2016 Player Review - # 8 Heritier Lumumba

[sisso 2,580]

What kind of solicitor has he found that would possibly think he has a valid case!?

[chook fowler 19,446]

2 minutes ago, sisso said:

What kind of solicitor has he found that would possibly think he has a valid case!?

The one from the Castle

[rjay 24,887]

1 hour ago, Kiss of Death said:

Shannon Noll just called, he's a little upset that the Prince stole his song...

On a serious note, wish I could be paid well, be 'fit to work' but allowed paid time off, and then quit and ask for another years salary.

Hope when the door hits his ass on the way out, it doesn't try and sue the house

...and "Moving Pictures" are probably not that upset that Shannon gave their song a reprise.

On a serious note, I wasn't too happy with us picking up 'H' at the time. More from a football sense.

It's a pity we did & even more so that it seems to have ended this way. What ever way that is.

I wouldn't be taking the media stories as gospel though. Many have pointed to inconsistencies and landed them on his doorstep.

Could it be the media have some of their facts wrong? Never...

[Bitter but optimistic 22,218]

So the evolution is complete. Simple Harry O'Brian has finally transmogrified into The Prince of Darkness!

[daisycutter 29,604]

59 minutes ago, sisso said:

What kind of solicitor has he found that would possibly think he has a valid case!?

an essendon one?

[DeeZee 7,363]

A young man with delusions of grandeur who in the end will simply be remembered as a nob.

[Sir Why You Little 36,983]

The club gave him the all clear during the year & H said "no i am not ready"

something is not adding up. There is more to this

[DEE fence 5,004]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

As a rule we need to stop trading for Collingwood players.

I'd take Pendlebury

[Demon_JB 1,376]

 MFC staff give him the all clear to return, yet he believed he wasn't ready so he didn't play. Now, he is claiming he blocked him from games because of the trigger clause? What?

The situation about him parting ways with his manager also speaks volume about his relationship with others. I don't know him personally, but if I had to make a judgement call it would seem like he is a sociopath of the highest order. Just tarnishes his reputation whomever he makes contact with.

 

Edited November 23, 2016 by juzzk1d

[old dee 23,781]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

As a rule we need to stop trading for Collingwood players.

They got Howell and we got Dawes, Harry and Kennedy.

I think they are well in front.

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

12 minutes ago, juzzk1d said:

 MFC staff give him the all clear to return, yet he believed he wasn't ready so he didn't play. Now, he is claiming he blocked him from games because of the trigger clause? What?

The situation about him parting ways with his manager also speaks volume about his relationship with others. I don't know him personally, but if I had to make a judgement call it would seem like he is a sociopath of the highest order. Just tarnishes his reputation whomever he makes contact with.

 

Some wild speculation on my part here, but what if by the time the MFC said he was ready, he knew he would be unable to break into the 22 because of Hunt?

Much easier to reconcile 'ongoing concussion issues' with 'not good enough any more' with his giant ego.

[old dee 23,781]

11 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Old called it !!!

bb I think it has been obvious for months his brain was somewhere else. As I said Clark all over again.

All that is left now is to work out the separation which I suggest is going to be a lot harder than Clark.

At least Clark was in touch with the real world. The prince is another matter!

 

[old dee 23,781]

3 minutes ago, Choke said:

Some wild speculation on my part here, but what if by the time the MFC said he was ready, he knew he would be unable to break into the 22 because of Hunt?

Much easier to reconcile 'ongoing concussion issues' with 'not good enough any more' with his giant ego.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction Choke.

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

Was an interesting interview with Ralphy (so take from it what you will) on SEN this morning, who seemed to have been in discussion with someone at the club - basically said because of the previous players we've had with concussion, Ro Bail, Gus, Viney etc. that we are leaders in the industry in managing it. Also that the club think they have an extremely strong legal position if it came down to it.

Said the likely outcome is a negotiated payout, but if pushed the club thinks we might be able to get H off the books completely for 2017 (salary cap wise). He'll stay on the list and essentially be like Melks last year.

Wonder if it might mean we get a more experienced rookie than we previously planned, even though H wasn't best 22 (consensus opinion) he has still played the equal second most games of anyone on our list so his experience would have been of some value.

[daisycutter 29,604]

39 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The club gave him the all clear during the year & H said "no i am not ready"

something is not adding up. There is more to this

that's what i remember being reported too. doesn't sound like the club holding him back. always was a strange cat, h

[Mickey 4,647]

21 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Was an interesting interview with Ralphy (so take from it what you will) on SEN this morning, who seemed to have been in discussion with someone at the club - basically said because of the previous players we've had with concussion, Ro Bail, Gus, Viney etc. that we are leaders in the industry in managing it. Also that the club think they have an extremely strong legal position if it came down to it.

