POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[Nasher 33,617]

15 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Another thing I noted with about the 20-24 minute mark of the fourth qtr, both Hogan and Watts tried to come off the ground at the same time, both were sent back onto the ground and into the forward line to rest. it's not an excuse either, but Watts in particular was stuffed, and looked like he was cramping. 

Also on Stretch's effort in the last seconds of the game, it wasn't great delivery, but I think he was caught a little in between moving forward and working out the body contact that was to come from his opponent. He should be better for the experience.

I'm surprised more players weren't dead on their feet to be honest. It was a marathon, high intensity game, and every quarter went over 30 minutes. 

[Akum 2,660]

Thought Roos said something really interesting in his presser:

"I think what I’ve learned for this team is we have to be really educational and solution-based. We’re still a very, very young team.

"You can rev-up older teams and they flick a switch a bit, but our young guys want solutions. They want to know why are we up, why are we down, why are we playing well, why are we playing poorly, so that’s something the coaching group have made a big focus of." (quoted from the AFL website)

In contrast to last week, really liked the coaching this week, seemed to get the right balance between defence & attack.*  Perhaps coach & team are just connecting a bit better.

It's interesting too that the team seems to be able to improve their performance more effectively by being able to work out what they're doing wrong, rather than by revving them up. They need to figure it out, rather than to be revved up - in other words, just pushing them to try harder when they can't figure out where they're going wrong & how they need to fix it just isn't going to work.

* The one quibble I have this week is not having a hard tag on Harvey. But on the other hand, perhaps a zone defence rather than man-on-man means that we rebound better & get more goals as a result, so it has a better nett effect.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

14 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

There was a passage where he fumbled about 3 times in a row and somehow managed to fix his mistakes every time

Good recovery, but prefer he takes the marks.

[Phadraig 760]

1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Good recovery, but prefer he takes the marks.

Oh for sure, it is so frustrating when he drops the most simple marks but at least he makes up for it

[Akum 2,660]

31 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Another thing I noted with about the 20-24 minute mark of the fourth qtr, both Hogan and Watts tried to come off the ground at the same time, both were sent back onto the ground and into the forward line to rest. it's not an excuse either, but Watts in particular was stuffed, and looked like he was cramping.

...

Was this before or after The Mark?

[dazzledavey36 55,853]

16 minutes ago, AdamFarr said:

I hope this really burns for Stretch and it drives him to be tougher at the contest, because if we're being serious, he was soft at the contest all day. I like his run and carry, but we can't carry soft outsiders in the future. You've gotta be tough in the contest otherwise you probably won't get much of a look in. His skills won't be strong enough to warrant him getting a game just for outside run.

Stretch is not your typical soft outsider. I saw him last year really go in hard at the contests.

Lets not forget he was playing his 12 game yesterday. Games like yesterday are just the perfect experience for him. He would have learnt alot.

[Phadraig 760]

I'm sad I couldn't be a neutral supporter for this game, I think it will be one of the best games of the year. The loss definitely took some of the magic away haha

[sue 9,171]

A couple of posters and even Roos (I think) mentioned the time it took Kent to kick that last goal. But why didn't the umpire stop the clock like they usually do when players line up for goal?  What is the rule (excuse my ignorance)?

[Phadraig 760]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

A couple of posters and even Roos (I think) mentioned the time it took Kent to kick that last goal. But why didn't the umpire stop the clock like they usually do when players line up for goal?  What is the rule (excuse my ignorance)?

The clock only stops if they place the ball on the ground to do up their shoes or something

[jnrmac 20,271]

4 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

The clock only stops if they place the ball on the ground to do up their shoes or something

Lack of awareness by Kent.

[Phadraig 760]

Just now, jnrmac said:

Lack of awareness by Kent.

He seemed like he was in 2 minds after he took the mark, I thought he was going to go for a pass for a second there

[sue 9,171]

3 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

The clock only stops if they place the ball on the ground to do up their shoes or something

Are you sure? Don't they also do it when they are trying to line up a player on an angle? If so, it should apply at any angle, even 90/0 degrees.

[Phadraig 760]

1 minute ago, sue said:

Are you sure? Don't they also do it when they are trying to line up a player on an angle? If so, it should apply at any angle, even 90/0 degrees.

