Adam Goodes

[AzzKikA 2,371]

Having stopped reading 3/4 of the way through his book as I was sick of tasting my own vomit I dare say following his words would take a strong stomach, not to mention an excellent revisionist view of Australia's poor and sorry history. i mean FFS we celebrate Australia Day and Anzac day. Senseless death and destruction in the name of progress. Go Figure!

Goes to show that your brain needs to be righted, to stop you from forcing your dribble on others.

[Roost It 1,434]

Goes to show that your brain needs to be righted, to stop you from forcing your dribble on others.

So you read the book?

[hardtack 10,187]

Back it up, there is no link otherwise. Its just little ole me calling some guy a name based on his looks alone, has nothing to do with his culture, where he came from, who is brothers, sisters cousins are and least of all what colour they are. But you guys cant seem to see past that.

AzzKizza, I think the greater problem is that you don't seem to be able to see that your comments could be construed as being offensive. Seems you did to yourself exactly what you suggested Rusty Nails do to himself.

[beelzebub 22,718]

Having stopped reading 3/4 of the way through his book as I was sick of tasting my own vomit I dare say following his words would take a strong stomach, not to mention an excellent revisionist view of Australia's poor and sorry history. i mean FFS we celebrate Australia Day and Anzac day. Senseless death and destruction in the name of progress. Go Figure!

you obviously have no understanding of what Anzac day is actually about. More the pity

[Roost It 1,434]

you obviously have no understanding of what Anzac day is actually about. More the pity

It's celebrating those who gave their lives for their country, or in our case our colonial powers

Edited June 1, 2015 by Roost It

[beelzebub 22,718]

It's celebrating those who gave their lives for their country, or in our case our colonial powers

thankyou..I rest my case...you have no idea

[Roost It 1,434]

thankyou..I rest my case...you have no idea

Actually i'm 100% correct.

Having had a father, 2 grandfathers and a Grandmother involved in Wars I don't need you telling me what it means to me or anyone else peanut.

None of my family members celebrated anzac day and saw the day as typical warmongering by the elites.

Now jam that in your pipe and smoke it

[daisycutter 28,724]

Having stopped reading 3/4 of the way through his book as I was sick of tasting my own vomit I dare say following his words would take a strong stomach, not to mention an excellent revisionist view of Australia's poor and sorry history. i mean FFS we celebrate Australia Day and Anzac day. Senseless death and destruction in the name of progress. Go Figure!

i can't let that go without comment ri

anzac day is a day of remembrance not celebration

australia day was not a day of destruction and death

you seem to be illogically fighting revisionism with a revisionism of your own

[Roost It 1,434]

i can't let that go without comment ri

anzac day is a day of remembrance not celebration

australia day was not a day of destruction and death

you seem to be illogically fighting revisionism with a revisionism of your own

Ah yes that is correct. Change that word

[AzzKikA 2,371]

AzzKizza, I think the greater problem is that you don't seem to be able to see that your comments could be construed as being offensive. Seems you did to yourself exactly what you suggested Rusty Nails do to himself.

How very clever of you.

[Grapeviney 9,063]

Gee Charlie Hebdo? what ever happened to that short lived social media phenomena? Moved one elsewhere I suppose Do they still publish?

Short-lived social media phenomena?

They've been publishing since 1970..

[beelzebub 22,718]

Actually i'm 100% correct.

Having had a father, 2 grandfathers and a Grandmother involved in Wars I don't need you telling me what it means to me or anyone else peanut.

None of my family members celebrated anzac day and saw the day as typical warmongering by the elites.

Now jam that in your pipe and smoke it

no youre not ..

No one Celebrates Anzac day as such, they commemorate it. And theres a difference. Only Warmongers and Arms producers celebrate War or Battle. What we as a nation are invited to do on Anzac day is collectively remember the Spirit of the Anzacs and indeed all those that served and gave selflessly in that action and many since so that the legacy they left can be enjoyed by the likes of yourself as well as I and all others.

What does exist to celebrate, is life and the freedoms we enjoy.

youre a bitter person.. and you have the temerity to call others names and besmirch opinions and yet hold out yours as right. You admit bigotry , but suggest it's the 'right ' one.The hypocrisy hasnt gone unnoticed.

[Grapeviney 9,063]

Productive discussions are ones that centre around what we're going to do as a nation to lessen the infant mortality rates and improve the education standards in our indigenous communities. Endlessly debating the merits of a war dance or whether people are booing Goodes cause he is black is, by comparison, fluff.

I understand your point P-man but why shouldn't we be able to tackle both issues (discrimination / human rights and disadvantage / depravation).

It's like the old freedom vs bread argument in South Africa, where people argued that it was a waste of political capital to fight for freedom when many were living below the poverty line in entrenched disadvantage.

Indigenous people or other minority groups shouldn't be forced to pick and choose between freedom and bread - they have the right to demand both.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

no youre not ..

