Demonland 74,467 Posted July 26, 2016 Posted July 26, 2016 COLD, COLD, COLD by The Oracle I expect this week's game against the Gold Coast Suns to deliver final proof on the theory that the young Melbourne team is tiring badly as the season wears on. Earlier in the year, the Demons completely emasculated the Suns in the last half of their game at Metricon Stadium booting nine goals in the third term and seven in the last amassing a total of over 100 points in an outstanding performance albeit against an undermanned opponent. Melbourne's recent final quarter performances have been in stark contrast to that balmy evening on the Gold Coast when the Dees were hot, hot, hot. Since beating Collingwood in the Queens Birthday match things have cooled down considerably and those last quarter goals have dried up for the Demons. This is this sequence of goal tallies over the last five games:- ... 1,1,1,2,0 And this sorry state of affairs can't be put down simply to lack of opportunity because, as the inside 50 statistics showed last week, the team had plenty of opportunities - they simply could not finish off the good work of Max Gawn, Nathan Jones and Jack Viney. The fact that Jesse Hogan and Jack Watts were both kept goalless in a game for the first time this year scoring a mere four points between them was telling. The result would have been different had they each been able to parlay one point into a goal but then if your grandmother had ... This week's opponent is hobbled with a star studded list of midfield outs including Ablett, Hall, Prestia, Rischitelli, Swallow and most likely O'Meara who hasn't played since 2014. No matter how young and inexperienced the Demons might be or how tired those players are as we enter the twilight of the season for teams out of the running for finals berths, defeat at home on the MCG is simply unacceptable. Melbourne has proven itself incapable of winning those "must win" games but it really must not lose this one. THE GAME Melbourne v Gold Coast Suns at the MCG Sunday 31 July, 2016 at 1.10pm HEAD TO HEAD Overall - Melbourne 5 wins Gold Coast Suns 3 wins At MCG - Melbourne 3 wins Gold Coast Suns 2 wins Past five matches - Melbourne 2 wins Gold Coast Suns 3 wins The Coaches - Roos 2 wins Eade 0 wins MEDIA TV - Fox Footy Channel Live at 1.00pm RADIO - SEN ABC ABC Grandstand THE BETTING Melbourne to win - $1.19 Gold Coast Suns to win - $4.75 THE LAST TIME THEY MET Melbourne 24.16.160 defeated Gold Coast Suns 14.3.87 at Metricon Stadium Round 7, 2016 The first half was close but after that the Demons demolished the hapless Suns scoring 16.9 to 6.1 in the second half. Max Gawn led the charge with 46 hit outs. THE TEAMS MELBOURNE B: Josh Wagner, Tom McDonald, Neville Jetta HB: Jayden Hunt, Oscar McDonald, Matt Jones C: Christian Petracca, Bernie Vince, Dom Tyson HF: Jeff Garlett, Jack Watts, Sam Frost F: Chris Dawes, Jesse Hogan, Dean Kent FOLL: Max Gawn, Nathan Jones, Jack Viney I/C: Angus Brayshaw, James Harmes, Billy Stretch, Aaron vandenBerg EMG: Tomas Bugg, Colin Garland, Alex Neal-Bullen IN: Tomas Bugg, Colin Garland, Aaron vandenBerg OUT: Alex Neal-Bullen (omitted) GOLD COAST B: Nick Malceski, Steven May, Kade Kolodjashnij HB: Jarrod Harbrow, Rory Thompson, Alex Sexton C: Joshua Schoenfeld, Jesse Lonergan, Matt Shaw HF: Brandon Matera, Tom Lynch, Jarrad Grant F: Sam Day, Peter Wright, Ryan Davis FOLL: Tom Nicholls, Jack Martin, Touk Miller I/C (from) Callum Ah Chee, Jarrod Garlett, Jesse Joyce, Matt Rosa EMG: Sean Lemmens, Trent McKenzie, Seb Tape IN: Matt Rosa OUT: Seb Tape (omitted)
Wadda We Sing 10,685 Posted July 27, 2016 Posted July 27, 2016 This is this sequence of final quarter goal tallies over the last five games:- ... 1,1,1,2,0 Pretty damning stat......easy to see then when you look at it like that....
Coq au vin 755 Posted July 27, 2016 Posted July 27, 2016 Viney missed an easy set shot earlier in the game too.
Dockett 32 1,239 Posted July 27, 2016 Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Wadda We Sing said: This is this sequence of final quarter goal tallies over the last five games:- ... 1,1,1,2,0 Pretty damning stat......easy to see then when you look at it like that.... Interesting. The good sides have blokes like Franklin, Rioli, Dangerfield ,Selwood and co. who just take matters into their own hands and get the job done in certain circumstances and it stamps them from the rest. Carey and a few others used to do it too. After many years without such personnel, hoping that instead of lowering his head, Hogan just does what's required to get to this happening, knocks them out of the way, belts them ,whatever, Petracca as well and I'll throw in Oliver and Viney too. I think these now are the people to carry us forward. These four have the talent to do things a bit differently for us , learn to hate defeat and without any data too support this notion, I still reckon it will start happening before too long.
praha 11,267 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 We should run away with a 8-9 goal win never coming out of second gear.
