Changes vs Carlton

[Die Hard Demon 1,152]

8 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

Presuming that Garlett and Hogan get up, the only change I'd make is;

OUT: Harmes

IN: Salem

I can't see this happening though. Roos seems forgiving of poor disposal if the intent/energy/commitment is there. 

I'd also make the same change. However Roosy's mantra of persisting with certain blokes with poor disposal & low confidence is paying off.. aka Oscar Mcdonald. If Harmes is selected again, I'll back in his decision. There's no doubt though he's capable of some great footy! That bit of play against the 2 Hawks defenders, then kick to Kent in the goal square springs to mind. 

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Watched the Port replay a couple of times, I thought Harmes was pretty average again.  Missed targets and was caught a few times.  Needs a spell in my opinion.

[Nasher 33,083]

11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

If the concern is carrying too many players who mightn't be able to run out much more than 60% of the game, then Weideman shouldn't be in the conversation.

I think bringing in one is different to bringing in three, which was the premise I was responding to.

[Nasher 33,083]

Sunday game, so I'm guessing the initial squad will read:

IN: Jones M, Kennedy, Salem
OUT: -

Jones, because Plapp said in his review that he played like an AFL player in the VFL - as ringing an endorsement as I've seen;
Kennedy as the obvious replacement for Garlett if he doesn't get up
Salem because he's class

I've gone cold on the idea of Weideman for this week.  

[Lucifers Hero 37,173]

10 hours ago, daisycutter said:

team will be announced as no change. 3 emergencies, salem, ?, and ?

Dawes, unfortunately.

I think Salem will play - Roos: "There'll be some tough decisions but Christian's someone you'd love to get back in because we know he's a quality player but it'll be based on form and who we can push in and out,"

Christian is our silkiest player, (second only to Jack Watts) so I reckon he will 'push someone out'.  I reckon it will be for Harmes or Bugg only because Christian is a far better player and he needs AFL level match fitness before we take on Geelong and he is needed for the finals). 

Edited August 17, 2016 by Lucifer's Hero

[Nasher 33,083]

9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Christian is our silkiest player, (second only to Jack Watts) so I reckon he will 'push someone out'.  I reckon it will be for Harmes or Bugg only because Christian is a far better player and he needs AFL level match fitness before we take on Geelong and he is needed for the finals). 

Harmes has become a victim of Demonland groupthink IMO, so I won't go in to that, but I really doubt Bugg's spot is in doubt.  He's been excellent since returning from his VFL stint.  His intensity is back up, his ball use has been clean, and he's kicking goals from the midfield.  

I'm a Salem fan, but I'm happy to keep him waiting rather than dropping a player in good form for him.

[Gator 16,893]

27 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Harmes has become a victim of Demonland groupthink IMO, so I won't go in to that,

Like Grimes and Garland ?

[CBDees 3,162]

7 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Like Grimes and Garland ?

No like Watts and OMac! Lucky that Roos doesn't follow Demonland advice.

[Nasher 33,083]

23 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Like Grimes and Garland ?

Is the player who has played 1 game in the VFL like the players who have played the whole season there?

Yeah, nah.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Is the player who has played 1 game in the VFL like the players who have played the whole season there?

Yeah, nah.

 

 

Weren't Demonlanders accused of GT when it came to Garland and Grimes ?

I'm not so much referring to Harmes, as he has attributes I like, but if he doesn't improve his kicking he'll fall the way of the above two.

Anyway, my point being it wasn't GT with Garland and Grimes, it was using one's eyes.

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19 minutes ago, CBDees said:

No like Watts and OMac! Lucky that Roos doesn't follow Demonland advice.

You mean like Roos dropping Watts twice in his 7th year ?  Let's not pretend that Watts hasn't saved his career in 2016.

Oscar was played before he was ready.  I'm OK with that as it happens to most young players.

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2 minutes ago, ProDee said:

You mean like Roos dropping Watts twice in his 7th year ?  Let's not pretend that Watts hasn't saved his career in 2016.

Oscar was played before he was ready.  I'm OK with that as it happens to most young players.

A bit like Watts...

 

[Binmans PA 26,235]

2 hours ago, hells bells said:

Watched the Port replay a couple of times, I thought Harmes was pretty average again.  Missed targets and was caught a few times.  Needs a spell in my opinion.

Won't happen. Has been like that all year and Roos has continued to back him. Not sure it'll last all next year though unless he improves his disposal dramatically.

Edited August 18, 2016 by AdamFphlebeb

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1 minute ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

Won't happen. Has been like that all year and Roos has continued to back him. Not sure it'll last all next year though unlesd he improves his disposal dramatically.

Is that you Dawesh?

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1 minute ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

Is that you Dawesh?

Yes, Christ Dawesh. Hi. And obviously a typo.

