The Jack Trengove is BACK Thread

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

8 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Harsh, bordering on cruel.

When Trengove's injury was first diagnosed,  he said there was a part of him that was almost 'relieved'.  He didn't know what was wrong with him, he didn't know why his body wouldn't do the things he wanted it to do; he didn't know where his power, speed or ability to 'push-off' had gone.  He was relieved to find out there was actually something wrong and where in his body the problem lay.  It was never a matter of him saying 'my foot hurts'.

He does deserve a go at his football if for no other reason than no one deserves the terrible luck that he has had this far.

C'mon mate. That is club spin

if any part of your body is injured you soon know where the pain and or weakness is coming from. 

[dazzledavey36 49,583]

39 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

C'mon mate. That is club spin

if any part of your body is injured you soon know where the pain and or weakness is coming from. 

You sure about that?

Take a deep breath and think real hard about your answer before you really embarrass yourself again like you already have.

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You sure about that?

Take a deep breath and think real hard about your answer before you really embarrass yourself again like you already have.

It was a political decision to play him through that injury. Considering the whole club tanked for his services. 

And lets not forget that the club traded him in 2014. If he hadn't broken down again it would have been completed. 

BTW I spent 8 years doing Physio every week as a kid so i do know a little bit about muscle and bone achesand pains...

[dazzledavey36 49,583]

24 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It was a political decision to play him through that injury. Considering the whole club tanked for his services. 

And lets not forget that the club traded him in 2014. If he hadn't broken down again it would have been completed. 

BTW I spent 8 years doing Physio every week as a kid so i do know a little bit about muscle and bone achesand pains...

Ok...?

You just mentioned before Trengove doesn't deserve any success because 'he' shouldn't have played with a crook foot. So you have pretty much said there that Trengove is in the wrong for making that decision.

You have now just said it was a 'political' decision  (by the club i assume you mean) to play him because the club tanked for him.. right..

So whos fault is it then SWYL? Because according to you Trengove doesn't deserve one ounce of success due to a clubs ' political' decision to play him through his injury. So in other words the poor kid had no say whatsoever and is now paying the price for a miss handled injury by our club and for forcing him to push through his injury.

 

Edited January 23, 2016 by dazzledavey36

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ok...?

You just mentioned before Trengove doesn't deserve any success because 'he' shouldn't have played with a crook foot. So you have pretty much said there that Trengove is in the wrong for making that decision.

You have now just said it was a 'political' decision  (by the club i assume you mean) to play him because the club tanked for him.. right..

So whos fault is it then SWYL? Because according to you Trengove doesn't deserve one ounce of success due to a clubs ' political' decision to play him through his injury. So in other words the poor kid had no say whatsoever and is now paying the price for a miss handled injury by our club and for forcing him to push through his injury.

 

Part of what you say i believe is correct. Yes The club played him as he was the marquee player when he should have been rested, Trengove has to take some of the blame as he was the one running on the injury and should have said "hey i just can't go anymore" but as he had been named captain i guess pride got in the way. But he could not run or kick more than 35 metres for at least 18 months. 

The entire episode is a sad state of how ameteur the whole club was. Makes me very angry and i hope i am not alone. 

I don't hate Jack at all, but at the same time he deserves no special favours. If he plays again it can only be because he has earnt it. 

Yes he is training nicely but that is light years away from playing flat out on match day. 

You must realize he stressed a bone injury for 18 months for the sake of what? Schwab's ego...??

who knows but for the medical staff to allow it is just so wrong. 

I said after the Richmond saga he wouldn't play again, now if i am wrong, great i will rapt. But he doesn't deserve a game just because of what he has been through. He has to be playing better than a bunch of other younger players

[Yossarian 1,808]

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Part of what you say i believe is correct. Yes The club played him as he was the marquee player when he should have been rested, Trengove has to take some of the blame as he was the one running on the injury and should have said "hey i just can't go anymore" but as he had been named captain i guess pride got in the way. But he could not run or kick more than 35 metres for at least 18 months. 

The entire episode is a sad state of how ameteur the whole club was. Makes me very angry and i hope i am not alone. 

I don't hate Jack at all, but at the same time he deserves no special favours. If he plays again it can only be because he has earnt it. 

Yes he is training nicely but that is light years away from playing flat out on match day. 

You must realize he stressed a bone injury for 18 months for the sake of what? Schwab's ego...??

who knows but for the medical staff to allow it is just so wrong. 

I said after the Richmond saga he wouldn't play again, now if i am wrong, great i will rapt. But he doesn't deserve a game just because of what he has been through. He has to be playing better than a bunch of other younger players

You have no entitlement to anger if you can't effectively express what you're angry about.

[Roger Mellie 3,611]

9 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

C'mon mate. That is club spin

if any part of your body is injured you soon know where the pain and or weakness is coming from. 

Trengove had multiple scans on his foot which showed nothing at the time. When the injury finally appeared on a scan, he stopped playing and had the first operation.

[Satyriconhome 10,015]

To get back to Jack's progress, had a couple of chats to him this pre season and to the fitness staff about him, it is just baby steps (as it also says on the club website), do something, see how the foot reacts, do some more, see how the foot reacts, upto now everything is on track, he has a one year contract, everybody at the club knows this could be his last shot, especially if the foot misbehaves again, everybody is behind him hoping he can return

[daisycutter 28,709]

10 hours ago, Red and Bluebeard said:

I always thought the emus were supposed to lick the entire dunny to smithereens .. 

you're thinking of cocker spaniels, r&b 

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

18 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Harsh.

