On 22 May 2016 at 3:49 PM, picket fence said:

In what universe is this guy an AFL standard player?

He is slow, ;lacks awareness, fumbly, easily pushed of the ball and just not up to it.

Love to know what the match commitee see that I don't ???

Anyone else share the same opinion?

Jeebuz mate, give him a break, he's young and in his second year, he could be as good as his brother but needs time

9 hours ago, Jaded said:

KPDs take a long time. 

Anyone who saw the actual spud that Frawley was in his first couple of seasons or how Oscar's brother played in his first year will remember that they looked hopeless. 

Oscar needs at least 10kgs and 20 games to begin to look like a semi respectable player. Playing "softer" games like against Brisbane to gain experience is not a bad thing. It doesn't cost us much and it's good for his development. 

When half of Demonland wants Dunn and/or Garland banished to Africa, I'm not sure what the alternative is. We have to be patient. I see enough talent in him to justify it. 

On point.

12 minutes ago, picket fence said:

As GOOD as his brother?? Many on this site wouldn't rate his bother as highly as that!

what a system of rating players, the Demonland Player Performance Index. It will help to provide clarity on the potential and the ability of football players and probably will be adopted by coaching and list managements staff.

Tom Mac was in the same boat as younger brother. Defenders don't seem to get the same reconition as mid and forwards. People should be patient with O.Mac,he will become a quality defender. Frost will also become a champion. 

1 hour ago, ENYAW said:

 Frost will also become a champion. 

...here we go...

I think Oscar is tracking along fine, he's still very much finding his feet at AFL level but for a pick 50 odd he looks like being one of our key defenders for the next decade.

We should be giving players senior game for part of their development,senior footy is way ahead of reserve footy. Also people like O'Mac and Frost need to be groomed,the likes of Dunn and Garland are not going to be the future of our defence. There is nothing wrong with development especially this year as we are unlikely to make the eight. Remember Roos telling Pedersen and Harmes to pull their finger out,guess what? 

i think OMac shows a bit of promise and given time he will slot in ok.  He's got a way to go, but he'll get there.

Unfortunately I agree with you here. Not AFL standard. 

Back to casey. Maybe valuable in a couple of years.

Far from our worst today; midfield is the first and most important line of defence.

Send him back to the 2nds to work on his game. Frost is better atm and more developed 

If he plays next week I'm making Gunston my captain as he will kick 10 on him in the first half.

Not strong enough send him back to the VFL for either Frost Dunn or Pedersen 

And in the end he was outmarked by Ollie Wines then a one hand pathetic attempt at tackling, gave port another easy goal! Give me a break! Insipid!

Edited May 28, 20169 yr by picket fence

As we all said last week, he simply isn't ready for AFL level yet. He might be a good player for us long term, but short term he isn't ready. If we played Dunn today it would've been more of a contest.

First and foremost though, the midfield needs to show up!

He just doesn't seem to be able to read the play. Too weak. Has no urgency in his play. Is slow. Slow decision maker. Bad decision maker also. id rather a shaved chimp line up in our back line. 

Right now I'd prefer Ronald McDonald although neither deliver.

I think he reads it ok, he's just not strong enough yet so he gets out bodied at the start of a contest and then can't get back into it. With time and strength he can fix that part of his game.

The concerning thing that is hard to teach is his lack of intensity. He's like Cale Morton out there and just seems scared a lot of the time. 

4 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

I think he reads it ok, he's just not strong enough yet so he gets out bodied at the start of a contest and then can't get back into it. With time and strength he can fix that part of his game.

The concerning thing that is hard to teach is his lack of intensity. He's like Cale Morton out there and just seems scared a lot of the time. 

My body temperature just dropped 10 degrees

We gave the warning last week.

"WE ALL TOLD YOU SO"

Too slow. Not strong enough. Lacks pace. Easily outmarked. His effort against Wines was very average indeed.

Back to Casey until he gets urgency and an upper body ready for AFL.

Oscar cost us 8 goals today clearly. I blame him. And ebola

25 minutes ago, picket fence said:

And in the end he was outmarked by Ollie Wines then a one hand pathetic attempt at tackling, gave port another easy goal! Give me a break! Insipid!

You are absolutely correct.  A smaller player should never outmark a larger player.

I also noticed Hogan being outmarked on occasions by a smaller player. 

Obviously "He just doesn't seem to be able to read the play. Too weak. Has no urgency in his play. Is slow. Slow decision maker. Bad decision maker also"????????????? as "Age" would have us accept.

 

With the greatest of respect to the McDonald hating scribes, I would suggest you watch the Bears and this game with an open mind, try and consider what the coaches are trying to do and pay some attention to how the players upfield have allowed the ball to be turned over and run easily into defense leaving defenders outnumbered.  Sadly, I think Oscar and his brother are receiving excessive criticism for perceived errors actually caused by a failing by a player or players upfield.

To me at least, he is so clearly not ready for AFL football. He's not strong enough, he has no idea what to do with it offensively (the only player in today's 22 who didn't look comfortable transitioning into attack) and he just looks lost in zone defence right now.

I'm not putting a line through him, I'm more than happy to give him time, but right now that time should be in the VFL not the AFL. He is just not good enough to hold a spot in the seniors right now.

Reckon a lot of the criticism is unfounded, notwithstanding he is currently struggling.

I reckon he'll be a player. Anyone who saw him Round 1 of the VFL or against Northern Blues could see his abilitty on display. Reads the ball well and repeatedly ran off his opponent. However he seems to lack self confidence at the next level so far.

I'd be all for sending him back to VFL level, even for the rest of the year in order for him to get that confidence back in himself. It was well worth the experiment for now given Dunn's form has been on the wane. Hopefully Frost will be the next given an opportunity to cement that key defender spot.

I really hope we're all over Hurley at the moment!