Just watched the Hurley interview on TFS (yes, I know...) and I got the impression while it has certainly taken a big personal toll, he appears in denial of what he did wrong or the seriousness of being a banned drug cheat. As he said, "I just want to go out there and play with my mates" and "I'm just looking forward to that feeling when we all get back and celebrate that first win together again". Very little about why did you put yourself and the game at risk, or do you think what you did was wrong, or what do you say to the young kids who have looked up to you in the past?

Surely these guys get counselled about actions, consequences and personal responsibility? They just want to pretend it never happened.

Edited September 7, 20168 yr by Moonshadow

The EFC players are still within the cocoon of the club and the AFL.

Later in life as these factors recede into the background and they think about their personal legacy the bitterness will grow, To some extent it would have been good for them to go to other clubs and express their disappointment (even anger) with the EFC but that is not to be the case.

Many lessons to be learnt but it may take many years for it to sink in.

The next "lesson" will be the removal of Jobe Watson's Brownlow. No doubt there will be an outpouring of sympathy but perhaps in time it will be regarded in the same way as we now look at the Olympic medalists who are being stripped of their medals.

8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The next "lesson" will be the removal of Jobe Watson's Brownlow. No doubt there will be an outpouring of sympathy but perhaps in time it will be regarded in the same way as we now look at the Olympic medalists who are being stripped of their medals.

In this mornings paper it was revealed that the CAS appeal will be announced in November. After footy season. When the spotlight's off.

Watch the AFL ignore the whole issue and try to let him keep the charlie.

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Just watched the Hurley interview on TFS (yes, I know...) and I got the impression while it has certainly taken a big personal toll, he appears in denial of what he did wrong or the seriousness of being a banned drug cheat. As he said, "I just want to go out there and play with my mates" and "I'm just looking forward to that feeling when we all get back and celebrate that first win together again". Very little about why did you put yourself and the game at risk, or do you think what you did was wrong, or what do you say to the young kids who have looked up to you in the past?

Surely these guys get counselled about actions, consequences and personal responsibility? They just want to pretend it never happened.

Very hard to answer questions that are not put to you. Fluff piece for Footy Show.

9 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Just watched the Hurley interview on TFS (yes, I know...) and I got the impression while it has certainly taken a big personal toll, he appears in denial of what he did wrong or the seriousness of being a banned drug cheat. As he said, "I just want to go out there and play with my mates" and "I'm just looking forward to that feeling when we all get back and celebrate that first win together again". Very little about why did you put yourself and the game at risk, or do you think what you did was wrong, or what do you say to the young kids who have looked up to you in the past?

Surely these guys get counselled about actions, consequences and personal responsibility? They just want to pretend it never happened.

That's an interesting opinion. I didn't see TFS but The Age today reports on the same matter and refers to the Hurley interview. The Age story gave me the opposite impression about Hurley's feelings.

You might have to be a Victorian to fully appreciate this comment from Titus O'Reily

 

Titus O'Reily ‏@TitusOReily  11m11 minutes ago

One of Essendon's banned players Tayte Pears, has retired to become a firefighter in Victoria's scandal free emergency services.

39 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

You might have to be a Victorian to fully appreciate this comment from Titus O'Reily

 

Titus O'Reily ‏@TitusOReily  11m11 minutes ago

One of Essendon's banned players Tayte Pears, has retired to become a firefighter in Victoria's scandal free emergency services.

The comforts of home

By the way Ryan Lochtie (US Gold Medalist) got ten months for telling Lies! Extremely bad form, Eh what!!!

Now back to reality...

15 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The EFC players are still within the cocoon of the club and the AFL.

Later in life as these factors recede into the background and they think about their personal legacy the bitterness will grow, To some extent it would have been good for them to go to other clubs and express their disappointment (even anger) with the EFC but that is not to be the case.

Many lessons to be learnt but it may take many years for it to sink in.

The next "lesson" will be the removal of Jobe Watson's Brownlow. No doubt there will be an outpouring of sympathy but perhaps in time it will be regarded in the same way as we now look at the Olympic medalists who are being stripped of their medals.

Diamond, I don;t think this is the case. Why?

-If it was going to happen it would have happened. 

-Wrongdoers in all walks of life, live the lie, perpetuate their own truth and build up the myth (the myth being that they were wronged by AFL/ASADA etc.  There is also the Stockholm type syndrome between the players and the EFC. In cases where you are bombarded with criticism and attack (public/parts of the media), it is appealing to turn inwards and have the unity/solidarity of other players and the club. Most human beings create myths about all manner of things particularly where they feel a sense of injustice.  

-In some cases their football career and financial security is tied up with the EFC. 

