18 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

So we are paying memberships that are used to pay out a guy who is ok to play ? no way should he get an injury settlement if he is deemed ok to play. if he decides to renege on his part of the contract then that's too bad. only Melbourne F C lose out on this one.

I agree with this.

If he is simply fishing for a payout, tell him to take a hike. We are not a charity.

 

30 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

So we are paying memberships that are used to pay out a guy who is ok to play ? no way should he get an injury settlement if he is deemed ok to play. if he decides to renege on his part of the contract then that's too bad. only Melbourne F C lose out on this one.

 

10 minutes ago, faultydet said:

I agree with this.

If he is simply fishing for a payout, tell him to take a hike. We are not a charity.

 

If only for simpler times...

Pay him out and move on.

5 hours ago, rjay said:

 

If only for simpler times...

Pay him out and move on.

How many of his knocks were taken at Collingwood?

Isn't this an insurance issue?

If so there must be protocols in place for 2 and 3 club players who have an issue, real or imagined. 

H is not helping matters by not training at all. 

 

50 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

So we are paying memberships that are used to pay out a guy who is ok to play ? no way should he get an injury settlement if he is deemed ok to play. if he decides to renege on his part of the contract then that's too bad. only Melbourne F C lose out on this one.

I'm not an expert on the workings of AFL contracts but:

He could turn up, go through the motions at training, play at Casey and collect a full wage. Or he could turn up, take a bump in the first training session or VFL game and probably collect injury payments for the rest of the year and an injury settlement as well, we can't exactly say he doesn't have concussion now. And whether he has a case or not he could file some sort of grievance about the performance based aspect of his contract and how missing games affected that.

Paying Lumumba a percentage of his yearly salary to go away sounds like the best of the bad options. A sad end but seemingly necessary.

AFL players must get good protection within their contracts which is probably fair enough because once the contracts are finished the get very little.

 

7 hours ago, Steamin Demon said:

You won’t see Lumumba play again. Club is working on an injury settlement that suits both parties. It will free up a spot on the list for a rookie upgrade.

It’s between Joel Smith and Tim Smith at this stage.

Smithers!!!

5 hours ago, Biffen said:

How many of his knocks were taken at Collingwood?

Isn't this an insurance issue?

If so there must be protocols in place for 2 and 3 club players who have an issue, real or imagined. 

H is not helping matters by not training at all. 

Interesting thought ... you would think so ... but it is the AFL. They probably still use carbon copies for everything.

36 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm not an expert on the workings of AFL contracts but:

He could turn up, go through the motions at training, play at Casey and collect a full wage. Or he could turn up, take a bump in the first training session or VFL game and probably collect injury payments for the rest of the year and an injury settlement as well, we can't exactly say he doesn't have concussion now. And whether he has a case or not he could file some sort of grievance about the performance based aspect of his contract and how missing games affected that.

Paying Lumumba a percentage of his yearly salary to go away sounds like the best of the bad options. A sad end but seemingly necessary.

AFL players must get good protection within their contracts which is probably fair enough because once the contracts are finished the get very little.

 

Sounds like very sane words DS.

I guess the sticking point is the "percentage"

These things are always more complicated than they seem on the surface particularly with legal ramifications involved. Sometimes in organisations it is best to act quickly and decisively to remove the problem before it affects others. It seems that no good can come from letting this situation go for too long. Easier said than done but I hope the club is working to cast HL adrift as soon as possible so that all can move on.

2 hours ago, hemingway said:

These things are always more complicated than they seem on the surface particularly with legal ramifications involved. Sometimes in organisations it is best to act quickly and decisively to remove the problem before it affects others. It seems that no good can come from letting this situation go for too long. Easier said than done but I hope the club is working to cast HL adrift as soon as possible so that all can move on.

Seems Harry O is the "player" of the year 

Reading between the lines - and taking into consideration the pride of the man - I reckon all was sweet until someone told him , truthfully, that he wasn't a lock-in to our best 22. 

Confronted by this he worked out that his contract might not be renewed for 2018.

All of a sudden he's confronted with a season in the VFL -and the end of his career 

" Hang on - I'm a Premiership player and I came to this club as a leader. Now -your telling me I might be washed up.... that's not what we planned when I signed up ..."

He's a sensitive man - and he might have found this reality difficult to deal with. 

The unfortunate thing about this is that his status stayed in limbo- and didn't become an issue until the list management plan had been finalised 

This should have been sorted in September/October - so that even if we had to absorb a payout we would have had the extra slot on our list to play with. Prior to locking away Hibberd did we see the Prince as an important part of our defence? If not - then we should have given him  a reality check long ago.

I saw him at the VFL GF telling a few fans that he was looking forward to 2017. Whatever changed was nothing to do with concussion!

1 hour ago, hoopla said:

Reading between the lines - and taking into consideration the pride of the man - I reckon all was sweet until someone told him , truthfully, that he wasn't a lock-in to our best 22. 