He was put in an unfamiliar spot to lead this club when he was far too young. The stress and pressure he put himself to try and lead this toxic club has now now taken its toll on him (something he couldn't control) and now he is working is absolute backside off to regain his football career.

He deserves every bit of success and good fortune that comes his way. He along with Jones Garland Grimes and Dunn are small sample of players still left who were went through the absolute horrors of the club during those dark years. For their loyalty and love for the club they do deserves success.

I still haven't had anyone adequately explain to me how exactly this is supposed to work. It's a lot like the 'Watts had his career ruined because we debuted him too early and he got tackled' absurdity.

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

2 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Trengove had multiple scans on his foot which showed nothing at the time. When the injury finally appeared on a scan, he stopped playing and had the first operation.

 

2 hours ago, Roger Mellie said:

Trengove had multiple scans on his foot which showed nothing at the time. When the injury finally appeared on a scan, he stopped playing and had the first operation.

Put it this way. You do not keep racing a car that has a problem and hope that it just goes away. 

If you keep thrashing that motor it will break, no matter how long it takes to find the problem. 

You should stop racing that car until the problem is solved. However long it takes, unless you wish to do more damage. 

Which is what happened with Jack...

[dazzledavey36 49,583]

42 minutes ago, Curry & Beer said:

I still haven't had anyone adequately explain to me how exactly this is supposed to work. It's a lot like the 'Watts had his career ruined because we debuted him too early and he got tackled' absurdity.

I also don't buy into the theory that tackle stuffed him up psychologicaly. But when i was living in Melbourne at the time i went to a few Casey games and he clearly was not ready at all. He had steady form in the VFL but had not banged down the door like say what Brayshaw did last year, even Watts said with an interview with Mike Sheehan that he wasn't ready. The fact that Watts debuted on national prime time in front of 60 thousand being scrutinized wouldn't have helped one bit. Its quite obvious that it was a club marquee decision to debut him when his mind and body wasn't ready. Has that had a psychological affect on him? Who knows but personally i dont use that excuse when he goes half ass at contest or doesn't chase hard enough. He is old enough now to pull his finger out and actually prove why he was a number 1 pick.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,049]

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

you're thinking of cocker spaniels, r&b 

My bad. They look so alike ... 

[Roger Mellie 3,611]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

Put it this way. You do not keep racing a car that has a problem and hope that it just goes away. 

If you keep thrashing that motor it will break, no matter how long it takes to find the problem. 

You should stop racing that car until the problem is solved. However long it takes, unless you wish to do more damage. 

Which is what happened with Jack...

You're absolutely right. They should've opened up his foot at the time and put a screw in one of the bones, doesn't matter which one.

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

47 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

You're absolutely right. They should've opened up his foot at the time and put a screw in one of the bones, doesn't matter which one.

Humour...

[dee-luded 2,958]

On 23 January 2016 at 9:47 PM, Wiseblood said:

This is rubbish WYL.  Is this an aberration or are you showing your true colors here?

go back to when trenners was put on the trade table to the tiges, & reread posts.

 

2014 original thread of JTrengove & his navicular, & rumoured trade to tigers thread  >

cheers.

[RalphiusMaximus 5,994]

Given that somebody decided to bump the OTHER Trengove thread, let's just try to keep this one up at the top of the page shall we?  Maybe we can pin it? 

[rjay 24,124]

9 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

To get back to Jack's progress, had a couple of chats to him this pre season and to the fitness staff about him, it is just baby steps (as it also says on the club website), do something, see how the foot reacts, do some more, see how the foot reacts, upto now everything is on track, he has a one year contract, everybody at the club knows this could be his last shot, especially if the foot misbehaves again, everybody is behind him hoping he can return

I know I am 'Saty', be great to see him back out there.

 

[dee-luded 2,958]

16 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Given that somebody decided to bump the OTHER Trengove thread, let's just try to keep this one up at the top of the page shall we?  Maybe we can pin it? 

you mean this one >

1 hour ago, dee-luded said:

go back to when trenners was put on the trade table to the tiges, & reread posts.

 

2014 original thread of JTrengove & his navicular, & rumoured trade to tigers thread  >

cheers.

 

[RalphiusMaximus 5,994]

Yep, that's the one 

[dee-luded 2,958]

On 24 January 2016 at 7:15 PM, RalphiusMaximus said:

Yep, that's the one 

I always think its good for people to be honest & responsible for their spoken thoughts, even in hindsight.  honesty. myself included

[Sydney Pennski 270]

And just to show how fragile a player's career can be once they contract a foot injury, look at the case of 19 year old West Coast Eagles player Damien Cavka who announced his retirement yesterday on medical advice after battling foot problems for a year since he was drafted.

[Sir Why You Little 35,226]

2 hours ago, Sydney Pennski said:

And just to show how fragile a player's career can be once they contract a foot injury, look at the case of 19 year old West Coast Eagles player Damien Cavka who announced his retirement yesterday on medical advice after battling foot problems for a year since he was drafted.

Exactly. And Trengove played on his dodgy foot for 2 seasons....

such elite management back in those dark days..

[beelzebub 22,585]

Has Jack started kicking a footy yet ?

[Ted Lasso 17,207]

2 hours ago, Sydney Pennski said:

And just to show how fragile a player's career can be once they contract a foot injury, look at the case of 19 year old West Coast Eagles player Damien Cavka who announced his retirement yesterday on medical advice after battling foot problems for a year since he was drafted.

very different foot issue to Jack but yes, tragic none the less, from all reports and extremely talented young man