Jobe is the interesting one/ Clearly the scandal has taken a heavy toll on his person. He may still leave the EFC, however, I suspect his sense of injustice and betrayal is directed at the AFL and ASADA not the EFC.

i also doubt that Jobe will have his Brownlow removed. Time will tell however I can't see the AFL biting the bullet. Irrespective of CASA, the politics of the AFL will come down on Jobes side.  

 

10 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Diamond, I don;t think this is the case. Why?

-If it was going to happen it would have happened. 

-Wrongdoers in all walks of life, live the lie, perpetuate their own truth and build up the myth (the myth being that they were wronged by AFL/ASADA etc.  There is also the Stockholm type syndrome between the players and the EFC. In cases where you are bombarded with criticism and attack (public/parts of the media), it is appealing to turn inwards and have the unity/solidarity of other players and the club. Most human beings create myths about all manner of things particularly where they feel a sense of injustice.  

-In some cases their football career and financial security is tied up with the EFC. 

Jobe is the interesting one/ Clearly the scandal has taken a heavy toll on his person. He may still leave the EFC, however, I suspect his sense of injustice and betrayal is directed at the AFL and ASADA not the EFC.

i also doubt that Jobe will have his Brownlow removed. Time will tell however I can't see the AFL biting the bullet. Irrespective of CASA, the politics of the AFL will come down on Jobes side.  

 

Are really can not see any way he can keep the medal under the rules they have, it is impossible. If the AFL had any integrity.........oh, I better stop there.

18 minutes ago, hemingway said:

i also doubt that Jobe will have his Brownlow removed. Time will tell however I can't see the AFL biting the bullet. Irrespective of CASA, the politics of the AFL will come down on Jobes side.  

 

The AFL is probably waiting on the appeal outcome.  If they stripped Jobe's Brownlow and the EFC players somehow won the appeal then it would not be ideal.

10 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

The AFL is probably waiting on the appeal outcome.  If they stripped Jobe's Brownlow and the EFC players somehow won the appeal then it would not be ideal.

That's because Gil is "the deal maker". Gil doesn't make decisions. He makes deals.

He is like a politicians in that it doesn't hurt to wait one more day. Who knows what it will bring? And one more day, and one more day ...

If he waits long enough he might not have to make a decision at all.

But a deal where Jobby gets to keep the medal, now that's firmly in Gil's territory.

So we wait, and wait ...

(My prediction: Gil will try to let Jobby keep it.)

8 hours ago, Ted Fidge said:

In this mornings paper it was revealed that the CAS appeal will be announced in November. After footy season. When the spotlight's off.

Watch the AFL ignore the whole issue and try to let him keep the charlie.

thanks ted....so november it is huh.......but what year?  2017, 2018?

So CAS Appeal in favour of AFL, Job hangs on to Brownlow and makes a comeback.

So CAS Appeal in favour of integrity, Job hangs on to Brownlow (which no one wants from now on) and retires to professional coffee maker.

Life's a bugger....

2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

The AFL is probably waiting on the appeal outcome.  If they stripped Jobe's Brownlow and the EFC players somehow won the appeal then it would not be ideal.

The AFL has its head up its arze and is waiting for the next alignment of planets !! Gil the Dill and his mates work on the principle that if you can keep is off the front or back pages youre "winning"

10 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

The AFL has its head up its arze and is waiting for the next alignment of planets !! Gil the Dill and his mates work on the principle that if you can keep is off the front or back pages youre "winning"

Yes similiar to Zaphod Beeblebrox's Sunglasses which turned absolutely pitch black at the first sign of danger....!

Na i can understand them waiting for this appeal.

Once it fails however id expect them to take it from him and award it to cotchin and mitchell asap.

9 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Na i can understand them waiting for this appeal.

Once it fails however id expect them to take it from him and award it to cotchin and mitchell asap.

I'd prefer if we just have no winner for that year.

 

Na. He was suspended just like any suspended player they don count.

Cotchin and Mitchell whatever you think of them were the best and FAIREST that year.

8 minutes ago, biggestred said:

Na. He was suspended just like any suspended player they don count.

Cotchin and Mitchell whatever you think of them were the best and FAIREST that year.

I wouldn't want it if it was me

Has been stained

35 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I wouldn't want it if it was me

Has been stained

I would especially if I had a bonus clause in my contract...

Just now, Cards13 said:

I would especially if I had a bonus clause in my contract...

I see your point. But it is too stained for me

null and void. Move on...

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

I'd prefer if we just have no winner for that year.

 

I think this would be the most appropriate result. 

No resut would speak volumes. It would also relive others of any embarrassing stance.

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

I'd prefer if we just have no winner for that year.

 

I'll be very upset if that's the case. I backed Cotchin at very good odds and am expecting a backdated payout.

Nah ... the brownlows should go to Cotchin & Mitchell.

A win for clean sport.

As for those who say they wouldn't want it ... lets keep it real.  There would be barely a person here who has even been on an AFL list.  If you were in that position you'd take it in a nanosecond.