1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

Considerations:

• Our bottom seven ranked players in terms of Supercoach were Hunt 40, Oliver 41, Brayshaw 57, Lumumba 62, Kennedy 64, Matt Jones 65 and Dunn 69.

   

• I didn’t think Dunn played very well on the weekend and looks out of form.

 

 

 

Interesting thing on both those points. 

Point one, the numbers are surprising as I can definitely recall almost all those players having crucial involvements during the match. I get the feeling Hunt will be an unlucky one to go, Frost I can see being the other. 

Dont agree on the Dunn point. While I wouldn't have him as outstanding I feel he brings a stability to the backline that looked lost without him. Did do one poor piece of play from memory that was very lucky to not end up in a goal against. 

Edited April 18, 20169 yr by Pates

8 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Yeah i just saw this too, does anyone know when it happened? must have been late, i could swear i saw him a few times in the 4th

yeah he did play it out had a bandaged scone , i just guessed a cut dunno where concuss comes from ?

We rested Hogan last year in round 7, why can't we do it to Clarry in in round 5???

Look he is a 1st year player that has a longgg future ahead of him, it's not like he will be replaced by a NQR player that we all hope will play well.

IN: Vince & Garlett if fit

OUT: Oliver & Matt Jones (If injured) If not then Pedo.

28 minutes ago, ArtificialWisdom said:

Yeah i just saw this too, does anyone know when it happened? must have been late, i could swear i saw him a few times in the 4th

He was flattened in the 3rd Q. Did a concussion test and was back on in the 4th. So I don't think he's actually had a concussion, just more that he missed time during the game being evaluated for one.

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He was flattened in the 3rd Q. Did a concussion test and was back on in the 4th. So I don't think he's actually had a concussion, just more that he missed time during the game being evaluated for one.

He was flattened. Went off for a concussion test. Was peeved at having to go off as it is a minimum 20 mins off the ground. No concussion and came back on.

2 hours ago, Darbsy said:

No need worrying about AVB at the moment, word is he will be missing 4-6.

I heard something similar. Also that there were some concerns his injury is quite bad

Oh source: some bloke at the footy

Edited April 18, 20169 yr by binman
hypocrisy

Just now, binman said:

I heard something similar. Also that there were some concerns his injury is quite bad

Send him off for scans and if surgery is needed do it now!

 

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He was flattened in the 3rd Q. Did a concussion test and was back on in the 4th. So I don't think he's actually had a concussion, just more that he missed time during the game being evaluated for one.

 

30 minutes ago, BarnDee said:

yeah he did play it out had a bandaged scone , i just guessed a cut dunno where concuss comes from ?

 

10 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

He was flattened. Went off for a concussion test. Was peeved at having to go off as it is a minimum 20 mins off the ground. No concussion and came back on.

Cheers fellas, Good news then, nothing major.

Is Brayshaw likely to miss due to concussion?

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Your harsh on Dunn. He won numerous one on ones against Cloke and took him to the cleaners. His kicking is such a weapon that its able to break through opposition defence zone.

Very harsh - I thought he did his job well and made good decisions and he does kick very well.

It is very difficult to tell when watching the game on TV how well defenders are doing their job. As the TV generally follows the ball, you can't necessarily get a sense of what defenders are doing to prevent their opponents from getting to the ball and how hard they work off the ball. However, what was noticeable about Dunn's game yesterday was the excellence of his kicking. I believe he has completely changed his kicking so that rather than the long but high kicks which covered distance but gave every man and his dog time to get under them, he now delivers more direct, low passes which hit their targets more quickly. Whether it's Dunn alone, or the coaches who have made that change, kudos. It makes Dunn's kicking a much more powerful weapon. (Now it's time for someone to teach that skill to Garland).  

29 minutes ago, Redlegs Too said:

Is Brayshaw likely to miss due to concussion?

Not sure if joking, or just failed to read the thread, including the three posts directly before this one...

1 hour ago, Fat Tony said:

• Our bottom seven ranked players in terms of Supercoach were Hunt 40, Oliver 41, Brayshaw 57, Lumumba 62, Kennedy 64, Matt Jones 65 and Dunn 69.

 

The problem with Supercoach  - you can smother the ball, shepherd, block and punch the ball away from your opponent all day and you will get no points. 

Most importantly and I will use Brayshaw and Kennedy especially as examples - they both had quieter games but continually crashed into contests. Whilst they may not have got the ball themselves by being physical and by not allowing easy ball to the opposition they helped our cause as we got our fair share of the ball from spills. Also pure defensive games ( like Dunn played on Sunday) get no credit in Supercoach. It is just not helpful in deciding who are our bottom performed players.

