That Preseason Camp

[DemonOX 8,541]

23 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

You do realise they had less then 2 hours sleep for the whole camp right? After all the super mental physical stuff they did, and then being forced to stay awake for 40 hours straight, that will stuff anyone's ability to think clearly

Not if u have young kids drunkn u would be use to little to no sleep!!

[binman 38,765]

20 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

I have a direct source to the mindset of the playing group, and I can tell you for absolute certainty this camp was indeed a good experience for the club.

Source?

[McQueen 17,864]

37 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

You do realise they had less then 2 hours sleep for the whole camp right? After all the super mental physical stuff they did, and then being forced to stay awake for 40 hours straight, that will stuff anyone's ability to think clearly

Did you see that fella (who I think was in his 60's) on tv who played lawn bowls for 72 hours straight for a Guinness book record! At about the 70th hour, he was asked to barrel one down and knock the Jack out and he nailed the bowl.

That bloke is elite.

 

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

13 minutes ago, binman said:

Source?

He is a 'close' relative of Declan Keilty, close enough, I know a close relative of Pat McKenna, same thing, and James Harmes, Nev and Jayden Hunt all said same thing

 

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Did you see that fella (who I think was in his 60's) on tv who played lawn bowls for 72 hours straight for a Guinness book record! At about the 70th hour, he was asked to barrel one down and knock the Jack out and he nailed the bowl.

That bloke is elite.

 

Those tecord attempts have regulated breaks, paricularly to ensure no mental stress

Here is an amusing anecdote for you McQueen on this type of exercise, I took part in one years ago in UK military, had very little sleep over a week, we had a 'simulated'  attack with wounded etc we raced up to one 'wounded' and one of our guys in his tired and emotional state,  his training kicked in, ripped out his morphine jab and 'stabbed' a perfectly healthy guy with it in the thigh, said gentlemen not impressed but wasn't feeling much as they carted him off

Edited January 12, 2017 by Satyriconhome

[McQueen 17,864]

9 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Those tecord attempts have regulated breaks, paricularly to ensure no mental stress

Here is an amusing anecdote for you McQueen on this type of exercise, I took part in one years ago in UK military, had very little sleep over a eeek, we had a 'simulated'  attack with wounded etc we raced up to one 'wounded' and one of our guys in his tired and emotional state,  his training kicked in, ripped out his morphine jab and 'stabbed' a perfectly healthy guy with it in the thigh, said gentlemen not impressed but wasn't feeling much as they carted him off

That poor old bloke was hammered. When they interviewed you'd swear he'd just finished off a carton of froffies.

Question: why would you carry a ridgey didge morphine pen on a simulated training?

[Wiseblood 24,636]

58 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

This arguing about whether it was a good experience or not when most of you don't know what you're talking about is getting to me worked up. 

How can you argue for the agaisnt when the players and the coaches have said they thought it was 1) the hardest thing any of them had ever done in their football careers (Including Lewis who was done some crazy stuff over the years) but 2) most believe was extremely beneficial to their personal development therefore the team development. 

I have a direct source to the mindset of the playing group, and I can tell you for absolute certainty this camp was indeed a good experience for the club.

There have been plenty of posters here who have done similar camps and have, in other threads, said as much. Many know exactly what they are talking about. 

[stuie 7,374]

5 minutes ago, McQueen said:

That poor old bloke was hammered. When they interviewed you'd swear he'd just finished off a carton of froffies.

Have you seen how cheap beer is at most bowls clubs?

 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

16 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

There have been plenty of posters here who have done similar camps and have, in other threads, said as much. Many know exactly what they are talking about. 

This was special forces level training, I very much doubt anyone here has done 'similar camps'

[beelzebub 22,247]

For this camp to really have lasting effect it needs doing every year.  Its conditioning.. needs to be 2nd nature not an aberration.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

12 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

This was special forces level training, I very much doubt anyone here has done 'similar camps'

And now you are commenting on things you don't know much about.

Either way, we feel differently about the camps.  The world isn't going to end so let's move on.

[Gator 16,894]

4 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I have no doubt that, for many, the camp was excellent.  I think @ProDee just reported from his source (and correct any mistakes PD, I haven't gone back to that post you made), for some, it wasn't and that we got a few injuries out of it, which I think was the crux of the discussion as to how it may not have been as worthwhile as we wanted it to be. 

Time will tell if it was worthwhile or not.

 

On 1/4/2017 at 2:12 PM, ProDee said:

Snippet of inside info (second hand):

Players had an exceptionally tough camp recently at Anglesea (was actually Whittlesea).

They had no more than about 2 hours sleep a night (was actually 2 hours all up).

Lewis ran through Tyson in one training drill.  Tyson not rapt in the treatment.  Scuffle.  No apologies from Lewis.  (I'm guessing this is the standard of the ruthless club he comes from and the type of culture he's brought).

