Drop Hogan

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree with keeping him off air, but has he even been on air except for that one pre-training interview following the Saints NAB game? I don't think they're running around using him as a marketing tool in the media, no more than other young players.

He was on the footy show couple of weeks ago.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,786]

4 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

He was on the footy show couple of weeks ago.

OK fair enough, I haven't watched that in years

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

OK fair enough, I haven't watched that in years

I don't really take notice either. Just at the folks house and they had it on.

[Lucifers Hero 37,524]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree with keeping him off air, but has he even been on air except for that one pre-training interview following the Saints NAB game? I don't think they're running around using him as a marketing tool in the media, no more than other young players.

I can't remember when these were but the media things I remember are:

- a pre season press conf which didn't seem to have much purpose. 

- media interview reacting to the Ox about run-up.  Why get into a media scrap?

- short interview on TFS promoting a sports store.  Other well known players were there - eg Rioli who could have taken the live cross. 

- And I recall hearing him talk since but can't remember where about the Ox thing and Jesse saying it was just friendly banter.

Whether the club is deliberately making him 'the face' of the club I don't know but it is looking that way along with Jack Viney. They are both 21 trying to establish their games.  Yes, we are all hoping they will be our future stars and yes we need to sell memberships.  That is a lot of responsibility on young shoulders.  But in the meantime I think the club would do well to cut back the air time at least till we win a string of games and climb the ladder. 

Otherwise we will have kids trying to defend poor performance which isn't their job.

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Love it how people who watch the Footy Show, don't really watch the Footy Show. 

It was just on in the background.....

Come out of the closet people...

 

[Ted Lasso 17,312]

I don't mind the footy show, but only in small doses

[13thFlagIsComing 522]

Draw a salary or create a legacy...it's your call MFC.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2016 by 13thFlagIsComing

[Ethan Tremblay 28,777]

1 hour ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

He was on the footy show couple of weeks ago.

That wasn't for the club. It was for his sponsor Adidas. 

[Devil is in the Detail 883]

11 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

That wasn't for the club. It was for his sponsor Adidas. 

Was still media representation. With all the questions we are discussing in this form asked. Media pressure is media pressure, whether it is for the club or not.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

I know many on here believe he'll be our future CHF with Weid to play deep forward potentially alongside Petracca. I'm in that camp too.

I wonder how Roos/Goodwin foresee next year's forward setup and I also wonder about our current setup. 

Clearly the way we're delivering the ball to Hogan is absolutely rubbish and opposition sides are more aware of Hogan's dominance after last year. The forward-line, (along with many other areas) has struggled in the opening two rounds and I'm wondering if the coaches would release him further up the ground as early as this week to allow him to get involved in ways other than just marking..  Especially given that he is one of our better ball users. It would also change our forward setup potentially for the better. Perhaps start with Watts deeper alongside Pederson (who is a poor runner). 

It's really hard to know how much of Roos' starting setup etc is to blame if any. 

But I wouldn't mind seeing some positional changes at the first bounce this Sunday. Perhaps we could go back to assigning specific forwards for Dunn and McDonald to take for the entirety of the game rather than this rotating circus we've been seeing that simply isn't working.

Just a thought?

Edited April 6, 2016 by stevethemanjordan

[nutbean 8,837]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

OK fair enough, I haven't watched that in years

you have gone up in my esteem by 18 levels.....

[junk 342]

The Dees need to get tougher on players who are not pulling their weight in particular those that have more than two years experience. Dropping senior player for several weeks will send a message to anyone who slackens off. The captain should demand his coach set harsher penalties for slackers otherwise we should get someone who has the guts to do the job. Dropping Hogan would be foolish considering there is no decent options. To keep Hogan we need to win matches quick. The other problem we have is that we can't seem to turn ordinary players into good players. 

[Tessaract 66]

On Monday, April 04, 2016 at 3:57 PM, old dee said:

There is no one else ProDee to play at FF.

There are a few who can fill the spot and contribute at CHF

How many years will Max King be on the rookie list...he was ok in NAB last year...time to give him an opportunity.

 

[boydie 653]

8 minutes ago, Tessaract said:

How many years will Max King be on the rookie list...he was ok in NAB last year...time to give him an opportunity.

 

0 after this season, unfortunately for him it's make or break time.

[old dee 23,256]

14 hours ago, boydie said:

0 after this season, unfortunately for him it's make or break time.

My gut tells me he is already Broke.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

14 hours ago, Tessaract said:

How many years will Max King be on the rookie list...he was ok in NAB last year...time to give him an opportunity.

 

So because he's been on the list for a few years means he deserves a run, regardless of form or ability?

I'm all for changing things up a little, but let's think it through.  Max King is far from ready and he would be a liability, at the moment, to the side rather than a positive contributor.

As Steve said above I'd like to see Hogan moved a bit further up the ground, especially early in the game, to get him involved and to build his confidence.  Could we then leave another tall up forward with Garlett to create a contest and put pressure on the backline?

Clearing out our forward 50 and giving them a chance to get the ball would be a start though.

[John Crow Batty 8,352]

21 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

So because he's been on the list for a few years means he deserves a run, regardless of form or ability?

I'm all for changing things up a little, but let's think it through.  Max King is far from ready and he would be a liability, at the moment, to the side rather than a positive contributor.

As Steve said above I'd like to see Hogan moved a bit further up the ground, especially early in the game, to get him involved and to build his confidence.  Could we then leave another tall up forward with Garlett to create a contest and put pressure on the backline?

Clearing out our forward 50 and giving them a chance to get the ball would be a start though.

Hogan last season tended to get into the game early with strong marks and goals. This season it hasn't happened as yet. Defenders are switched on to his threat from the beginning. Mixing  in general play early may be a good move.

Edited April 7, 2016 by america de cali

[Willmoy1947 3,854]

Think it would be far better to wait for at least half a dozen games to be played in Casey's season before the "who's got no hope to make it" starts

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The other thing I think we need to do better is open up the forward line, which makes it so much harder for Hogan to be double or triple teamed.

Anyone who was at the game on Saturday will have noticed that at every centre bounce Essendon only had 4 blokes inside 50 with the spare 2 playing as "2nd wingers" on each side. This gave Daniher all the space in the world to get one-out contests.

Hogan is going to win far more one-on-ones than he'll lose, but even he can't beat two or three.

Leave Garlett and Kennedy down there at his feet as their immediate opponents won't be tall enough to negate Jesse, but the other key forward should stay as far away from Hogan as possible.