Said the likely outcome is a negotiated payout, but if pushed the club thinks we might be able to get H off the books completely for 2017 (salary cap wise). He'll stay on the list and essentially be like Melks last year.

I like this, and not just due to the strong legal position it puts us in. That the club is an industry leader in this particular issue is something to really be proud of

[TheoX 1,222]

Hmm not many defending this peanut now.

[DubDee 25,669]

So with H and Dawes gone we should have ~$1 Million Cap space.  

Nice to free up room for Fyfe next year!

[ManDee 7,124]

I am a cynic, much of what is reported in the papers contains factual errors.

In the Age, "H" is not quoted. Mahoney is quoted. Where do they get the details? Who said Lumumba has a problem and would probably sue? He has no manager and no claims are made about talking to him. The quotes attributed to Mahoney talk of the clubs care and that Lumumba was consulting further specialists prior to returning to training.(summation not quote).

I think the media can smell a story and are joining a lot of dots. They may be right, just like Trump has no chance of being elected, oh wait.

 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

9 minutes ago, DubDee said:

So with H and Dawes gone we should have ~$1 Million Cap space.  

Nice to free up room for Fyfe next year!

We did bring in Lewis, so I'd say all the Dawes money has gone. Bringing in Hibberd would have taken Grimes money (which would have been a fair bit because he was captain when he signed) so the H money will probably just help retain our young guns. Not a bad thing, I was worried thinking about how we would afford all of Viney, Hoges, Gus, Tracc, Hunt, Salem, Weid etc.. going forward

[spirit of norm smith 16,292]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

They got Howell and we got Dawes, Harry and Kennedy.

I think they are well in front.

Agree. We got dudded again. Hope BenKen lifts a notch in 2017

Edited November 23, 2016 by spirit of norm smith
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[Sir Why You Little 36,983]

9 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I am a cynic, much of what is reported in the papers contains factual errors.

In the Age, "H" is not quoted. Mahoney is quoted. Where do they get the details? Who said Lumumba has a problem and would probably sue? He has no manager and no claims are made about talking to him. The quotes attributed to Mahoney talk of the clubs care and that Lumumba was consulting further specialists prior to returning to training.(summation not quote).

I think the media can smell a story and are joining a lot of dots. They may be right, just like Trump has no chance of being elected, oh wait.

 

Yep there is more to this that we as yet are not being told

[beelzebub 23,313]

Wonder what today will bring. Mandee's observations are quite valid. You can bet the houbds will be after him.

Watch this space me thinks

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

28 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I am a cynic, much of what is reported in the papers contains factual errors.

In the Age, "H" is not quoted. Mahoney is quoted. Where do they get the details? Who said Lumumba has a problem and would probably sue? He has no manager and no claims are made about talking to him. The quotes attributed to Mahoney talk of the clubs care and that Lumumba was consulting further specialists prior to returning to training.(summation not quote).

I think the media can smell a story and are joining a lot of dots. They may be right, just like Trump has no chance of being elected, oh wait.

 

Well,

• He's parted ways with his manager.
• MFC have approached the AFLPA so resolve "something"
• He hasn't been seen at training for who knows how long
• Nobody saw him get any sort of head knock
• He's not near the best 22
• He has a performance based contract
• He's always been "different"

There is clearly some sort of serious issue.  I'd be very surprised if the core of the report was wrong. The idea that concussion is the (only) issue is naive.  Sadly I think he has a mental health issue.  The dots were very easy to join together a long time ago but many here refused to accept that.

 

Edit:

And if the story isn't correct then the club would deny it very quickly.  If we haven't seen something by lunchtime you can take it to the bank.

 

Edited November 23, 2016 by Vogon Poetry

[ManDee 7,124]

3 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

Well,

• He's parted ways with his manager.
• MFC have approached the AFLPA so resolve "something"
• He hasn't been seen at training for who knows how long
• Nobody saw him get any sort of head knock
• He's not near the best 22
• He has a performance based contract
• He's always been "different"

There is clearly some sort of serious issue.  I'd be very surprised if the core of the report was wrong. The idea that concussion is the (only) issue is naive.  Sadly I think he has a mental health issue.  The dots were very easy to join together a long time ago but many here refused to accept that.

 

So if he floats he is a very small rock or ..... a witch?