Surely Hunt Deserves a Rising Star Nomination

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

Who are the judges for the rising star? 

And do the same people also vote on the weekly nominations?

[jnrmac 20,154]

41 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Who are the judges for the rising star? 

And do the same people also vote on the weekly nominations?

The 'expert' judges change most years. Usually media commentators, a couple of AFL officials and an ex-legend or two.

Weekly noms are done by the AFL.

It's a farce if you ask me.

 

[Gorgoroth 13,016]

Interesting.  I'd like to know the panel who is deciding the winner this year. 

[Deeoldfart 8,061]

Interesting to note that back in March / April Demonland conducted a ballot under the thread title "Who's our best chance to win the Rising Star in 2016". 

The contenders were listed as  Petracca, Harmes, Oliver, O.Mac, Weideman and 'other',  with no specific reference to Hunty.  The outcome of the ballot was Oliver by a whisker from Petracca and then daylight the rest.  I voted Oliver but did make the following observation about Hunty:  http://demonland.com/forums/topic/39932-whos-our-best-chance-to-win-the-rising-star-in-2016/?do=findComment&comment=1246205.

Just wanted to make the point that Hunty has 'come from the clouds' in half a season to enter our calculations as a Rising Star contender.  Great effort by the young man and by our Footy Club in seeing the signs and persevering.

 

[DeeSpencer 26,070]

On 12/07/2016 at 7:52 AM, ManDee said:

No, you are wrong. Rivers stats in his Rising star year are better than Talias, but don't let facts stop you. In 2004 Rivers was 11th overall for disposal averages among Rising star nominees, Talia was 79th.  Edit:- NOTE:- 11th & 79th among eligible players for rising star - thanks billy2803

 

Jared Rivers	Name	Daniel Talia
Geelong Cats	Team	Adelaide Crows
Defender	Position	Defender
194	Career Games	113
North Adelaide	Origin	Calder Cannons
October 18, 1984	Date of Birth	October 2, 1991
Turned 20 in 2004	Age	Turned 21 in 2012
194cm	Height	196cm
94kg	Weight	98kg
2002 National Draft	Last Drafted In	2009 National Draft
Round 2, Pick #26	Last Draft Position	Round 1, Pick #13
Melbourne Demons	Last Drafted By	Adelaide Crows
2004	Stats for Season	2012
22	Games	23
5.9	Kicks Per Game	4.6
5.9	Handballs Per Game	3.4
11.8	Disposals Per Game	8.1
5.0	Marks Per Game	2.6
0	Goals Per Game	0
0	Behinds Per Game	0.1
2.2	Tackles Per Game	1.8
0	Hitouts Per Game	0
1.0	Frees For Per Game	0.6
0.4	Frees Against Per Game	0.7

 

2004 AFL Rising Stars Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)

Rank Player Team Games Average 1 Beau Waters West Coast 10 13.80 2 Sam Butler West Coast 12 13.67 3 Richard Hadley Brisbane 23 13.48 4 Brent Reilly Adelaide 14 13.36 5 Daniel Cross Western Bulldogs 14 13.29 6 Dane Swan Collingwood 13 13.15 7 Brent Moloney Geelong 15 12.67 8 Daniel Gilmore Fremantle 8 12.50 9 Steven Salopek Port Adelaide 11 11.82 10 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 19 11.79 11 Jared Rivers Melbourne 22 11.77

2012

79

Daniel Talia

Adelaide

23

8.09

Edit:- I had wrong stats listed-now fixed.

So Rivers had 4 more touches and 2.5 more marks. Hardly a huge difference. And back in 2004 after the week 2003 draft there weren't a lot of high disposal winners. Rivers would've been 45th for disposals in 2012 and right up there with Talia to win the award. I still have no interest in disposal stats for lock down key defenders. 

Toby Greene found and butchered a truck load of the ball in his first year. The rest of the GWS midfielders were very exciting but hardly dominant. Same with Wallis.

Jeremy Cameron was unlucky not to win the award after kicking 29 goals as rightfully finished 2nd. He and Talia were widely accepted as the clear top 2. 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

15 hours ago, Rafiki said:

Is Hogan the shortest kick for his size in the competition? (Set shot wise)

Probably in the last decade. I simply can't understand it. He is a powerful athlete, spends hours in the gym every week presumably some spent on developing the muscles required to kick. His accuracy in field kicking and set shots is well above average so he must be timing it ok. There is something wrong and I don't buy it is the run-up. It just makes no sense.

[ManDee 7,215]

14 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

So Rivers had 4 more touches and 2.5 more marks. Hardly a huge difference. And back in 2004 after the week 2003 draft there weren't a lot of high disposal winners. Rivers would've been 45th for disposals in 2012 and right up there with Talia to win the award. I still have no interest in disposal stats for lock down key defenders. 

Toby Greene found and butchered a truck load of the ball in his first year. The rest of the GWS midfielders were very exciting but hardly dominant. Same with Wallis.

Jeremy Cameron was unlucky not to win the award after kicking 29 goals as rightfully finished 2nd. He and Talia were widely accepted as the clear top 2. 

4 more disposals per game in this case is actually 46% more possessions per game. Rivers also had about double the marks in an era with less possessions, particularly chipping around the backline. So yes that is a huge difference. So 11th v 79th is a huge difference, but you don't like stats or does that only apply when it does not support your argument?. 

[Members' Wing 1,106]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Probably in the last decade. I simply can't understand it. He is a powerful athlete, spends hours in the gym every week presumably some spent on developing the muscles required to kick. His accuracy in field kicking and set shots is well above average so he must be timing it ok. There is something wrong and I don't buy it is the run-up. It just makes no sense.

There's no conspiracy to be found. Some players are just longer kicks than others!

