9 hours ago, monoccular said:

I also liked some of what I have seen of ANB, but I don't think he is locked in.   His debut was fantastic, but then of course Gysberts' at the same ground was too :-(

But I also doubt that they would announce any delistings whilst Casey is still playing - only Norf would consider anything as stupid as that.

I don't think ANB has shown any promise at AFL level. He got on the end of a few at Geelong last year but generally struggles to get involved. Needs to find an elite attribute to make the leap in much the same way Sam Mitchell worked on his hands in close to make up for his lack of pace.

So how many players need to be delisted now? Who will they be? Will ant be rookied? 

 

So how many players need to be delisted now? Who will they be? Will ant be rookied? 

We have to make 3 senior list changes at the draft (can be selections or rookie upgrades)

Off: Grimes, M.Jones, Terlich, Dunn (traded)

On: Lewis, Hibberd, McKenna

That gives us one vacancy so we need minimum 2 more off and Dawes and Newton are uncontracted so almost certain to go.

Rookie list: Wagner (possible upgrade) Michie, White, Max King (all likely to go IMO)

B list Rookies: Smith (possible upgrade), Maynard (new so retained), one vacancy

Newton, Michie, Dawes and King are out.

5 vacancies now?

As it stands, with Grimes, Terlich, M. Jones and now Dawes and Newton being cut (including trading out Dunn and bringing in Lewis, Hibberd & McKenna), our primary list of 37 players' meets the requirement prior to drafting the mandatory 3 players to make up the total primary list of 40. We aren't required to make any further delistings from the primary list (but we still might).

 

Out: Dawes, Dunn, Grimes, Jones, Newton, Terlich

In: Hibberd, Lewis, McKenna, Pick 47, Pick 69, Pick 84

 

We've gotten rid of 6 player's no longer in the best 22 for 2 who definitely will be, 1 unknown (delistees were a known quantity, not adding up to much) and 3 speculatives.

Overall, we have improved the quality of our list.

Edited October 21, 20168 yr by Demon Disciple

Newton and Michie were scaffolding, they provided temporary support while the main building was being constructed.

I imagine that Bugg and Kennedy will follow suit in coming years.

3 senior list vacancies. Dawes, Newton, Terlich, Grimes, M Jones, Dunn out. Lewis, Hibberd, McKenna traded in.

2 rookie list vacancies. Michie and Max King out.

1 cat B rookie list vacancy

Three live picks, I reckon we will use 2 promote Wagner.  Look to State league competitions for a couple of developing ruckman to rookie and another kid.

I reckon we just look for pure speed in the draft.  Players that are quick that we can hopefully coach to be good footballers.

 

Newton, Michie, Dawes and King are out.

5 vacancies now?

Was inevitable but always a bit sad when players like this don't work out, not for want of effort but for just falling short on talent. Good luck to them all. 

Edited October 21, 20168 yr by chook fowler

I wonder if we will cut one more for a PSD pick. I guess they would have done it now...

In Mahoney's interview today he seemed to indicate we were not going to use 84 (Pat McKenna was better in our mind than what we would get at pick 84 - I think he said from memory). 

So 2 in via the draft and one upgrade. We should start taking bets on Wagner, White or Smith. 

2 or 3 picks in the rookie draft. Wonder if McInerney, T. Smith, and Keilty are in our sights. 

 

I wonder if we will cut one more for a PSD pick. I guess they would have done it now...

PSD is somewhat redundant now. With the de-listed free agents group, you can pick up these players now. And the draft is now open to anyone, not just 18-19 year olds. The PSD is basically a thing of the past / a mechanism to scare people to get deals done. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-21/big-dee-out-as-melbourne-cuts-four-more

 

I was just checking the rules on the AFL site and any rookies we pick up can be part of the 3 mandatory selections.   So we don't have to take that many from our draft selections.

 

In Mahoney's interview today he seemed to indicate we were not going to use 84 (Pat McKenna was better in our mind than what we would get at pick 84 - I think he said from memory). 

So 2 in via the draft and one upgrade. We should start taking bets on Wagner, White or Smith. 

2 or 3 picks in the rookie draft. Wonder if McInerney, T. Smith, and Keilty are in our sights. 

We've lost 6 (Grimes,Terlich,Jones, Dunne,Dawes and Newton) from our primary list and brought in 3.  If we upgrade both Smith and Wagner that means we are one short for a full list.  I think they'll go for just one in the draft and then go for more options at rookie level.  I wouldn't be surprised if they delist White as well.

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I feel ANB still has potential - a run of a few games and he could show his wares - and also agree that when given the opportunity aside from Kardinia - he hasn't managed to grab it - a lack of delisting shows me that there is still hope held...not sure why I like him, but I do.

 

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For whoever it is who is asking - I'm experiencing the same thing.

 

For whoever it is who is asking - I'm experiencing the same thing.

yes, it is correct SKUIT and McQueen

 

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Yes Steve, I've also been wondering about this.

 

I don't think ANB has shown any promise at AFL level. He got on the end of a few at Geelong last year but generally struggles to get involved. Needs to find an elite attribute to make the leap in much the same way Sam Mitchell worked on his hands in close to make up for his lack of pace.

I think ANB deserves a bit more time and slack to be honest.  Only 20 years old and has really dominated at the level below AFL as an inside midfielder. It's only for the fact that we have a lot of inside mids at the moment and we had very few injuries that he didn't get a better run at it this year.  

Also if you are looking for an elite attribute I believe his endurance is considered elite.

So, our full list of players 26 or older is - 

Lewis, Vince, Lumumba, Pederson, N. Jones, Garland, Garlett, Jetta, Spencer.

Just 9 players. 5 of them reliably in our best 22, a couple of fringe/mature depth, and an crisis-only ruckman.

Of the entire rest of the list, every player is either able to contribute at AFL level, or a kid worth monitoring their progress. Oh, plus Trengove on a one-year contract to see how he comes back from injury after finally doing a pre-season.

 

How did this happen, we have become a club with basically close to no dead wood, no list clogging waste of salary cap players.

Some clubs have almost nothing but dead wood!

 

I think ANB deserves a bit more time and slack to be honest.  Only 20 years old and has really dominated at the level below AFL as an inside midfielder. It's only for the fact that we have a lot of inside mids at the moment and we had very few injuries that he didn't get a better run at it this year.  

Also if you are looking for an elite attribute I believe his endurance is considered elite.

Don't disagree with any of that.

I've been very quiet during the Trade period, but I've been reading multiple times daily, as always. Don't forget ANB had an interrupted pre-season in 2016. He has a few disposal deficiencies, as were exposed during VFL finals. He does, however get plenty of it! He also has the noddy head, arrogant front that gets up the nose of opponents. A little bit of Bugg there! He is young and he has shown something in more than a single game at the highest level. I think this is an important year for him and I hope he gets an injury free run at it. Then we will be in a position to draw conclusions.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lumbumba retire. Spencer could nominate for pre season draft along with ANB.,if they want to get a better opportunity to play seniors.