On 25/11/2015 at 10:08, wretched.sylph said:

For me, what stood out in his highlight package was the absence of defensive work. He looks like Jordie's Bizzarro World counterpart.

Highlight packages generally promote the attacking attributes.

  On 25/11/2015 at 10:08, wretched.sylph said:

For me, what stood out in his highlight package was the absence of defensive work. He looks like Jordie's Bizzarro World counterpart.

FWIW, he averaged 6 tackles a game in the TAC Cup this year. For comparison's sake only, Parish averaged 3.

The thing I like about Oliver is that I think he has the attributes to be a better than good player. That's not to say that he will, but he has the attributes.

He obviously has the power in his game, which is great, but he has the ability to beat players using his sidestep in traffic. He is actually able to create his own pocket of space where there is none, and this often separates good players from really good players.

For example, Bernie Vince is a good player but that's all he is. He gets the ball in congestion and gives it off quickly or hacks it forward, both of which are legitimate options for a good player.

Whereas Pendlebury is a really good player. He can get the ball in congestion and then beat an opponent to create space for himself, which means that his clearance is now an attacking opportunity with clean possession retained.

Oliver looks like he could create opportunities from contested situations with his combination of power, agility and composure. I'm not saying that he'll automatically be a superstar, but I'm certainly feeling bullish at this very early point. And if I can't be bullish now, when can I be!

  On 25/11/2015 at 10:47, Axis of Bob said:

The thing I like about Oliver is that I think he has the attributes to be a better than good player. That's not to say that he will, but he has the attributes.

He obviously has the power in his game, which is great, but he has the ability to beat players using his sidestep in traffic. He is actually able to create his own pocket of space where there is none, and this often separates good players from really good players.

For example, Bernie Vince is a good player but that's all he is. He gets the ball in congestion and gives it off quickly or hacks it forward, both of which are legitimate options for a good player.

Whereas Pendlebury is a really good player. He can get the ball in congestion and then beat an opponent to create space for himself, which means that his clearance is now an attacking opportunity with clean possession retained.

Oliver looks like he could create opportunities from contested situations with his combination of power, agility and composure. I'm not saying that he'll automatically be a superstar, but I'm certainly feeling bullish at this very early point. And if I can't be bullish now, when can I be!

I like that he's prepared to take the tackle and clear space for a teammate then give off the ball.

  On 25/11/2015 at 07:24, Cards13 said:

The only problem with that is in a couple of years that will be a free kick against Clarry.

Dangerfield is a diver.

First in - best dressed. Its a good problem to have. Oliver will be first to the football, I don't think we have much to worry about.

  On 25/11/2015 at 10:08, wretched.sylph said:

For me, what stood out in his highlight package was the absence of defensive work. He looks like Jordie's Bizzarro World counterpart.

You did see those big crunching tackles right?

  On 25/11/2015 at 10:08, wretched.sylph said:

For me, what stood out in his highlight package was the absence of defensive work. He looks like Jordie's Bizzarro World counterpart.

  On 25/11/2015 at 12:15, RalphiusMaximus said:

You did see those big crunching tackles right?

Exactly my thoughts. Clearly didn't watch the highlights package. The guy is a beast.

Considering all the droughts we've broken this season, let's hope this guy breaks our crap player pick 4 drought and develops into a good one.

  On 25/11/2015 at 12:54, ILLDieADemon said:

Considering all the droughts we've broken this season, let's hope this guy breaks our crap player pick 4 drought and develops into a good one.

Hopefully, he can have the same impact as that other guy who, controversially, was pick 4 in the 2013 draft.

  On 24/11/2015 at 23:00, juzzk1d said:

A few things stand out for me when watching Oliver

• His ability to break tackles, get his arms free and handball out of congestion over players heads
• His ability to take contested marks
• His goal kicking ability as a mid
• The way he stops and props and allows his opponents to be drawn to him to allow his team mate to be free so then he can fire out a handball (Think Sam Mitchell)

In one game he kicked 6 as a mid, he got 30/30 for the goal kicking in the draft combine meaning he can slot them on both feet. He has all the right attributes to be a massive player for us going forward. Sure, Parish has more speed, he can play inside & out but in terms of his contested marks, goal kicking and ability to break tackles and handball over people to clear congestion Oliver is the clear winner for me here.

Your first point is the one that stood out most for me: he hits the pack hard - bash and crash style - but always has it in mind to dish it out to a player that is free if that doesn't work.

I know... highlights and all that... but its nice to see a talent that knows that instinctively rather than someone that has to learn it as in the case of the Jones boy.

It's not just the six tackles per game, it's the fact they're brutal, you see when jack viney or gus brayshaw hit someone, they take a bit to get up, Oliver rattles the opposition, not someone anyone wants to line up against.

Oliver, Jones, Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca, Trengove, all love a hard tackle, bring on 2016

  On 25/11/2015 at 14:28, Unstable Dees fan said:

It's not just the six tackles per game, it's the fact they're brutal, you see when jack viney or gus brayshaw hit someone, they take a bit to get up, Oliver rattles the opposition, not someone anyone wants to line up against.

