On 1/23/2021 at 5:32 PM, Neil Crompton said:

Interested to hear how you know Kobe has the “talent and the tricks” SONS, as he can’t have produced many if he was not selected at the draft.

Talent and and the draft aren’t mutually exclusive! ESP this yr due to no exposed form for many of the kids... look at Jeff, he’s the prime example and was even at an AFL club and traded for nothing (Phil Gilbert) and then lured back by the SAME club that traded him. Kobe has shown the talent he has already ask around. What he needed to show and by all accounts is doing so, is his work-rate & perseverance!

On 1/24/2021 at 10:21 AM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

He was overlooked in the draft so father-son rule is out the window now.

Can Freo even sign him if hes training with us?

Can but won’t. Clubs usually only take players training with them as it’s entire point of not using pick at draft - ie wanna see them at the level first  

33 minutes ago, dworship said:

Always room for one more!

while you are at it, please make it two.

On 1/24/2021 at 12:21 PM, Cranky Franky said:

Much ado about nothing.

The 2 posters who have actually seen him play said he is average & on par with say 40 other small forwards in the comp.

Hahahaha

cus they the best judges? Mate if u went by posters or track observers for list Mgmt decisions, our list would be FULL of highlight  hypers or training drill standout only spuds like NEWTON, TAPSCOTT, BLEASE or COOK or HULETT.

let’s let one the best rec teams in the land decide if he is worth it maybe... cool

Edited January 25, 20214 yr by Nudge

20 minutes ago, Nudge said:

Talent and and the draft aren’t mutually exclusive! ESP this yr due to no exposed form for many of the kids... look at Jeff, he’s the prime example and was even at an AFL club and traded for nothing (Phil Gilbert) and then lured back by the SAME club that traded him. Kobe has shown the talent he has already ask around. What he needed to show and by all accounts is doing so, is his work-rate & perseverance!

I was asking SONS how he knows that Kobe has the "talent and the tricks", as it obviously hasn't been demonstrated to date if you can believe the draft. While i certainly hope he is the goods, in contrast, some people who have seen him play have said that he is very average in terms of underage skills. You obviously don't know the answer to that question either Nudge, as all you can tell me is to "ask around". Well i was asking around and nobody can confirm if in fact he does have the "talent and skills" or is it simply a case of wishful thinking by the original poster (and perhaps you). If you do know then please enlighten us all. (I note that SONS hasn't responded to my question, nor Dazzledavey36's similar question). 

48 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

while you are at it, please make it two.

Your not there ..... yet

5 minutes ago, dworship said:

Your not there ..... yet

You must be pretty busy coming from Ballarat [joke]

I came from Linton, bet you never heard of that..

On 1/23/2021 at 4:32 PM, Neil Crompton said:

Interested to hear how you know Kobe has the “talent and the tricks” SONS, as he can’t have produced many if he was not selected at the draft.

From the video content, he looked smart around goals and quick on the loose footy. But he’s stats in the Colts were low (av around 9 possessions) but good in terms of tackles average 5. It was an opinion which we all are entitled. I hope the Son of Wiz makes it. Would be a great story. Not saying he is a world beater but perhaps like his old man, he can bring some excitement.  
 

It’s a supporters board. Not always to throw dirt at fellow Demon fanatics. Some posters seem to want to just target others just to get their thrills. 

7 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

I was asking SONS how he knows that Kobe has the "talent and the tricks", as it obviously hasn't been demonstrated to date if you can believe the draft. While i certainly hope he is the goods, in contrast, some people who have seen him play have said that he is very average in terms of underage skills. You obviously don't know the answer to that question either Nudge, as all you can tell me is to "ask around". Well i was asking around and nobody can confirm if in fact he does have the "talent and skills" or is it simply a case of wishful thinking by the original poster (and perhaps you). If you do know then please enlighten us all. (I note that SONS hasn't responded to my question, nor Dazzledavey36's similar question). 

Answered. Move on. 

10 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

From the video content, he looked smart around goals and quick on the loose footy. But he’s stats in the Colts were low (av around 9 possessions) but good in terms of tackles average 5. It was an opinion which we all are entitled. I hope the Son of Wiz makes it. Would be a great story. Not saying he is a world beater but perhaps like his old man, he can bring some excitement.  
 

It’s a supporters board. Not always to throw dirt at fellow Demon fanatics. Some posters seem to want to just target others just to get their thrills. 

SONS that you for your response. 

