We should be ready for this frequent tactic of Martin. It gives him extra time to choose the best option for disposal, which he does excellently.

I work with a martial arts expert, and I asked him about this. He says that the mistake people make when confronted with a push away is that they push back. The better response is to pull back, using the momentum of his push, to pull  him off balance.

Perhaps another approach would be to make a concerted effort to grab that outstretched hand and not let go. He'd then be in the difficult position of not being able to handball.

Whatever they decide to do , they should be ready for Martin to push them in the face when he's tackled.His effectiveness would be greatly nullified if they could somehow counteract it.

 

 

Viney grabbed the arm brilliantly once against St Kilda. Completely nullifies it

1 minute ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

We should be ready for this frequent tactic of Martin. It gives him extra time to choose the best option for disposal, which he does excellently.

I work with a martial arts expert, and I asked him about this. He says that the mistake people make when confronted with a push away is that they push back. The better response is to pull back, using the momentum of his push, to pull  him off balance.

Perhaps another approach would be to make a concerted effort to grab that outstretched hand and not let go. He'd then be in the difficult position of not being able to handball.

Whatever they decide to do , they should be ready for Martin to push them in the face when he's tackled.His effectiveness would be greatly nullified if they could somehow counteract it.

 

 

pulling requires getting a grip.  Easier to duck a bit.

Whip a chopstick out and stick it in his neck

Corralling not tackling also allows the opponent to consider his options and dispose of the footy but it seems I'm the only one who doesn't like it.

1 minute ago, leave it to deever said:

Whip a chopstick out and stick it in his neck

Wouldn't want to meet you in a dark alley!

If you get the don't argue - argue back..

5 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Viney grabbed the arm brilliantly once against St Kilda. Completely nullifies it

That was fantastic, absolutely hammered Mav Weller. Whoever made this surreal clip out of it is a God:

 

3 minutes ago, Maple Demon said:

Wouldn't want to meet you in a dark alley!

Or martin

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-star-dustin-martin-pologises-for-drunken-restaurant-incident-20151207-glhfdp.html

 

martin is probably the hardest guy to tackle in the comp....good luck

Slap the arm away and continue on into the body. Or if not at full pace, grab his wrist with both hands and yank towards and downwards to you as hard as possible.

Jack and his brother Max have done martial arts their whole lives, Jack knew the perfect way to tackle!!

There's a reason Martin's been able to do it effectively for six years, he has a combination of size, strength, balance and perfect timing. It's pretty hard to argue with a don't argue when it's done properly. That's one of the reasons why I rate Viney's tackle as the best I've ever seen.

Edited April 19, 20169 yr by Sylvia Saint

He is strong in the legs and the "don't argue" probably came from his NZ heritage as it is a Rugby tactic.

If we stick the first tackle and the second tackler arrives quickly we will get him for holding the ball ,which he does a bit.

We need to tackle with intent as we have for two weeks.

Missed easy tackles should never be tolerated.

Just now, Biffen said:

He is strong in the legs and the "don't argue" probably came from his NZ heritage as it is a Rugby tactic.

If we stick the first tackle and the second tackler arrives quickly we will get him for holding the ball ,which he does a bit.

We need to tackle with intent as we have for two weeks.

Missed easy tackles should never be tolerated.

fortunately he hasn't been racking up big numbers this year. i suggest all the players talk to him with a kiwi accent to confuse him

7 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

fortunately he hasn't been racking up big numbers this year. i suggest all the players talk to him with a kiwi accent to confuse him

mentioning family members may not be a good idea

Just don't let him get the ball (anywhere important) in the first place?

If he puts the arm out of the don't argue - he is open for a shirt front. That is one option. I would look to lay him out early (take the 3 weeks, he won't do it again when playing Melbourne, so good long term problem solver). The other option is to come in from the opposite side and either ambush him with the tackle, or pick pocket the ball out of his hands (Garlett/Oliver/Kent would all be capable of that). He is a great player though is Martin, a really tough competitor, and a true leader.

There's a move you can use when an idiot grabs the front of your shirt trying to look tough that would be perfect for this situation as it turns it into an arm lock in your favour.  I'm sure the club could find a martial arts instructor who would be happy to work out a safe and AFL-friendly version to teach the team. 

Try swinging your arm up rapidly under the elbow = high tackle and a very sore elbow/arm.

13 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

We should be ready for this frequent tactic of Martin. It gives him extra time to choose the best option for disposal, which he does excellently.

I work with a martial arts expert, and I asked him about this. He says that the mistake people make when confronted with a push away is that they push back. The better response is to pull back, using the momentum of his push, to pull  him off balance.

Perhaps another approach would be to make a concerted effort to grab that outstretched hand and not let go. He'd then be in the difficult position of not being able to handball.

Whatever they decide to do , they should be ready for Martin to push them in the face when he's tackled.His effectiveness would be greatly nullified if they could somehow counteract it.

 

 

Hope he tries to fend off Gawn.. And is subsequently ends up dislocating his shoulder!

Edited April 19, 20169 yr by Coup Cooper

Gawn would still be able to tackle him with those Inspector Gadget arms even with a don't argue.

1 hour ago, Coup Cooper said:

Hope he tries to fend off Gawn.. And is subsequently ends up dislocating his shoulder!

Firstly he must get the ball, no point fending off when you don't have it. And Gawnny wouldn't let him have it.

That's where Viney's technique was so good. Instead of trying to push the don't-argue aside and grab the body, which is impossible and is what the other player expects you to do, he grabbed Weller's don't-argue arm above the elbow. As soon as he did that, there was nothing Weller could do, it was only going to end one way. Viney used the arm to pull him in and then smash him to the ground. It's obviously something he's practised, though doing it at full pace is amazing.

I think they deported the wrong family member.