No one Celebrates Anzac day as such, they commemorate it. And theres a difference. Only Warmongers and Arms producers celebrate War or Battle. What we as a nation are invited to do on Anzac day is collectively remember the Spirit of the Anzacs and indeed all those that served and gave selflessly in that action and many since so that the legacy they left can be enjoyed by the likes of yourself as well as I and all others.

What does exist to celebrate, is life and the freedoms we enjoy.

youre a bitter person.. and you have the temerity to call others names and besmirch opinions and yet hold out yours as right. You admit bigotry , but suggest it's the 'right ' one.The hypocrisy hasnt gone unnoticed.

I agree in solemn commemoration. I do not agree with forgetting about the atrocities committed on both sides of the trenches, prison camps and on the field of battle. I also think it is the height on impertinence to suggest we actually know what people "individually" sacrificed their lives for.

As my late grandfather said to me, Son, make no mistake, war is not a place for even a dog. He never attended an ANZAC day march, for which he received some vehement and hostile criticism. The history of our engagement is wars has too often been re-written. That said, I honour those who lost their lives, regardless of their motivation for going to war in the first place.

[deefrag 277]

"White Australians" are to blame!

Who the hell are they?

How do we identify them in this multicultural milieu Australia 2015?

Do they really exist or are they just projections in the psyches of the self loathing?

[nrc73 77]

From a marketing point of view. YES.

I would get MFC to find another big melbourne club (Hawthorn or Carlton) and make it a marquee game.

Play a game Thursday night every year on indigenous round.

Get all 82 indigenous AFL players to attend and participate in the War dance before the game.

Thursday night would be perfect as it is a stand alone game and will allow interstate players to attend and participate.

It will give the opportunity to show solidarity amongst indigenous AFL players and a proper way to celebrate and kick off indigenous round.

This is the type of thought that occurred to me as well. Goodes only cemented what many non-racially motivated people (rightly or wrongly) perceive him to be - individualistic and self-centred. He's Australian of the Year - if there's anyone that could assemble other Indigenous players for a group war dance, it would be him, surely? A group dance before a game would be true celebration of culture - I'd love to see that! It could even be a great moment in modern Indigenous history - to be seen as having a collective voice, their proud heritage before a national audience - what could be better? Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything like in other Australian sports to date.

But what I really hate is media commentators painting the broad brush and labeling all AFL fans that boo as bigoted. Could the AFL be trying to insult and alienate their support base through their media pets any harder?

[AzzKikA 2,371]

I agree in solemn commemoration. I do not agree with forgetting about the atrocities committed on both sides of the trenches, prison camps and on the field of battle. I also think it is the height on impertinence to suggest we actually know what people "individually" sacrificed their lives for.

As my late grandfather said to me, Son, make no mistake, war is not a place for even a dog. He never attended an ANZAC day march, for which he received some vehement and hostile criticism. The history of our engagement is wars has too often been re-written. That said, I honour those who lost their lives, regardless of their motivation for going to war in the first place.

And you have a go at me.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

[Webber 10,181]

No it's OK AF. It is the usual refuge of scoundrels to place epithets on those who disagree with them. It is easy call them "left", "politically correct" Chardonnay Socialists., "do-gooders". But if calling out racism is any of those things, then I am happy to wear them. Even if others ask about the view from my mythical "high-horse". I will continue to call out bigotry on any level.

Then as if to justify their banal criticisms they then seek to support their arguments by citing Andrew Bolt and Keith Windschuttle, when what they say has been shot down time and time again. These are the "flat earth" brigade - sorry for the name calling - of insular conservativism.

It may well be worth remembering that it was a socialist ideologue, Arthur Caldwell, that inspired the paper tiger white Australia Policy and uttered the immortal words "2 wongs, don't make a white"

I've read the last few pages of this thread iv'a, and if there's anything to be learnt from it, it's that the 'insular conservatives' to borrow your too kind label are beyond any challenge to their worldview. As it is fuelled by and predicated on fear of more than just change, any evidentially based attack on their position makes them resort to reflex denial. It's the irrational defence from a cornered intellect. At heart it's a fundamentalism borne of an unquestioning and selfish habit. So good luck trying to push your case. It makes me laugh when they try to paint the current youth as the 'ME' generation.

[PaulRB 6,102]

no youre not ..

No one Celebrates Anzac day as such, they commemorate it. And theres a difference. Only Warmongers and Arms producers celebrate War or Battle. What we as a nation are invited to do on Anzac day is collectively remember the Spirit of the Anzacs and indeed all those that served and gave selflessly in that action and many since so that the legacy they left can be enjoyed by the likes of yourself as well as I and all others.

What does exist to celebrate, is life and the freedoms we enjoy.

youre a bitter person.. and you have the temerity to call others names and besmirch opinions and yet hold out yours as right. You admit bigotry , but suggest it's the 'right ' one.The hypocrisy hasnt gone unnoticed.

