As usual, his contested work was superb and he let himself down on the odd occasion with his disposal. Didn't think he was that bad though. Wagner's kicking was far worse. A couple of his turn overs resulted in momentum swings.

That's the frustrating thing about this team. You're just waiting for someone to make a momentum-turning howler.

He has tickets on himself, thinks he's a better kick than what he is, thinks he can sell candy, thinks he's worth Dangerfield money. Get over yourself Tom. I'd rather he stayed but logistically two Frost types on 350k is better than one Tom McDonald on 700. B-grade defenders aren't that hard to find. 

I would gladly trade him to the Swans for Tom Mitchell, then trade one of our excess inside mids for a good CHB that can kick.

Why would we give a young experienced KPD to Sydny and get a small midfielder. We have got Petrac/Angus and ginger meggs all lined up.

Clubs would be queuing up for Tmac and MFC Mob see him as scapegoat !!!

Hogan will become one of the great CHF. Tmac will become one of our greatest KPD  so why the rubbish talk !!!

3 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Why would we give a young experienced KPD to Sydny 

Because Toms not that bloody good and Mitchell is

A no brainer

11 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Why would we give a young experienced KPD to Sydny and get a small midfielder. We have got Petrac/Angus and ginger meggs all lined up.

Clubs would be queuing up for Tmac and MFC Mob see him as scapegoat !!!

Hogan will become one of the great CHF. Tmac will become one of our greatest KPD  so why the rubbish talk !!!

I'm seriously beginning to doubt this, he doesn't appear to have a very good football brain to me. Makes some very ordinary decisions, is next to useless when the ball hits the deck (no second efforts), always takes an eternity to kick after a mark, and can't kick set shots reliably from more than 40 m out.

43 minutes ago, AdamFphlebeb said:

 You're just waiting for someone to make a momentum-turning howler.

And so do the opposition.
They just know someone will buck it up and they can burn us on the rebound.

1 minute ago, Fork 'em said:

And so do the opposition.
They just know someone will buck it up and they can burn us on the rebound.

Yep, unfortunately. But with more experience our better players will learn to work through those situations better.

5 hours ago, 3183 Dee said:

Or maybe there is going to be an exchange of Toms between Melbourne and Sydney? Mac to SYD and Mitch to MEL?

Mitchell puts talks on hold

We are getting screwed on that deal

37 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Because Toms not that bloody good and Mitchell is

A no brainer

One reason & one reason only we lost this game ....kicking for goal ...the only stat we didn't win ...we will learn & next time ...we win...

Yeah well, is the glass half empty or half full??

fwiw, tom harley was on 3aw pre-match yesterday and caro point-blank asked him whether tom mcdonald hsa been up to sydney to meet with the swans.

 

from the sounds of it, something is going on.

 

nevertheless, harley was dismissive - he quite literally said 'we can't afford him' in reference to t mac.

 

if they can't afford to keep mitchell (only offering him $350k a year when hawks are offering him $600k) it's hard to see how they could bring t mac in.

12 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Hogan, is next to useless when the ball hits the deck (no second efforts), always takes an eternity to kick after a mark, and can't kick set shots reliably from more than 40 m out.

Those points are concerning.

11 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

One reason & one reason only we lost this game ....kicking for goal ...the only stat we didn't win ...we will learn & next time ...we win...

Not unless we find 3-4 replacements for the NGE's

12 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

fwiw, tom harley was on 3aw pre-match yesterday and caro point-blank asked him whether tom mcdonald hsa been up to sydney to meet with the swans.

 

from the sounds of it, something is going on.

 

nevertheless, harley was dismissive - he quite literally said 'we can't afford him' in reference to t mac.

 

if they can't afford to keep mitchell (only offering him $350k a year when hawks are offering him $600k) it's hard to see how they could bring t mac in.

 

Depends on how their salary structure works.

They may only have $350-400K in their midfield budget, but $700K in their tall defender budget. These structures would be necessary, otherwise you could find yourself with a midfield of stars, but a forward line of Tyrone Vickery and Jesse White. With some sort of flexibility, of course.

