Here it is!

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-22/callum-twomeys-2015-phantom-draft

For those who dont care about write ups and stuff, it's

1 - Weitering, Carlton

2, Schache , Brisbane

3, Mills, Sydney

4, Oliver , Melb

5, Francis, Essendon

6, Parish, Essendon

7, A Chee, Gold Coast

8, Weideman, Melb

9, Hopper , GWS

10 H. Mckay , Carlton

11, Kennedy, GWS

12, Hipwood, Brisbane

13, Milera, Adelaide

14, Curnow , Carlton

15, Rioli, Richmond

16, Burton, Adelaide

17, Balic, St Kilda

18, Collins , Hawthorn

19, Gresham, Gold Coast

20, B. McKay, North melbourne

21, Keays, Brisbane

22, Hibberd, Hawthorn

23, Tucker, Carlton'

24, Fiorini, Bulldogs

25, Bonner, Bulldogs

26, Cole , Freo

27, Cunningham, Eagles

28, Matheison, Essendon

29, Redman, Essendon

30, Clarke, North Melbourne

Maybe we will take Oliver with our first pick and he does look a good prospect, but I simply find it hard to believe that he is player we traded up from pick 6 to get. This part of it doesn't make sense to me.

On paper Id be really happy with that. But, as stated on other posts, we wont really know who the footy gods have smiled on til the middle next year. Really great players usually make some kind of impact early.

Looking forward to Tues night!

I think something has been leaked from the club because all the experts have now said in the past 24 hours that we will select Oliver. With only 2 more sleeps this is around the time where we start to hear who could go where.

Maybe we will take Oliver with our first pick and he does look a good prospect, but I simply find it hard to believe that he is player we traded up from pick 6 to get. This part of it doesn't make sense to me.

I still don't think it's set we will take Oliver. I think it's still out of three - Oliver, Parish and Weideman. I agree with you that trading up to take Oliver doesn't seem to make much sense, although trading is done well after the TAC season is over and we may have earmarked him as a player we have to have.

But it's still down to the 3 mentioned above for me.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Mckay over Weideman at 7. Either way I'm happy with any combo of Parish/Oliver with Weideman/Curnow/Mckay.

Maybe we will take Oliver with our first pick and he does look a good prospect, but I simply find it hard to believe that he is player we traded up from pick 6 to get. This part of it doesn't make sense to me.

why ?

You think a tall is preferential to a quality mid.

We need mids more

My surprise would be to throw away a pick on a dubious tall.

why ?

You think a tall is preferential to a quality mid.

We need mids more

My surprise would be to throw away a pick on a dubious tall.

Last year I would of agreed with you and I understand your reasoning. For me it's time to take a calculated punt on one of each, especially if we are eager to please the Hulk in some way.

The drungle drums say Weidemen at our second pick, and logic to me says Parish for our first pick.

I would modify Twomey's mock to look something more like this:

Weitering

Schache

Mills

Parish

Francis

Oliver

A'choo

Weidemen

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by Roosy's Bruisers

I would be staggered if this came to fruition considering both Goodwin and McCartney have spent so much time in the Falcons rooms this year. Roos wasn't mentoring Brayshaw last year for the fun of it, either.

All the work we put into trumping Essendon's draft pick (when they clearly wanted Parish) makes no sense if we are going after a draft bolter instead.

I've heard Goodwin was a fan of Parish's, but reckon Brendan was likely there to watch his own boy play for Geelong.

Still betting we take Parish at 3

Goodwin and Macca have had a bit to do with the falcons

Jason taylor was on a panel that selected him AA

2 weeks ago Oliver wasn't even in the mix for pick 3, he hasn't played a game since then.

we were desperate to get our hands on pick 3 knowing Essendon would take Parish

by taking Oliver at 3, could Parish slip to 7?

There are a lot of people linking us to Oliver at 3. I still think we will take Parish.

Batten down the hatches, Olisik may blow an o-ring.

My impression of Oliver is that he plays a little like Dangermouse, but we have no way of knowing if he'll ever reach that sort of level or if he'll just be an average bash'n'crash player with ok skills. I regard him as more of a risk than guys like Parish and Francis who have already shown us exactly how they will play when they get into the AFL. I haven't seen enough of him to form any sort of opinion on how good a player he could become.

I still prefer the notion of taking Parish at three. The main point in his favour for me is that he meets our specific needs for good decision-making and disposal out of the midfield. Other players have just as much ability, but perhaps don't suit our requirements quite as well.

I have no problem with the Weed at seven.

I think something has been leaked from the club because all the experts have now said in the past 24 hours that we will select Oliver. With only 2 more sleeps this is around the time where we start to hear who could go where.

