Post Match Discussion - Round 21

[SaberFang 7,151]

I've put the cue in the rack - not wasting my time watching the next 2 games. I'll only become interested again to see who we delist and draft. Less likely to attract any decent players with these performances. Hope we can get some onfield mongrel types / leaders that play like Hodge, Fyfe, Sloan and J. Selwood - to replace the insipid leaders we have.

Quite laughable to think people were recently talking about Dangerfield coming to us. Not a single player with a shred of sanity would ask for a trade to us. We'll only get the fringe scraps from other clubs by offering bigger contracts.

[Adam The God 29,369]

Can it though? Is it not possible that all our upset wins this year were more a case of the opposition not showing up?

Can you honestly say that Geelong, Collingwood, Bulldogs and Richmond all threw their best at us when we got wins against them? We lambasted DeGoey for explaining away their loss against us from teammates "just expecting to win," but maybe he wasn't far off the truth.

I was genuinely impressed by our win against the Gold Coast and thought the corner had been turned. Then they ended up spending most of the year in 16th and the reality sunk in.

No, I think we made the opposition play poorly. I can honestly say we've improved under Roos and we've made progress this year, but our back end of the year has been really disappointing.

186 is in danger next week.

Melbourne will be lucky to kick four goals for the game.

Who the hell knows what to expect from us? We could just as easily come out next week and win. Bloody hopeless.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Well, goddamn. Just got back from the game. I suffered through the entire debacle.

We hit all our performance indicators today.

Come out meek and insipid instead of breathing fire after a thrashing? Check

Weak start giving the match away by quarter time? Check

Make Carlton look like they're West Coast? Check

Play 15 minutes of decent footy just to show that they can? Check

Play the oppo's junk forward into form? Check

Fall over at every opportunity? Check

Deliver the ball to teammate about to get poleaxed? Check

Deliver ball behind teammate? Check

Save time by just delivering ball straight to opposition player? Check

Carlton. Effin Carlton. Or do I mean, effin Melbourne.

[chook fowler 19,251]

I really resented Garlett laughing and smiling with his Carlton mates at half time when he had no disposals - looked as though he couldn't care.

I know he has kicked a few goals but is missing in action more often than not.

[junk 342]

Dees supporters should be called the stolen generation and thus receive a 170,000 dollars pay out from the federal government as was done in the the past,compensation for pain and suffering.

Once again I mentioned that nothing seems to happens to the untouchables in Watts,Dunn,Garland,Dawes,etc….. When are the hard decisions going to get made? It is alright to play these duds for the sake of trade bait,f..k the supporters.

Once again I said beat Nat Jones and Vince it is curtains for the Dees,perhaps Nat needs a change of scenery play forward or change clubs ( Franklin was very popular at Hawthorn,however the Hawks won 2 premierships without him).

[Deecisive 1,709]

I really don't think cross is worth the effort any more, he maybe a great leader and clubman but he just turns things over far too often, and that ultimately costs us because our players are usually running the other way.

Howe had a shocker, sorry that should be another shocker, does not look interested does not chase hard enough. I think sit him out for the rest of the season, so that he does not lower his value any further. I cannot see paying him $500+ for efforts like that. That's the sad thing we are paying players for their potential not their actual output, otherwise we would be saving a fortune in wages.

Hogan, this guy has to learn to have a defensive side to his game, he is a great mark but if he is held out of the contest then he just gives up.

Jones was woeful again, quite a few weeks in a row that he has been a real liability in the midfield. while is getting tagged he just seems to be looking for the free kick for holding and scragging.

Vince, did not tag effectively and did not contribute anywhere near enough.

While mitchy did a few things well, he really needs to learn how to tackle and chase. he just gives up far too easily.

Garletts performance was disgraceful, Why the hell would he jump up to tackle a much taller player and give away a round the neck, plus multiple other dumb arse frees.

Garland was scragging all day long with 4 umpires who seemed to see , did a few useful things, but also some dumb stuff as usual.