I think I might speak for the silent majority who just can't be bothered answering every negative comment about Tom (and Oscar) but I'll post here every now and again for balance.

Tom is a terrific footballer.  He is fantastic one on one, he is a great mark both contested and uncontested, he is a fantastic aerobic athlete and most of the time he is a good kick able to make good decisions. He saves many many more goals than he gives away. But he also makes mistakes (like all players) that the haters jump on at every opportunity claiming each and every mistake cost us the game.  It's rot.  If Tom McDonald wasn't in our team we would be noticeably worse. He's being chased by multiple teams who are prepared to pay high dollars for him because they know that at his age you can build a backline around him for 8 to 10 years. He is in the top bracket of tall defenders in the AFL.

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Tom leaves.  He's a vital part of our future and that many can't see that surprises me. The concept of trading Tom for Tom Mitchell is mind numbing.  A key position back who you can build your team around for a 3rd or 4th string mid who's disposal is poor and has been relegated to tagger on multiple occasions.

Please stay Tom, you're a vital part of a very talented young group and to achieve what we all want you're required.

7 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think I might speak for the silent majority who just can't be bothered answering every negative comment about Tom (and Oscar) but I'll post here every now and again for balance.

Tom is a terrific footballer.  He is fantastic one on one, he is a great mark both contested and uncontested, he is a fantastic aerobic athlete and most of the time he is a good kick able to make good decisions. He saves many many more goals than he gives away. But he also makes mistakes (like all players) that the haters jump on at every opportunity claiming each and every mistake cost us the game.  It's rot.  If Tom McDonald wasn't in our team we would be noticeably worse. He's being chased by multiple teams who are prepared to pay high dollars for him because they know that at his age you can build a backline around him for 8 to 10 years. He is in the top bracket of tall defenders in the AFL.

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Tom leaves.  He's a vital part of our future and that many can't see that surprises me. The concept of trading Tom for Tom Mitchell is mind numbing.  A key position back who you can build your team around for a 3rd or 4th string mid who's disposal is poor and has been relegated to tagger on multiple occasions.

Please stay Tom, you're a vital part of a very talented young group and to achieve what we all want you're required.

Well Said.

I really think some posters forget that ALL footballers make some mistakes otherwise it would be a nil all draw.  Let us not forget that the side that beat us yesterday played in the Grand Final last year (and also made mistakes that day !!)

14 hours ago, leucopogon said:

I'm seriously beginning to doubt this, he doesn't appear to have a very good football brain to me. Makes some very ordinary decisions, is next to useless when the ball hits the deck (no second efforts), always takes an eternity to kick after a mark, and can't kick set shots reliably from more than 40 m out.

I think you need to compare his output to other great forwards at the same age. the figures I saw on couch put him well ahead. He is very good pushing up the ground etc. We forget he is really a CHF who is being asked to play FF. Yesterday he 2 opponents most times. Our issue is the 2 big forward. Dawes was ok at times but is not an arial threat so 2 go to Hogan.

 

34 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think I might speak for the silent majority who just can't be bothered answering every negative comment about Tom (and Oscar) but I'll post here every now and again for balance.

Tom is a terrific footballer.  He is fantastic one on one, he is a great mark both contested and uncontested, he is a fantastic aerobic athlete and most of the time he is a good kick able to make good decisions. He saves many many more goals than he gives away. But he also makes mistakes (like all players) that the haters jump on at every opportunity claiming each and every mistake cost us the game.  It's rot.  If Tom McDonald wasn't in our team we would be noticeably worse. He's being chased by multiple teams who are prepared to pay high dollars for him because they know that at his age you can build a backline around him for 8 to 10 years. He is in the top bracket of tall defenders in the AFL.

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Tom leaves.  He's a vital part of our future and that many can't see that surprises me. The concept of trading Tom for Tom Mitchell is mind numbing.  A key position back who you can build your team around for a 3rd or 4th string mid who's disposal is poor and has been relegated to tagger on multiple occasions.

Please stay Tom, you're a vital part of a very talented young group and to achieve what we all want you're required.