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46 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Weren't Demonlanders accused of GT when it came to Garland and Grimes ?

I'm not so much referring to Harmes, as he has attributes I like, but if he doesn't improve his kicking he'll fall the way of the above two.

Anyway, my point being it wasn't GT with Garland and Grimes, it was using one's eyes.

They might have been, not me though. I never thought Grimes would be near our 22 this year. I would have had Garland in my 22 at the start of the year (and he did play early I'll add), but at that stage I hadOscar in the VFL, Frost forward, and I'd never heard of Josh Wagner. As the season has unfolded I have zero complaints about Garland's treatment.

I think a better comparison would be Tom McDonald. There are a few on here who have tuned themselves to see every mistake, big or small, to the point where it's now all they see. I see the same thing happening with Harmes.

I totally agree that he needs to clean up those errors, no disputing that. I just don't agree that he's anywhere near the fringe of our side, and his standing in our side supports that, but his name comes up in these discussions every week. 

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11 minutes ago, Nasher said:

They might have been, not me though. I never thought Grimes would be near our 22 this year. I would have had Garland in my 22 at the start of the year (and he did play early I'll add), but at that stage I hadOscar in the VFL, Frost forward, and I'd never heard of Josh Wagner. As the season has unfolded I have zero complaints about Garland's treatment.

I think a better comparison would be Tom McDonald. There are a few on here who have tuned themselves to see every mistake, big or small, to the point where it's now all they see. I see the same thing happening with Harmes.

I totally agree that he needs to clean up those errors, no disputing that. I just don't agree that he's anywhere near the fringe of our side, and his standing in our side supports that, but his name comes up in these discussions every week. 

The comparison with McDonald is not apt IMO because even when making errors, McDonald would bring the defensive aspects of his game. Harmes is hard at it, but he's next to useless if he's not getting the ball. And most of the time when he gets it, he puts team mates under pressure with poor disposal. It's like PD said, it might not translate on the stat sheet how poor his disposal is, but 'using one's eyes', he's a butcher.

Edited August 18, 2016 by AdamFphlebeb

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I just don't see what Harmes has over Trengove

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16 minutes ago, Nasher said:

They might have been, not me though. I never thought Grimes would be near our 22 this year. I would have had Garland in my 22 at the start of the year (and he did play early I'll add), but at that stage I hadOscar in the VFL, Frost forward, and I'd never heard of Josh Wagner. As the season has unfolded I have zero complaints about Garland's treatment.

I think a better comparison would be Tom McDonald. There are a few on here who have tuned themselves to see every mistake, big or small, to the point where it's now all they see. I see the same thing happening with Harmes.

I totally agree that he needs to clean up those errors, no disputing that. I just don't agree that he's anywhere near the fringe of our side, and his standing in our side supports that, but his name comes up in these discussions every week. 

 

4 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

The comparison with McDonald is not apt IMO because even when making errors, McDonald would bring the defensive aspects of his game. Harmes is hard at it, but he's next to useless if he's not getting the ball. And most of the time when he gets it, he puts team mates under pressure with poor disposal. It's like PD said, it might not translate on the stat sheet how poor his disposal is, but 'using one's eyes', he's a butcher.

Although, Harmes has been dropped this year, TMac hasn't. Possibly reinforces AF's point a bit.

 

[Nasher 33,083]

If you thought I was comparing the worth of McDonald and Harmes as players then I've clearly failed in getting my point across again. I'll leave it at that.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,177]

Gawn and Salem flew out of the country this morning according to Max's Instagram... Anyone know to where or why..???

 

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6 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Gawn and Salem flew out of the country this morning according to Max's Instagram... Anyone know to where or why..???

 

This is Max Gawn we're talking about... It'll be a prank of some kind.

 

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9 minutes ago, Nasher said:

If you thought I was comparing the worth of McDonald and Harmes as players then I've clearly failed in getting my point across again. I'll leave it at that.

Not as players, but there was an element of your theory about Roos not caring much about disposal compared to effort, and given Harmes always competes, he was surely dropped for his poor ball use? I rate Harmes, I liken him to Nate Jones early on and think he'll work on his disposal just as hard and become a player for us, but people are right to question his decision making and ball use at this stage.

 

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54 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Gawn and Salem flew out of the country this morning according to Max's Instagram... Anyone know to where or why..???

 

Aaaaaaaand it's gone... Hopefully I didn't ruin the joke for everyone.

[Coq au vin 754]

5 hours ago, stuie said:

Not as players, but there was an element of your theory about Roos not caring much about disposal compared to effort, and given Harmes always competes, he was surely dropped for his poor ball use? I rate Harmes, I liken him to Nate Jones early on and think he'll work on his disposal just as hard and become a player for us, but people are right to question his decision making and ball use at this stage.

 

Jones' disposal is often poor.