Oliver, Jones, Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca, Trengove, all love a hard tackle, bring on 2016

Vandenberg loves a crunching tackle .. hurt quite a few opposition players in his first season

What I thought was telling in the highlight reel (not mentioned that I can see on the phone) is that when he has or is about to get the ball his team mates take off running on the assumption that he is going to win the contest and deliver the effective disposal. The confidence with which his teammates runs off suggest that they have faith in him, and that he does it regularly. They are not hedging their bets that there might be a turnover. The way he props (as a big fella) selling candy is also huge, if he can keep that up he will upset some defences. His kicking into 50 also looks like it has vision.

From the highlights packages his first instinct is the same as Viney - see ball get ball without hesitation. I am not suggesting other players are timid but there is a rare breed who do not wait for a play to unfold to make a move - their first instinct is to make the play. Oliver appears to me as this sort of player.

  On 25/11/2015 at 09:25, don said:

you are comparing a three times b&f to a small kid that has not played against men, a bit early only a fool would say that.read reply above.

B&F's in crap teams. Never made the AA squad of 40. Only really got going at the age of 25 and has had just one A-grade year.

Pick 12 versus pick 5 (Parish)

Clearly it's speculation, but I'll be surprised if Parish doesn't become a better player than Nathan Jones.

Oliver's body shape has already changed a lot but I can see it changing even more over the course of this pre-season.

  On 25/11/2015 at 10:08, wretched.sylph said:

For me, what stood out in his highlight package was the absence of defensive work. He looks like Jordie's Bizzarro World counterpart.

Defensive work??? We are not planning for this guy to be a tagger. the best form of defense for this guy is attack.

Sides will need to get 2 players on him in order to bring him down.

Are you comparing him to Mckenzie because he is a red head?

Mckenzie couldn't break tackles and is listed as 71kg.

Clayton has 15 kg on Jordan and has just turned 18.

His sidestep is surprisingly good when you see it for the first time. Unexpected almost given his general style of play.

He definitely has a uniquely self-deprecating style about him. Burgo asks him to sell himself to the fans, and his three main points are inside player, slow, and carrying too much weight Compare that with Tracka who would've gladly sponsored his own billboard.

I'm leaning towards it being a good thing. He seems like the type that will always be pushing himself to improve.

  On 25/11/2015 at 06:30, Georgiou R.R. Martin said:

Neither Brayshaw nor Petracca were that fit last year. Petracca certainly wasn't, he had more weight (mainly in muscle) than Oliver does and Brayshaw had done an ankle and had been off legs for a while after the end of his season.

I think it's well and truly time for us to stash some draftees and let them develop more in the VFL but it wouldn't shock me if we have a few injuries and Oliver sneaks in to a forward pocket.

Brayshaw wasn't meant to debut in round 1, they held him out of the NAB challege after a concussion but he was just too good for VFL footy.

I think Oliver is a lock for a forward role come round 1....

Has the size and strength. Just needs a good preseason to build his fitness

  On 25/11/2015 at 14:49, Petraccattack said:

Vandenberg loves a crunching tackle .. hurt quite a few opposition players in his first season

Lets just hope Mitch Robinson is one of them next season...

  On 25/11/2015 at 21:56, Clint Bizkit said:

Oliver's body shape has already changed a lot but I can see it changing even more over the course of this pre-season.

Yes, he went from 90 skinfolds to 59 quite quickly and then ran 10.45 for the 3km. How quickly can he get down to sub 10 ?

  On 25/11/2015 at 22:12, P-man said:

His sidestep is surprisingly good when you see it for the first time. Unexpected almost given his general style of play.

It shows up in his third placing in the agility test at DC. He knows how to play to his strengths with that dance/sidestep.

He's got strings to his bow, such as good speed and contested marking that are atypical for many inside mids.

I can see Oliver turning his body shape into Josh Kennedy and Ollie Wines type physique - just a big ball of muscle.

Said it plenty of times his upside is enormous.

  On 25/11/2015 at 14:49, Petraccattack said:

Vandenberg loves a crunching tackle .. hurt quite a few opposition players in his first season

I think Vandenburg is the hardest of the lot, the on'es that hurt the opposition the most.

  On 25/11/2015 at 06:23, Pennant St Dee said:

Whilst I thinks it's great Oli performed well in the VFL the biggest plus for me is the fact he has realised very early the sacrifices required to make it at the next level.

Full time conditioning staff and dieticians has me looking at him with a great deal of anticipation

Totally agree.

People have to understand the kid had OP earlier in the season. Add to the fact the Bushies only train once a week.

The kid took it upon himself to get the best out of himself - post season - before Combine. He achieved it. It shows his character and his determination. On top of his finish to the season in TAC Cup.

PS. Make sure you hold onto that sig. That's gold.

  On 25/11/2015 at 23:05, H_T said:

Totally agree.

People have to understand the kid had OP earlier in the season. Add to the fact the Bushies only train once a week.

The kid took it upon himself to get the best out of himself - post season - before Combine. He achieved it. It shows his character and his determination. On top of his finish to the season in TAC Cup.

PS. Make sure you hold onto that sig. That's gold.

Spot on.

Even with his lack of genuine conditioning he managed to come third in the agility test. The kid is unbelievable in traffic. In fact probably the best I have seen for an 18y/o.

Also came equal first (30/30) in the goal kicking test.

Can't wait to see what he can produce after a couple of preseasons.