Here here... very well said

Tom and Jesse play the 2 most important positions on thr ground. Both are excellent talents.

Must keeps in my book. You build the team around these 2 blokes..

Please please mfc and tom get the contact done

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Those points are concerning.

I think he's a young forward with huge raps on him. He will be superstar, but at the moment his defensive work rate is laughable. He just simply doesn't lay tackles either. 

4 hours ago, Redleg said:

Those points are concerning.

Appreciate the concerns but this bloke (Hogan) isn't going to learn the fine arts of today's FF or CHF in a year of a non settled team build.

6 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think I might speak for the silent majority who just can't be bothered answering every negative comment about Tom (and Oscar) but I'll post here every now and again for balance.

Tom is a terrific footballer.  He is fantastic one on one, he is a great mark both contested and uncontested, he is a fantastic aerobic athlete and most of the time he is a good kick able to make good decisions. He saves many many more goals than he gives away. But he also makes mistakes (like all players) that the haters jump on at every opportunity claiming each and every mistake cost us the game.  It's rot.  If Tom McDonald wasn't in our team we would be noticeably worse. He's being chased by multiple teams who are prepared to pay high dollars for him because they know that at his age you can build a backline around him for 8 to 10 years. He is in the top bracket of tall defenders in the AFL.

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Tom leaves.  He's a vital part of our future and that many can't see that surprises me. The concept of trading Tom for Tom Mitchell is mind numbing.  A key position back who you can build your team around for a 3rd or 4th string mid who's disposal is poor and has been relegated to tagger on multiple occasions.

Please stay Tom, you're a vital part of a very talented young group and to achieve what we all want you're required.

Great post. Think we should just cut and paste this a couple of times a week.

6 hours ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I think I might speak for the silent majority who just can't be bothered answering every negative comment about Tom (and Oscar) but I'll post here every now and again for balance.

Tom is a terrific footballer.  He is fantastic one on one, he is a great mark both contested and uncontested, he is a fantastic aerobic athlete and most of the time he is a good kick able to make good decisions. He saves many many more goals than he gives away. But he also makes mistakes (like all players) that the haters jump on at every opportunity claiming each and every mistake cost us the game.  It's rot.  If Tom McDonald wasn't in our team we would be noticeably worse. He's being chased by multiple teams who are prepared to pay high dollars for him because they know that at his age you can build a backline around him for 8 to 10 years. He is in the top bracket of tall defenders in the AFL.

I'll be bitterly disappointed if Tom leaves.  He's a vital part of our future and that many can't see that surprises me. The concept of trading Tom for Tom Mitchell is mind numbing.  A key position back who you can build your team around for a 3rd or 4th string mid who's disposal is poor and has been relegated to tagger on multiple occasions.

Please stay Tom, you're a vital part of a very talented young group and to achieve what we all want you're required.

There's no doubting that we need Tom Mac to stay. But if he's serious about wanting to be part of a successful MFC, then he wouldn't be putting a ridiculous price on his head, as confirmed by Tom Harley at the Swans. He's done nothing to warrant a massive salary, but we know the football landscape, and clubs will throw money at him based on potential.

I don't share Picket Fence's opinion of him, but you massively overrate T. Mac. He's a fantastic aerobic athlete who doesn't know how to get in the right positions to marshall the backline, and can't get near N. Riewoldt whenever we play the Saints. His disposal and decision making are below par. He's not even in the top 10 key defenders for All Australian consideration.

To be successful, we need to attract some top end talent, and that requires salary cap space. If T. Mac isn't prepared to accept a salary based on what he has achieved rather than potential, then he's no better than Scully.

3 hours ago, willmoy said:

Appreciate the concerns but this bloke (Hogan) isn't going to learn the fine arts of today's FF or CHF in a year of a non settled team build.

Not sure how that relates to his seeming inability to kick goals from over 40m out and being poor below his knees.

 

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Not sure how that relates to his seeming inability to kick goals from over 40m out and being poor below his knees.

 

I agree I would like to keep him but Peter Hudson he ain't.