In the context of an Adam Goodes thread, the glaring omission from ANZAC day is commemorating the first Australian's loss and deaths when fighting for their land against the invading colonial powers. It is a war they (the indigenous Australians) comprehensively lost, and that we (the beneficiaries of their loss) totally ignore.

That these "Frontier Wars" are the great "forgotten" war that ANZAC day fails to even mention, tarnishes the ANZAC ideal and makes it an event by the victors celebrating their victories...

[AzzKikA 2,371]

This is the type of thought that occurred to me as well. Goodes only cemented what many non-racially motivated people (rightly or wrongly) perceive him to be - individualistic and self-centred. He's Australian of the Year - if there's anyone that could assemble other Indigenous players for a group war dance, it would be him, surely? A group dance before a game would be true celebration of culture - I'd love to see that! It could even be a great moment in modern Indigenous history - to be seen as having a collective voice, their proud heritage before a national audience - what could be better? Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything like in other Australian sports to date.

But what I really hate is media commentators painting the broad brush and labeling all AFL fans that boo as bigoted. Could the AFL be trying to insult and alienate their support base through their media pets any harder?

It would be great, not sure how they could do it, getting a large group of players from different clubs may be too difficult.

I always wanted us to have something like the NZ Huka to intimidate other teams before the game. That [censored] is scary!

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

And you have a go at me.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

WTF!!!!!

[Little Goffy 12,999]

Great rebuff from you LG. I suspect Keith W has done quite a deal more research that you. But then again thats fairly typical of you Canberra lefties when they don't like something, they attack it with nonsense rather than a reasoned argument. That's all you have done in this thread. I suspect you also shout a lot and stamp your feet if your Milo isn't warm enough.

Here's Keith Windschuttle doing research:

2012

Sunday 24th of June

On this day genius Demon coach Mark Neeld led his rugged team to yet another resounding win, crushing the talented Western Sydney Giants.

Showing the wisdom of the Demon's recent recruiting efforts, young guns Matthew Bate, Colin Sylvia, Daniel Nicholson, Jordie Meckenzie and Jack Watts all each delivered more than 20 disposals, with Watts works ethic and marking around the ground particularly noticable, while Sylvia's 2 goals and 10 inside50s show that he has finally delivered on the promise that was simply waiting for a potent coach to unlock.

With 4 goals, Jared Rivers' prowess as a forward is now cemented, and his former defensive teammates are unlikely to see him return then this season or any other. A further 4 goals from boom recruit Mitch Clark vindicated the huge money spent to acquire the Brisbane want-away, and a handy 3 goals from Colin Garland proves that Neeld has finally solved the tall-forward puzzle for the Demons.

Thanks to the inspiration of Neeld, the loading of the forward line has come at little cost, with James Sellar and Joel MacDonald stepping up to ensure that the Giants were able to add just 4 goals after quarter time.

Considered in the wider historical context, this win brings Neelds record to 4 wins out of 4 games played against opponents that Melbourne beat on the day, for a 100% success rate. The decisive nature of the wins over GWS and Gold Coast in particular show just how crushing the Demon's game style has been under Neeld, with both teams unable to recover from the loss or the anticipation of the loss, and finished the season at the bottom of the ladder.

I believe he also did a review of Cale Morton's career. He gathered all the data from games where Morton had at least 20 disposals, deeming of course that games with fewer disposals would not provide an adequate sample. Based on rigorous examination of this data he concluded that Morton was almost unique among young talls of his era, averaging well over 20 disposals a game every year.

[PaulRB 6,102]

Painting you won't find in the ANZAC archives - Mounted police engaging Indigenous Australians during the Slaughterhouse Creek Massacre of 1838.

[Little Goffy 12,999]

For simpler and fresher example;

For a 'Windschuttlese' review of the game against Port, all you have to do is go through the first quarter and make a detailed note of the position of every Melbourne player each time they successfully kicked the ball, their height, momentum, the way their legs arced gracefully through the air, their junior club, every award they ever received, their mum's favourite recipe, and what they do on the weekends.

Wheel it out to about 80 pages, then when you're done place about three sentences amongst it at random points saying "of course it must be acknowledged that not all quarters of the game were as triumphant as this one, but to dwell on such matters would be unreasonably negative, indeed, a black-armband approach to the Melbourne Demon's fine performance."

What I'm saying is, among historians Windschuttle is a laughing stock internationally and an embarrassment in Australia.

[jackaub 1,402]

Short-lived social media phenomena?

They've been publishing since 1970..

Yes but they have all but disappeared from view.That's the phenomena. As soon as everybody stopped seeming to care about it it stopped being and I know that it has been published for along time.I was merely commenting on its recent rise and fall Everybody seemed to care but nobody mentions it any more except you.