Yes but maybe, maybe, someone deliberately let something slip so as to cover up our true ambitions on who we want to draft. Smoke and mirrors.

Still betting we take Parish at 3

Goodwin and Macca have had a bit to do with the falcons

Jason taylor was on a panel that selected him AA

2 weeks ago Oliver wasn't even in the mix for pick 3, he hasn't played a game since then.

we were desperate to get our hands on pick 3 knowing Essendon would take Parish

Some good points here. I agree.

We didn't "trade up" to take Oliver. A month out from the draft nothing was set in concrete. We traded up to improve our position in the draft. We traded up to get the highest position we could and ultimately secure the best talent, as deemed by us, on draft day.

No-one is leaking, but my educated guess from a couple of private things is that we'll take Oliver.

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by ProDee

The Ah Chee inclusion for Gold Coast at 7 is interesting. If Twomey has the inside word there it means we get the choice between Weidemen, Milera and Curnow.

We didn't "trade up" to take Oliver. A month out from the draft nothing was set in concrete. We traded up to improve our position in the draft. We traded up to get the highest position we could and ultimately secure the best talent, as deemed by us, on draft day.

No-one is leaking, but my educated guess from a couple of private things is that we'll take Oliver.

The "trading up" to pick 3 also included acquiring pick 10, which we presumably knew (or hoped) we'd be able to eventually move to GWS for pick 7.

It was about getting next year's 1st rounder this year, so we can get an earlier pick and get a year's development into that pick ahead of time.

We didn't "trade up" to take Oliver. A month out from the draft nothing was set in concrete. We traded up to improve our position in the draft. We traded up to get the highest position we could and ultimately secure the best talent, as deemed by us, on draft day.

No-one is leaking, but my educated guess from a couple of things is that we'll take Oliver.

That doesn't make sense. Of course we traded up to take player X (I don't believe it will be Oliver) at 3.

It's ridiculous to suggest that we wanted pick 3, and then we'll decide who's the best talent. IMO, we gave up a lot to get pick 3, so it's madness to suggest that we didn't have a player in mind who we knew was under Essendon's radar, whether that be Oliver, Parish, Curnow or Weideman.

We didn't "trade up" to take Oliver. A month out from the draft nothing was set in concrete. We traded up to improve our position in the draft. We traded up to get the highest position we could and ultimately secure the best talent, as deemed by us, on draft day.

No-one is leaking, but my educated guess from a couple of private things is that we'll take Oliver.

The "trading up" to pick 3 also included acquiring pick 10, which we presumably knew (or hoped) we'd be able to eventually move to GWS for pick 7.

It was about getting next year's 1st rounder this year, so we can get an earlier pick and get a year's development into that pick ahead of time.

We had a deal ready to go with GC for ND3 for weeks before trade week.

The desire to invest Howe into moving up 3 spots?

We had and have someone in mind and the last month of pure speculation - and no footy - isn't changing that.

As much as they may deny it - they will pick the kid they saw a long a way out.

We didn't "trade up" to take Oliver. A month out from the draft nothing was set in concrete. We traded up to improve our position in the draft. We traded up to get the highest position we could and ultimately secure the best talent, as deemed by us, on draft day.

No-one is leaking, but my educated guess from a couple of private things is that we'll take Oliver.

nupp

We had our eyes on"someone"

MFC playing tbe long game.

I reckon Pro Dee they've done exactly what you say they haven't.

Not to argue with you. Just a different pov

Maybe something has leaked. We know that the Dees at the moment prefer the big bodied types. We have a few already but none with explosive breakaway pace.

When we obtained pick 3 we had full knowledge of all players available. We did not just hear about Oliver's great run in the last half of the season. The Bulldogs picked up McREA and Bont on the back of mid season onwards improvement. This is the time leaks start to appear. We will probably hear a little more tomorrow. The Dons will take whoever we pass on out of Oliver and Parish and likely take Francis as well. They desperately need mids and Francis is likely a play anywhere type. Still we cannot rule out Parish just yet.

Edited November 22, 20159 yr by manny100

I don't buy the notion of trading up to pick 3 for a specific player. It goes against the notion of smart recruiting which is to never go for the messiah pick and to believe in continually good spotting of talent and good development from there on in.

Jason Taylor explained the rationale of the trade to get pick 3 this year instead of next year and to get the development started and a culture built. I'm inclined to take him at his word.

If we don't pick Oliver now then I'm a little confused as to why 3 journos in a row who all had different opinions have jumped on him. Unless Emma went with it and Sam and Cal followed her in?

We hopefully learnt from the Ollie Wines scenario not to leak interest in another kid and then have it bight you on the butt. I'd hate Oliver to go elsewhere now because if we then did pick Parish or otherwise at 3 we'd hear about it for a long time.