beat me to it SS, he's got the skillset. What a kid.

4 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He could be a chance if he smashed the ball on to his boot and turned it over more.

Bernie a shoo-in then. (Please note: Vince doing the former was a welcome tonic in the second half v the Dons - please let him remain forward-of-the-ball from here to retirement).

6 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I agree SS, and I was thinking much the same thing today.  He is a deceptively good mark and he knows where the goals are.  He would only need a few minutes down there each quarter to make an impact.

His mark today reminded me of his contested mark on the wing in his first game. It was taken on the GWS captain, Ward. Very Michael Voss too.