Maxy tried, but he needs help in the ruck too, also lessons on hitting to advantage. Surely after playing together so long they should be able to figure out where to tap the damn ball besides at the opposition and at the feet of our players.

Lamumba was not sighted, which is strange considering how often the ball was down his half.

Brayshaw is a champ, but is still not a patch on where he was before the neck injury. a brilliant kicker.

Salem a good first game back, well compared to the rest of the team that is.

Viney a trier, needs more help and needs to improve his disposal, cannot fault his endeavour as he is aways trying.

Dawes I like his aggression but he gives away too many frees and turns the ball over, well that is on the few occasions he gets it.

Harmes welcome to the big league, needs to adapt to the speed of the game, needs to think and move quicker. maybe he will get better with a bit more experience.

I don't know how many times I saw a Melbourne player run past the opposition player with the ball chasing their man instead of taking out the man with the ball. our players like to corral the opposition instead of tackling. but then 5 tackles in a quarter sums up our bruise free football.

too many of our players had more hand passes than kicks, cheap possessions for some as they waxed back and forth before turning it over

Kicking % was worse than an VFL side quality, there is no excuse for such pathetic kicking from 'professional' footballers. we were led to the ball all day long and when they made mistakes and there was no one there to tackle or put pressure on them.

[DeeZee 7,296]

Well there goes another wasted year.....played above ourselves in a few games,but at the end if the day still a poor bottom four team,striving to be a mediocre middle rung team.

Couldn't win two in a row, could win at Etihad, couldn't win the games we were supposed to etc etc.

Every time we get an opportunity to prove otherwise , we only prove that we are not up to the task.

Don't want it bad enough.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,765]

You could tell exactly what was going to happen when the weak, heartless, clumsy imbecile named Garland tackled his man as the ball approached a contest , gifting Walker his first goal n the first 30 seconds of the game. Straight downhill from there. Real club stalwart and inspirational leader he is, just sets the tone with his failure every week for the last 2 years. Genuine poster boy for the shattered pizzweak culture that has destroyed this club for the last decade. Leave please.

TMac has been excellent this year and Jetta has been good but the rest of our defenders need the blowtorch put on them. I don't see other teams giving away such clumsy free kicks, yet Garland and Dunn have made it an artform. Not to mention Jeremy Howe falling over at critical times as well.

[beelzebub 23,198]

TMac has been excellent this year and Jetta has been good but the rest of our defenders need the blowtorch put on them. I don't see other teams giving away such clumsy free kicks, yet Garland and Dunn have made it an artform. Not to mention Jeremy Howe falling over at critical times as well.

Ditto

Edited August 23, 2015 by beelzebub

[beelzebub 23,198]

For mine ...re T Mac...he cared

He still stuffed up at times but that worried him and he plyed. Had few with him.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

I didn't watch today, but I did flick it on to see the score before half time. ANB had just gotten subbed on. Considering he'd only gotten subbed on before half time, he had reasonable stats the young kid, and scored plus 65 in supercoach. He is going to be a player, I am pretty excited about ANB.

That's if he doesn't die of a broken heart first.

[daisycutter 29,335]

Does any one know if we have a midfield coach?

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

I was told a few months ago by someone who works in the industry that Hogan WILL request a trade either this or next year. I didn't want to believe this, but after today's effort why would any of our young guys want to spend their short working life employed at this rabble.

There was once incident in the third quarter when someone (can't remember who ... might have been Tyson or Michie) was running inside 50 and Hogan was one out on his oppo. Midfielder then kicked it to no one, about 20 metres away and the ball went out of bounds. Hogan looked like Matthew Richardson used to .... "what the F are you doing????"

Who could blame him.

[What 18,810]

Rupert Murdoch just coughed up 2.5 billion for the TV rights deal, how would he and his offsiders view an noncompetitive dead weight like the MFC?