Salem concussed when something fell on his head during the camp.  Don't know more, but assume he's ok.

[binman 38,765]

56 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

He is a 'close' relative of Declan Keilty, close enough, I know a close relative of Pat McKenna, same thing, and James Harmes, Nev and Jayden Hunt all said same thing

 

Yes Saty, i know. It was a joke. Not very funny i know but it gave me a chuckle, which is what counts.

It was a rif on similar jokes i have made about posters putting up unsubstantiated rumors eg about players or trade scenarios and not providing the source, or saying something suitably vague (eg a club insider)

[Drunkn167 5,093]

3 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

And now you are commenting on things you don't know much about.

Either way, we feel differently about the camps.  The world isn't going to end so let's move on.

Well for one I was in the ADF for 4 years and I've done sleep dep camps so I definitely do know what I'm talking about

But I've actually spoken to someone in great length who actually did the camp and I'm telling you for a fact that is was a lot more extreme then anyone here has ever done, unless they were once elite athletes 

[daisycutter 28,633]

56 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Those tecord attempts have regulated breaks, paricularly to ensure no mental stress

Here is an amusing anecdote for you McQueen on this type of exercise, I took part in one years ago in UK military, had very little sleep over a eeek, we had a 'simulated'  attack with wounded etc we raced up to one 'wounded' and one of our guys in his tired and emotional state,  his training kicked in, ripped out his morphine jab and 'stabbed' a perfectly healthy guy with it in the thigh, said gentlemen not impressed but wasn't feeling much as they carted him off

was said gentleman you, saty?

[DeeSpencer 23,260]

Salem is the kind of unlucky injury you have on this type of camp. But it's also the kind of injury you do this camp to learn from. Better concentration or team work could've seen him put the bricks in the bottom of the bag!

Tyson is a different discussion because it sounds partially like some kind of management issue with a pre existing injury and possibly some kind of recklessness (I'm just guessing) if it was a contact injury.

If the thoughts Tom Browne expressed that Tyson has seen the benefit of the training has moved on then I think we can as well.

I'm definitely a fan of mentally tough training in different scenarios. Team work. Bonding. Mateship. Cross training. Leadership. It's worth mixing it up rather than slogging it out at Gosch's all summer.

 

[McQueen 17,864]

43 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

This was special forces level training, I very much doubt anyone here has done 'similar camps'

It's all relative in my mind and we were pushed according to the same philosophy both mentally and physically. To be fair, I think we can all agree that this type of training is designed to deliver a similar desired outcome no matter if you're elite sports people or developing leadership skills for business and, as discussed to almost ad nauseam, the results can vary greatly.

Anyway mate, I appreciate your input on all threads so I don't want to see you get your knickers in a twist over differing opinions particularly in this one due to your direct intel. 

 

[Satyriconhome 9,986]

41 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

was said gentleman you, saty?

No wasn't me chap, I was one of the others falling about in gales of laughter, until we were brought back to earth by being made to pack up all our gear and redeploy 5 miles away, had to walk there of course

From one who has done a lot of similar exercises if the players embraced it, which from what I have heard, all did, they would have got a lot out of it

 

Edited January 12, 2017 by Satyriconhome

[daisycutter 28,633]

4 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

No wasn't me chap, I was one of the others falling about in gales of laughter, until we were brought back to earth by being made to pack up all our gear and redeploy 5 miles away, had to walk there of course

From one who has done a lot of similar exercises if the players embraced it, which from what I have heard, all did, they would have got a lot out of it

 

it will also be particularly handy next time they are attacked by terrorists (or ajax) in the middle of the night, or just woken by a crying baby in the middle or rem sleep 

[Drunkn167 5,093]

20 minutes ago, McQueen said:

It's all relative in my mind and we were pushed according to the same philosophy both mentally and physically. To be fair, I think we can all agree that this type of training is designed to deliver a similar desired outcome no matter if you're elite sports people or developing leadership skills for business and, as discussed to almost ad nauseam, the results can vary greatly.

Anyway mate, I appreciate your input on all threads so I don't want to see you get your knickers in a twist over differing opinions particularly in this one due to your direct intel. 

 

Yeah true. Cheers mate.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

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[Vineytime 783]

I broke the story on here

[McQueen 17,864]

1 hour ago, Vineytime said:

I broke the story on here

Internet high 5, bruh.

[Whispering_Jack 28,021]

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

it will also be particularly handy next time they are attacked by terrorists (or ajax) in the middle of the night, or just woken by a crying baby in the middle or rem sleep 

I'm assuming the reference to ajax is a typo or a Freudian slip and that you really meant to refer to the apex gang and not the team from the ammos that has occupied a middle of the road place in B Section for the past 5 or 6 seasons. I just can't see those lads attacking an AFL team myself. They're all nice boys who come from good homes and with few exceptions, wouldn't hurt a fly.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

10 hours ago, Chris said:

I believe it was a brick not a block