Adam The God 30,752 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 What have they learnt from the Essendon game? Overwhelming favourites. A depleted opposition. The game being played on our home deck. We should win by 10 goals. This will be an interesting game.
Straight Sets Simon 23,113 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, praha said: We should run away with a 8-9 goal win never coming out of second gear. I'd prefer a one point win with us having to get into fifth gear to get it.
poita 3,945 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 On paper we should win this easily, but it all depends on which Melbourne turns up. We score over 21 points a game (71) less with Dawes in the team than without him (92) , and over 31 points a game (102) less than with Pedersen in the team. We have to get our forward line setup right this week, and in my mind that means no Dawes.
SPC 3,596 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 23 minutes ago, poita said: On paper we should win this easily, but it all depends on which Melbourne turns up. We score over 21 points a game (71) less with Dawes in the team than without him (92) , and over 31 points a game (102) less than with Pedersen in the team. We have to get our forward line setup right this week, and in my mind that means no Dawes. Not sure on the stats, but any suggestion that Dawes comes out of the side, is music to my ears!!!
hemingway 7,633 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, SPC said: Not sure on the stats, but any suggestion that Dawes comes out of the side, is music to my ears!!! i think we need to move on from Dawes and move with Pedersen or look to 2017 by blooding one of the youngsters.
The Sailing Demon 379 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 OUT - C. Dawes. IN - L. Hulett. Obviously we should win this, but hey, the Demons are the masters of the reverse Houdini. I am expecting a big game from Watts and Hogan this week hopefully a bit frustrated at themselves for not standing up like we want them to (Nobody is perfect) I just don't like the team with Dawes in it, he is not a part of our future, has not played enough games this year to play our game style and I don't feel offers anything extra to the squad. Wouldn't mind seeing Oliver, Kennedy, or Bugg in, and we can drop Harmes for one of them I would assume (Looks a little flat recently, probably needs a spell) I will be avidly pressing refresh on this slow internet at sea intently and it would make my day to see another big win.
SPC 3,596 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 39 minutes ago, The Sailing Demon said: OUT - C. Dawes. IN - L. Hulett. Obviously we should win this, but hey, the Demons are the masters of the reverse Houdini. I am expecting a big game from Watts and Hogan this week hopefully a bit frustrated at themselves for not standing up like we want them to (Nobody is perfect) I just don't like the team with Dawes in it, he is not a part of our future, has not played enough games this year to play our game style and I don't feel offers anything extra to the squad. Wouldn't mind seeing Oliver, Kennedy, or Bugg in, and we can drop Harmes for one of them I would assume (Looks a little flat recently, probably needs a spell) I will be avidly pressing refresh on this slow internet at sea intently and it would make my day to see another big win. Perfect game for a debut player..
The Sailing Demon 379 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, SPC said: Perfect game for a debut player.. I hope you aren't pulling the [censored] outta me haha, I would say out of every game for the remainder of this season it would be.
Cards13 9,117 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, The Sailing Demon said: OUT - C. Dawes. IN - L. Hulett. Obviously we should win this, but hey, the Demons are the masters of the reverse Houdini. Worse than the reverse kanga, disgusting MFC bloody stop it!
beelzebub 23,392 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 5 hours ago, praha said: We should run away with a 8-9 goal win never coming out of second gear. Should ...!!! but will we ??
Radar Detector 1,347 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 We have actually had very predictable results this year IMO. 1. We generally beat teams 11th or below on the ladder 2. We generally lose against teams 10th or above on the ladder 3. We struggle in fast conditions against fast opposition (Ess, StK, Bulldogs) that exploit us on the outside and out the back I'm confident the trends will continue as I can't see how GC will win enough contested ball to supply their forwards with enough opportunities to kick a winning score. Lynch, Day and 2m Peter would need to have a field day for them to win.
stuie 7,374 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 3 hours ago, The Sailing Demon said: OUT - C. Dawes. IN - L. Hulett. Didn't catch last week's game mate?
What 18,810 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 This is a danger game. We lose this and the season is a total failure and we may not get off 7 wins.
M_9 2,216 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 5 hours ago, The Sailing Demon said: OUT - C. Dawes. IN - L. Hulett. .... Well that won't happen: a) Dawes is a favourite of Roos b) he acts structure to the forward line c) he did enough IMO last week to hold his spot
Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 5,690 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, M_9 said: Well that won't happen: a) Dawes is a favourite of Roos b) he acts structure to the forward line c) he did enough IMO last week to hold his spot (Sorry M_9; gotta get in first:) ... as opposed to providing the real thing?
Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,335 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 IN Bugg, VDB , Garland...no OUTS
DeeZee 7,496 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 Not sure about those ins. Vandenberg has zero form and I'd have Kennedy ahead of Bugg any day , especially after his stellar performance for Casey last week. Dont mind giving Col another go or Dunn
dazzledavey36 56,371 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 How Vandenberg gets a gig on top of ordinary form this year just proves how laughable the selection panel has been this year.
DeeZee 7,496 Posted July 28, 2016 Posted July 28, 2016 What does it say to guys like Grimes and Trengove when Vandenberg just gets a spot handed to him on a silver platter.
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