[Forest Demon 4,681]

5 minutes ago, Members' Wing said:

There's no conspiracy to be found. Some players are just longer kicks than others!

Watched Open Mike with the Rocca boys. Bloody hell, couldn't they roost it. Imagine if Hogan had a 60m bomb in his bag. Unfortunately he doesn't, but obviously brings plenty of other attributes.

[DeeSpencer 26,070]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

4 more disposals per game in this case is actually 46% more possessions per game. Rivers also had about double the marks in an era with less possessions, particularly chipping around the backline. So yes that is a huge difference. So 11th v 79th is a huge difference, but you don't like stats or does that only apply when it does not support your argument?. 

I just find those stats irrelevant. Rivers was an intercept marking CHB. He use to zone off and mark. Ahead of his time really. Weitering's going to go close to winning the award this year playing somewhat similarly.

Talia was a lock down defender who didn't get involved in attacking play, but he was so good at shutting down opponents. If you have stats on his goals conceded, spoils and 1 on 1 wins I'd like them. Weitering played full back on Membrey the other week and had 5 kicked on him.

[DeeSpencer 26,070]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

Probably in the last decade. I simply can't understand it. He is a powerful athlete, spends hours in the gym every week presumably some spent on developing the muscles required to kick. His accuracy in field kicking and set shots is well above average so he must be timing it ok. There is something wrong and I don't buy it is the run-up. It just makes no sense.

Looks like the run up and his kicking action. He doesn't get a lot of momentum on his run up and he then spears the ball low. Jack Riewoldt is the same, and always passes from just outside 50. Compared to Buddy and especially Tex Walker who take their game to the next level by their ability to kick goals from outside 50.

I'd love to have Hogan work with a footy biomechanist on his running and kicking.

[jnrmac 20,154]

32 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Watched Open Mike with the Rocca boys. Bloody hell, couldn't they roost it. Imagine if Hogan had a 60m bomb in his bag. Unfortunately he doesn't, but obviously brings plenty of other attributes.

Gee it would be great if Hogan's arms were 30cm longer......

doh

[Adzman 2,154]

I'm going to cop some flak for this. But do you think if Hunt had come on like this a year earlier, that we wouldnt have traded for Melksham? I think Hunt is ahead if him off half back as of right now.

Hunt has been a true find for us and one of the real success stories of 2016.

He should get a nomination before too long.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

3 hours ago, Adzman said:

I'm going to cop some flak for this. But do you think if Hunt had come on like this a year earlier, that we wouldnt have traded for Melksham? I think Hunt is ahead if him off half back as of right now.

Hunt has been a true find for us and one of the real success stories of 2016.

He should get a nomination before too long.

Definitely a question worth asking.

Mind u Melksham dosent necessarily need to play off half back, he was picked up because we need good ball  users,  and they can be used anywhere 

[DemonWA 3,936]

I hated Jake Milkshake for the Bombers but he is a good player

[jnrmac 20,154]

13 hours ago, Adzman said:

I'm going to cop some flak for this. But do you think if Hunt had come on like this a year earlier, that we wouldnt have traded for Melksham? I think Hunt is ahead if him off half back as of right now.

Hunt has been a true find for us and one of the real success stories of 2016.

He should get a nomination before too long.

You won't cop flak but it is an impossible question to answer. I will have a go and say we were always going to trade for Melksham because Goodwin has a relationship and you can't have enough tough distributors with good foot skills off the back line. You never have your best 22 on the park so you always need multiple options.

[Lucifers Hero 40,312]

A terrific interview with a humble young man.  http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2016-07-15/the-journey-of-jayden-hunt

Shows his youthful innocence when he says he was rapt with Roos comment re 'the best 14 possession game' he had seen but 'didn't really believe him'

Doesn't like the media limelight...

As a young guy he still has development and growth but gee whiz he is good.  Look forward to see him dashing around the G for many years to come.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

A terrific interview with a humble young man.  http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2016-07-15/the-journey-of-jayden-hunt

Shows his youthful innocence when he says he was rapt with Roos comment re 'the best 14 possession game' he had seen but 'didn't really believe him'

Doesn't like the media limelight...

As a young guy he still has development and growth but gee whiz he is good.  Look forward to see him dashing around the G for many years to come.

I don't blame him for not believing Roos. When I heard the comment from him it brought back memories of Jeremy Howes great zero possession half.

Hopefully he gets one back on Stkilda this week, Acres stitched him up last time we met.

 

[brendan 3,437]

Looks a bit like Robbie flower the way he dances around players in that video clip 

[Ricky P 757]

8 minutes ago, brendan said:

Looks a bit like Robbie flower the way he dances around players in that video clip 

We have now officially reached peak #overhypingjayden.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,385]

On 12 July 2016 at 7:02 PM, Wrecker45 said:

I would love to see a longest kick competition with he and Hogan. Reckon Hunt might just have him covered. Daisy would probably beat them both.

And Bernie Vince would beat them all.

[Undeeterred 3,124]

On 7/12/2016 at 10:42 PM, Wrecker45 said:

It looks like we are getting carried away but we have had 3 rising star nominations this year (Oliver, Harmes, Petracca). Hunt has had a better year than all of them. 

 

Excellent point.

[Diamond_Jim 12,624]

Have we discussed the possibility of sainthood for this guy or will we move straight to deification a la Roman times

[ILLDieADemon 804]

Brought this up in another thread about 6 rounds ago.

His dash off the half back is unreal, the opposition can't even touch him his that quick. 

[Wilson7 2,688]

Has to get it this week, deserves it more than Markov & Dunkley. Melbourne have never had 4 rising star nominations in a season, hopefully Hunt makes it 4. The Weed and OMac also a chance to get a nomination if they play well in the last couple of weeks