 

Edit - Lumumba scored 62 points and Howe 53 - only 9 points difference between them ? enough said.....

 

 

How Points Are Scored

Stat Description	Points Awarded/Deducted
Effective kick	4 Points
Ineffective kick	Points
Clanger kick	-4 Points
Effective Handball	1.5 Points
Ineffective handball	Points
Handball clanger	-4 Points
Handball receive	1.5 Point
Hardball get	4.5 Points
Loose-ball get	4.5 Points
Goal	8 Points
Behind	1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession)	2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession)	6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition)	4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition)	8 Points
Tackles	4 Points
Free kick for	4 Points
Free kick against	-4 Points
Hitout to Advantage	5 Points
Gather from Hitout

Edited April 18, 20169 yr by nutbean

Supercoach and other games like it are the worst possible guide for judging players. They are worthless.

Given we've got so few injuries (touch wood), I reckon this thread should focus on who's our best 22 and how do we get from our side on the weekend to the best 22 without disrupting the team. We're all aligned that anyone dropped from the weekend is rough; but ultimately see half a dozen possible changes that could make us better. If we're going to do well in a difficult 2nd half of the season draw, we need to have a gelled team playing well together asap. 

5 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Supercoach and other games like it are the worst possible guide for judging players. They are worthless.

It rewards good kicks and handballs, marks, goals, tackles and taps - we know there is much more to a game than that - and there are nuances.

Our top super coach player this week was Bugg and whilst I thought he played well - some of his disposal was iffy and I would not have had him in our top 4. Cloke got points for kicking two goals - I thought he was poor and he got his two goals by handballs over the back to him alone in the square. However the goals did boost his rating.

Edited April 18, 20169 yr by nutbean

16 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

It is very difficult to tell when watching the game on TV how well defenders are doing their job. As the TV generally follows the ball, you can't necessarily get a sense of what defenders are doing to prevent their opponents from getting to the ball and how hard they work off the ball. However, what was noticeable about Dunn's game yesterday was the excellence of his kicking. I believe he has completely changed his kicking so that rather than the long but high kicks which covered distance but gave every man and his dog time to get under them, he now delivers more direct, low passes which hit their targets more quickly. Whether it's Dunn alone, or the coaches who have made that change, kudos. It makes Dunn's kicking a much more powerful weapon. (Now it's time for someone to teach that skill to Garland).  

They've certainly taught Tom McDonald the same thing. Heritier too, I'd say. Gosh it makes them more dangerous.

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

3 hours ago, H_T said:

I would love to see Oliver give Mr.Miyagi's favourite customer the "don't argue" Sunday night. Just once.

I want to see NeckTatts try to "don't argue" Viney. Jack can then mount arm above the fireplace.

 

23 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

I havent seen the full replay of this weeks game but he played alright last week but still doesn't look ready to me. Needs more time I think,.

8 hours ago, nutbean said:

At the moment Matt Jones is best 22 (didn't think I'd be saying that), Kennedy is best 22, Bugg is best 22. We have a fair few on current form who are best 22. The players that if they are not in the team are considered a walk up start because they are available has been drastically reduced. Form is a fickle thing and this could change in a week ( lordy,  I hope not).

If he is fit and playing well he is best 22 but you can say that for many players  - this season ( and yes, I agree that he is struggling with fitness) he is down in disposals, marks, tackles compared to last season. Through the preseason and the first 3 games his form says he is not a walk up start in the 22. 

I'll ask again - with Vince and Gartlett back, which three would you drop next week to include him. 

22 of them I suspect.

40 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

He should be looking for senior game time sometime this season I would think 'Peter'.

The sooner the better for me.

Hunt and Oliver out

Vince and Garlett in

Would love to see Patracca in but that would mean Kent or Harmes out

41 minutes ago, Peter Griffen said:

I'll start this by saying i am against this happening, but...

Sam Weiderman has been pretty consistently good so far, does he come into calculations from this point on? 

Doubt he plays for a while but the important thing hes an 18 year old key forward playing very nice footy in the VFL.. looks like another home run for Jason Taylor and co.

4 hours ago, H_T said:

I would love to see Oliver give Mr.Miyagi's favourite customer the "don't argue" Sunday night. Just once.

Viney's become pretty good at it too. Would love Mr Miyagi to try it on Viney.

4 hours ago, JackoTheMuss said:

Who plays on Riewoldt? 

McDonald.