[Adam The God 29,369]

Thought Hogan was incredibly ordinary today. The delivery wasn't great, but the amount of times he dropped sitters having got into position, killed us. His two early misses were costly too. Without him dominating, we really struggle (with the Geelong game the exception).

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

We missed a few easy goals and it would have been great if Salem managed to kick that one right on 3/4 time.

We always squander the ball in front of goals. (Watts easy miss first quarter, Dawes easy miss down the other end. Garlett pass instead of shot, ANB easy miss)

Watch how many times we get a shot on goal, miss it, and within a minute the ball's down the other end.

We never put scoreboard pressure on.

[Adam The God 29,369]

Does any one know if we have a midfield coach?

Doesn't have much to work with, but our set ups do worry me and our ability or lack of ability to spread is very concerning. I become more concerned with every passing week.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,765]

There was once incident in the third quarter when someone (can't remember who ... might have been Tyson or Michie) was running inside 50 and Hogan was one out on his oppo. Midfielder then kicked it to no one, about 20 metres away and the ball went out of bounds. Hogan looked like Matthew Richardson used to .... "what the F are you doing????"

Who could blame him.

It was Garland. His disposal skills are atrocious at times.

[Adam The God 29,369]

There was once incident in the third quarter when someone (can't remember who ... might have been Tyson or Michie) was running inside 50 and Hogan was one out on his oppo. Midfielder then kicked it to no one, about 20 metres away and the ball went out of bounds. Hogan looked like Matthew Richardson used to .... "what the F are you doing????"

Who could blame him.

Harmes also kicked it on the full when he should have got it into Hogan.

And on this, Harmes needs a spell. He makes too many errors.

[monoccular 17,320]

Surely there's nothing more to add at this point.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

"If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got."

Watch us knock off Freo next week. Not even kidding.

Had they not lost two on the trot, yes, they may have "rested" players next week, and just possibly we could have given them a shake.....but......

There is at least 8 players that have to go. Probably more. We have to build the team around guys like Brayshaw, ANB, Vanders, Viney, Salem, Gawn etc. These guys are young and hungry enough to be the ONLY chance we have to ever getting out of the cellar.

Anyone else that doesnt come to play 4 quarters of footy every week, regardless of who they are or what they have showed (in patches no doubt), can go.

Sick of it. There is no time left to [censored] about any longer.

Unfortunately we have to name 22 players each week - have to have 38? (or 40) on the list. So we can't just play those who are prepared to give their all - we would field about half a team.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

Rupert Murdoch just coughed up 2.5 billion for the TV rights deal, how would he and his offsiders view an noncompetitive dead weight like the MFC?

He will order that we be quietly euthanised and he will then broadcast funny cat videos instead of the 9th game of the round.

[SaberFang 7,151]

I don't know how many times I saw a Melbourne player run past the opposition player with the ball chasing their man instead of taking out the man with the ball. our players like to corral the opposition instead of tackling. but then 5 tackles in a quarter sums up our bruise free football.

THIS. x100,000,000.

Absolutely infuriated me. It's miles apart from what I see professional teams do. They all attack the ball the moment they see it in space. Our players look at the ball in space then start looking around for opposition players.

What the actual [censored] are they being taught at training?

[deanox 9,662]

And so it begins

I'm sure if he requests a trade the club will request 3 first round picks and an A grade midfielder. Good luck to him leaving until he's a free agent.

You know, as much as it hurts to say this - because Hogan is the one true star we have - but if someone wanted him bad enough that they were happy to throw 2 first round picks, and there was a way we could turn those 2 first round picks into 4 starting midfield players, i think we'd be better off.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

THIS. x100,000,000.

Absolutely infuriated me. It's miles apart from what I see professional teams do. They all attack the ball the moment they see it in space. Our players look at the ball in space then start looking around for opposition players.

What the actual [censored] are they being taught at training?

Why do they even have those instincts coming out of junior footy?

[picket fence 16,664]

Why do they even have those instincts coming out of junior footy?

Shheit if this is the problem why the Foook did we recruit them anyway!??