I think you are clutching at straws here haha, he was always on the right line and there was no reason to call time off

[Deestroy All 14,266]

He kicked the goal. If he rushed and missed the knives would be out, can't win.

There was time enough to score again.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

He kicked the goal. If he rushed and missed the knives would be out, can't win.

There was time enough to score again.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,435]

After last weeks debacle I was looking forward to this game to see how the players would respond. Needless to say halfway through the first quarter I was ready to start planning other things to do on the weekend for the rest of the year.

To turn things around the way we did from about the 20 minute mark of the first quarter was a great turnaround and testament to the character and will of the players. Some of the young(ish) guys really stood up, Oliver, Gawn, Tyson, Hogan, Salem, Viney.

The test is now to carry that form and effort into next week, the week after and every game they play from here on out. The next 3 games are eminently winnable so we really should have no excuse for dropping any of them. Cannot wait to see Brayshaw, Petracca and Garlett back into the team, we really missed Garlett yesterday he would've kicked a bag.

Oh and the umpiring was atrocious, the bald headed one was the worst culprit. Surely that has to be looked into, the favouritism was blatant to the point where it wouldn't surprise if there was an agenda there (betting, favouritism whatever). It was downright pathetic from a supposedly professional sport.

[Ouch! 2,269]

1 hour ago, Akum said:

Was this before or after The Mark?

It was before his mark and attempted pass to Hogan,

Both came towards the bench, and got told to stay on the ground. At the time Watts was on the wing, and was stretching out the groin and looked like he was struggling a bit. He made it up forward and was doing some more stretching out in the leg/groin area.

[binman 44,512]

Really frustrating loss. If Roos was a more defensive coach we would have won that game.....

[Phadraig 760]

After watching Gawns post match interview I think he is upset to lose to Goldy in such a close match, he looked crushed. He held more than his own in the game though.. kicking 2 goals was a very good effort and lets be honest Goldy got a fair few cheap goals I feel.

[Deestroy All 14,266]

2 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

After watching Gawns post match interview I think he is upset to lose to Goldy in such a close match, he looked crushed. He held more than his own in the game though.. kicking 2 goals was a very good effort and lets be honest Goldy got a fair few cheap goals I feel.

I really enjoy the vast majority of our interviews these days. Very honest, reflective and the players know what they're talking about. 

A few years ago they made me sick, the waffle Bruce and Green and Robbo, even Neitz at times came out with was just cringe worthy. 

[Ouch! 2,269]

8 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

After watching Gawns post match interview I think he is upset to lose to Goldy in such a close match, he looked crushed. He held more than his own in the game though.. kicking 2 goals was a very good effort and lets be honest Goldy got a fair few cheap goals I feel.

There is an article on FoxSports site which said before Goldstein got 80 hitouts last year against GWS (without Mumford) Gawns effort would equalled the highest hitout tally in an AFL game. The fact that he did it against the reigning All Australian Ruckman indicates how good an effort it was. They reckon his game was better that Goldstein's game.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/max-gawn-beats-todd-goldstein-in-ruck-battle-early-brownlow-contenders-round-3-footy-shorts/news-story/14582429ff747e9b93ffec1c904a7c9a

Regardless of who won the battle between the two players, both players had pretty fantastic games, and both were huge to their respective teams.... 

[H_T 3,049]

6 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

There is an article on FoxSports site which said before Goldstein got 80 hitouts last year against GWS (without Mumford) Gawns effort would equalled the highest hitout tally in an AFL game. The fact that he did it against the reigning All Australian Ruckman indicates how good an effort it was. They reckon his game was better that Goldstein's game.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/max-gawn-beats-todd-goldstein-in-ruck-battle-early-brownlow-contenders-round-3-footy-shorts/news-story/14582429ff747e9b93ffec1c904a7c9a

Regardless of who won the battle between the two players, both players had pretty fantastic games, and both were huge to their respective teams.... 

 

It's no wonder he won $50 off Roosy.

[Gator 17,967]

Gawn was the better ruckman and Goldstein the better follower.

[Ouch! 2,269]

3 minutes ago, ProDee said:

Gawn was the better ruckman and Goldstein the better follower.

I think it is simply that Goldstein presents up forward more strongly than Gawn does at this point in his career.

[Gator 17,967]

1 minute ago, Ouch! said:

I think it is simply that Goldstein presents up forward more strongly than Gawn does at this point in his career.

That too.