Like all DL's, I am really hoping that Kobe makes the grade. All the evidence to date however does not suggest that. So when you stated Kobe had "the talent and the tricks" it sounded as though you had evidence to the contrary which we all would have welcomed. Hence my question. There was no "dirt" thrown at you, nor was I targeting you "to get my thrills". I simply wanted to know whether your statement was based on fact or simply your opinion. No problem either way, but thanks for clarifying. 

This is an opinion board, and as you rightly say, everyone is entitled to express their opinion. The problem for me is when  opinion is disguised as fact (unintentionally or not), which in your case (particularly as you are a creditable poster), builds up hope in the reader that may not in fact be warranted.  

  

That’s the point. It wasn’t facts I was quoting. Facts is he kicked x goals.  He played x games It was an opinion. Talent and tricks. I think Kobe has the ability.  The club is giving him the opportunity which I hope he embraces. 

5 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

SONS that you for your response. 

Like all DL's, I am really hoping that Kobe makes the grade. All the evidence to date however does not suggest that. So when you stated Kobe had "the talent and the tricks" it sounded as though you had evidence to the contrary which we all would have welcomed. Hence my question. There was no "dirt" thrown at you, nor was I targeting you "to get my thrills". I simply wanted to know whether your statement was based on fact or simply your opinion. No problem either way, but thanks for clarifying. 

This is an opinion board, and as you rightly say, everyone is entitled to express their opinion. The problem for me is when  opinion is disguised as fact (unintentionally or not), which in your case (particularly as you are a creditable poster), builds up hope in the reader that may not in fact be warranted.  

  

Yes I wasn’t quoting facts to be argued or dismissed. It was opinion.  I hope Kobe gets the chance.  Thanks for your post to clarify too. Us demonlanders have to stick together. 
 

Yes I am perhaps an optimist which appears to be rare on our board. We have been battered and bruised as Dees fanatics but we rise again and again year after year. Let’s hope 2021 is our year. 

He’s been overlooked in the draft by every other club. He wasn’t a stand-out for the Colts. If he didn’t have the name Farmer on his back I doubt we would have looked twice at him.

Maybe he’s a late developer and we strike gold. It would be a great story for sure but the odds are against. Let’s see how he goes but I won’t be getting my hopes up.

1 hour ago, Better days ahead said:

He’s been overlooked in the draft by every other club. He wasn’t a stand-out for the Colts. If he didn’t have the name Farmer on his back I doubt we would have looked twice at him.

Maybe he’s a late developer and we strike gold. It would be a great story for sure but the odds are against. Let’s see how he goes but I won’t be getting my hopes up.

It's only a rookie spot, so it's worth a crack. If he doesn't improve then we part ways. But I'd like him to have the year to prove his worth. Next year Woey's son is in the draft and I hope we take him too. He's supposed to be very good.

26 minutes ago, cantstandyasam said:

It's only a rookie spot, so it's worth a crack. If he doesn't improve then we part ways. But I'd like him to have the year to prove his worth. Next year Woey's son is in the draft and I hope we take him too. He's supposed to be very good.

Much as I agree we have at least two spots on the squad that are now vacant due to injury (Hore) and retirement (KK), I’m just saying that injuries can come up on a club quite suddenly if not carefully planned for. If Kobe gets the opportunity he’ll have earned it (the hard way), seeing Goody with him at training on Twitter has me feeling he will get a rookie spot. 

12 hours ago, Pates said:

Much as I agree we have at least two spots on the squad that are now vacant due to injury (Hore) and retirement (KK), I’m just saying that injuries can come up on a club quite suddenly if not carefully planned for. If Kobe gets the opportunity he’ll have earned it (the hard way), seeing Goody with him at training on Twitter has me feeling he will get a rookie spot. 

we have 3 spots on the list and all are unrelated to KK, we left two open for train on players and i think the club was eager to carry one over to the MSD due to the Covid affected victorian footy a lot of kids will have slipped through and now Hore's ACL has opened up a third spot potentially giving us the chance to sign Farmer and Deakyn Smith and still have that mid year pick

On 1/23/2021 at 2:52 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

The lid is off now.

Wiz Junior!!!

Harry

Serious question to those here who don't think Wiz Jnr should get a spot on our list:

Who would you give the spot to instead? I really don't see the harm in having him on the rookie list next year to see how he goes. We ain't gonna win a flag anytime soon without making at least some high risk/high reward moves ... 

1 hour ago, Smokey said:

Serious question to those here who don't think Wiz Jnr should get a spot on our list:

Who would you give the spot to instead? I really don't see the harm in having him on the rookie list next year to see how he goes. We ain't gonna win a flag anytime soon without making at least some high risk/high reward moves ... 