Confronted by this he worked out that his contract might not be renewed for 2018.

All of a sudden he's confronted with a season in the VFL -and the end of his career 

" Hang on - I'm a Premiership player and I came to this club as a leader. Now -your telling me I might be washed up.... that's not what we planned when I signed up ..."

He's a sensitive man - and he might have found this reality difficult to deal with. 

The unfortunate thing about this is that his status stayed in limbo- and didn't become an issue until the list management plan had been finalised 

This should have been sorted in September/October - so that even if we had to absorb a payout we would have had the extra slot on our list to play with. Prior to locking away Hibberd did we see the Prince as an important part of our defence? If not - then we should have given him  a reality check long ago.

I saw him at the VFL GF telling a few fans that he was looking forward to 2017. Whatever changed was nothing to do with concussion!

might be a lot closer to the hole than many think....

Sometimes life isn't simply Black and White when you're Read the Blues !! 

5 hours ago, hemingway said:

These things are always more complicated than they seem on the surface particularly with legal ramifications involved. Sometimes in organisations it is best to act quickly and decisively to remove the problem before it affects others. It seems that no good can come from letting this situation go for too long. Easier said than done but I hope the club is working to cast HL adrift as soon as possible so that all can move on.

Eloquently stated, as usual, Ernest. 

Hindsight is marvellous, but it does my mind somewhat, when I recall that his strength of 'leadership' was was one of the reasons we recruited him to our Club.

9 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Hindsight is marvellous, but it does my mind somewhat, when I recall that his strength of 'leadership' was was one of the reasons we recruited him to our Club.

I thought the only reason he joined the club was because he enjoyed his meditation sessions with Roosy and Tami.

10 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I thought the only reason he joined the club was because he enjoyed his meditation sessions with Roosy and Tami.

It would appear they were less than successful Steve.

I can't believe we are still indulging this sociopath. As soon as he was cleared to play by our doctors we should have told him to report to the club for training in a suitable condition. Failing to do should have resulted in his contract being terminated immediately.

I work bloody hard to earn a small fraction of Lumumba's annual income. I deeply resent that a portion of my membership fees (however small) is paying for him to sit on his lazy arse, whilst his fellow players are busting their guts on the training track. It also makes me sick that we turfed a great club man like Grimes so that this bludger can stay on the list.

39 minutes ago, poita said:

I can't believe we are still indulging this sociopath. As soon as he was cleared to play by our doctors we should have told him to report to the club for training in a suitable condition. Failing to do should have resulted in his contract being terminated immediately.

I work bloody hard to earn a small fraction of Lumumba's annual income. I deeply resent that a portion of my membership fees (however small) is paying for him to sit on his lazy arse, whilst his fellow players are busting their guts on the training track. It also makes me sick that we turfed a great club man like Grimes so that this bludger can stay on the list.

You are not alone poita however sadly the real world is a little more complex.

Edited December 6, 20168 yr by old dee

I wish him a rapid descent into obscurity.

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

I thought the only reason he joined the club was because he enjoyed his meditation sessions with Roosy and Tami.

You could benefit from trying it McQueen.

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

You could benefit from trying it McQueen.

If you end like HL I would be heading in the other direction at a rapid rate. Fortunately for Steve he has just the vehicle to accomplish it.

 

3 hours ago, poita said:

 

I work bloody hard to earn a small fraction of Lumumba's annual income. I deeply resent that a portion of my membership fees (however small) is paying for him to sit on his lazy arse, whilst his fellow players are busting their guts on the training track. It also makes me sick that we turfed a great club man like Grimes so that this bludger can stay on the list.

This 100%

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

You could benefit from trying it McQueen.

How do you know I'm not doing it already?

4 hours ago, McQueen said:

I thought the only reason he joined the club was because he enjoyed his meditation sessions with Roosy and Tami.

H practices Trancendental Meditation that was developed by the Maharishi,a guru from India that the Beatles hung out with until they realised he was dodgy

On 05/12/2016 at 4:33 PM, hemingway said:

These things are always more complicated than they seem on the surface particularly with legal ramifications involved. Sometimes in organisations it is best to act quickly and decisively to remove the problem before it affects others. It seems that no good can come from letting this situation go for too long. Easier said than done but I hope the club is working to cast HL adrift as soon as possible so that all can move on.

One of your influences ,Joseph Conrad,wrote a Novella renamed 'Children of The Sea".

The theme was about the effect of a Malingerer on a "crew" in sail..

The term "cast adrift" was used as you guys tend to do.

 

14 minutes ago, Biffen said:

One of your influences ,Joseph Conrad,wrote a Novella renamed 'Children of The Sea".

The theme was about the effect of a Malingerer on a "crew" in sail..

The term "cast adrift" was used as you guys tend to do.

 

Ah, at last a cultured chap on Demonland. Great Polish writer Mr Conrad.