You don't give a spot on your list to someone that is not up to standard.  I have no idea if this kid can play, he meets a need that we have but he needs to be up for to it.

The club doesn't need to rush the call, we can have him do a complete pre-season, see him in intra-club and maybe a couple of Casey pre-season games, or if still uncertain have him play at Casey and pick him up in mid season draft.  

There are a number of players that missed out on being drafted that could have been if they played footy last year.  There could be some real bolters available in the mid season draft, I'm a bit of a fan of at least leaving 1 pick for this draft.

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

Serious question to those here who don't think Wiz Jnr should get a spot on our list:

Who would you give the spot to instead? I really don't see the harm in having him on the rookie list next year to see how he goes. We ain't gonna win a flag anytime soon without making at least some high risk/high reward moves ... 

I could reel off 10 names from the draft/state leagues that missed out who had far greater impact, but are imo better players in general then farmer. 

22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I could reel off 10 names from the draft/state leagues that missed out who had far greater impact, but are imo better players in general then farmer. 

I could reel off half  dozen names on our current list i would gladly move out for Farmer to get a spot

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I could reel off 10 names from the draft/state leagues that missed out who had far greater impact, but are imo better players in general then farmer. 

Please do so....

1 hour ago, jayceebee31 said:

Please do so....

Sure.

Xavier Maher

Murray Bushrangers. 185cm inside mid with power and acceleration from the contests who is able to break away from packs with speed and use the footy well. Was part of the AFL Academy program and was tipped to go inside 25 in the draft. Worked with him back in the under 16's. Currently training with Carlton. Melbourne showed interest pre draft.

Liam Kolar

Northern Knights. 195cm utility who a bit like Rosman is a freakish athlete who plays mostly down back, but was training in the midfield group over the summer with the potential of playing the wing role. Has high level of speed and endurance and another who was tipped to go top 30. Pretty sure who it was Richmond who showed strong interest. Will no doubt get another fair go in the under 19s program.

Kaine Baldwin 

Glenelg Tigers. 194cm strongly built key forward who last few years has been ruined by knee injuries. His under 16's championships was elite to the point that he was then talked about a potential top 5 draft prospect. Since then he's had two knee reconstruction. 

Sam Fisher

Swan Districts. 22 year old mature age player who had an outstanding season in the WAFL this year and averaged about averaged 26.9 disposals (ranked 2nd in the WAFL) and 7.5 clearances (3rd) per game. He won the Sandoval medal by playing as an inside/outside midfielder and has an immense running power that is able to run his opponents to the ground. Who was someone I personally hope that we would invite to train. Would put enormous pressure on our mids, and show them what two way running is all about.

Rhyan Mansell

Eagle SANFL. One bloke who i thought was extremely stiff to miss out in the draft. 182cm rebounding defender who came from tassie and had a consistent season with the eagle. Great skills by foot but also his ability to read play and use his great strength with his intercept marking. Currently training with Richmond. I hope he gets picked up. 

Henry Walsh

Geelong Falcons. 204cm tall 18 year ruckman who also was part of their AFL Academy Program. He is a good player at ground level and wins a number of clearances with his follow-up work. He was expected to have a huge role at state and NAB League level, but hasn’t been able to show how much he has developed in 12 months. Watch for him in the under 19s program coming up this year. Needs to add a few kilos but.

Jackson Callow

195cm Strongly built 18 year old forward from Tasmania who again was extremely stiff to miss out. He is a contested marking beast who again came through the AFL Academy Program. I would have loved either him or Baldwin to be invited for a train on over the summer just to see how they would go in a professional full time environment.  Kicked 24 goals in 14 games as a bottom age player in the NAB league back in 2019. Will be keeping a close eye on him this year.

I've named 7 players so far @jayceebee31 @Baghdad Bob. Happy to keep going??

Edited January 27, 20214 yr by dazzledavey36

On 1/25/2021 at 11:39 PM, Neil Crompton said:

SONS that you for your response. 

Like all DL's, I am really hoping that Kobe makes the grade. All the evidence to date however does not suggest that. So when you stated Kobe had "the talent and the tricks" it sounded as though you had evidence to the contrary which we all would have welcomed. Hence my question. There was no "dirt" thrown at you, nor was I targeting you "to get my thrills". I simply wanted to know whether your statement was based on fact or simply your opinion. No problem either way, but thanks for clarifying. 

This is an opinion board, and as you rightly say, everyone is entitled to express their opinion. The problem for me is when  opinion is disguised as fact (unintentionally or not), which in your case (particularly as you are a creditable poster), builds up hope in the reader that may not in fact be warranted.  

  

Let it go mate.

Was in the official team photo today.