Jump to content

Delistings/trades at end of the season



Recommended Posts

DD you are so blinkered against Watts that you wouldn't even acknowledge it if he got a hard ball. Watts is one of the most elite users of the ball when he gets posession and is responsible for more goal assists (and goals) than anybody else on our list. I always know that something positive is going to develop when Watts gets the ball in the same way that I do with Garlett and, before that, Jurrah.

We have got enough players that can get the hard ball and it will improve even moreso when Petracca and Trengrove come on stream next year, joining Brayshaw, vandemBerg, Riley, Jones, Hogan etc. Watts was never recruited as an inside midfielder so let's appreciate him for his set of skills. His teammates are always supportive of him, a far cry from many Demonlanders who refuse to move on because we drafted him instead of Nic Nat. It is the same arguments that the same people throw up against Toumpas vs. Wines.

That's because he has never got one in any of his 100 game career.

I'm still waiting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

please before Grimes we have plenty of other players to cut...

Bail Fitzpatrick M.Jones Spencer Mckenzie Hunt Terlich Jamar (ret)

I would be looking at Gawn and Fitz well before Spencil at this point. Not saying Spencil is a match winner or miles ahead either but i think he is a "possible" AFL regular in our best 22 going forward (until we come up with a another soldier (eg., King when ready maybe). The other 2 talls aren't IMO.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fitzy is worth keeping

Footscray can f off...

WYL can i have some of what you're having mate!

I've yet to see why he is worth holding on to (until now) other than one half decent game against the doggies

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

if footscray offered mitch wallis, jack macrae, jake stringer, or the bont for him i hardly think we'd be saying no...

we need midfielders with pace and skill. theirs are their best players.

We'd be laughing if we got any of those for Fitzy (despite his obvious upside). Would take Macrae any day of the week. Is he still struggling to get a game at the Bullies?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let's be honest here....

Totally untouchable: Jones, Hogan, McDonald, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem.

I'd trade anyone else for the right offer.

Let me say that again before anyone arcs up, the right offer.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Let's be honest here....

Totally untouchable: Jones, Hogan, McDonald, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem.

I'd trade anyone else for the right offer.

Let me say that again before anyone arcs up, the right offer.

Add Tyson to that group and I'm with you, mate.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let's be honest here....

Totally untouchable: Jones, Hogan, McDonald, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem.

I'd trade anyone else for the right offer.

Let me say that again before anyone arcs up, the right offer.

So to paraphrase an old joke,

"We've established the fact that you're a prostitute,now we are just quibbling over the price".

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

WYL can i have some of what you're having mate!

I've yet to see why he is worth holding on to (until now) other than one half decent game against the doggies

I like his attitude. I want to see him have a real crack before he is trade bait
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thought about it. I like him, I just wouldn't put him in the totally untouchable group..... yet.

Sentimentality aside, Tyson's more of an "untouchable" than Viney I would have thought. Despite some patchy form this year, his best has been quite a fair way ahead of Jack's. Not to say Viney won't become a gun footballer, but Tyson is more valuable at this stage.

Edited by Scythe
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I've never seen Viv Michie impact a contest or win a hard ball.

VFL standard only.

Talking to a few at Casey yesterday and this was the sentiment expressed time and again. He is just not flashy but gets the job done. Most could not work out why he gets the flick first after being assigned the better players when he is in the team. If they pick him to take Fyfe one week then drop him the next only to bring him back in to take Mitchell what is their thinking. Does not make a lot of sense, either he is good enough to take these great players and reduce their influence or he is not. They are certainly trying to build him into a tagger. Completely shut down Dwyer yesterday after he got away to a great start (2 goals in the 1st Qtr but not a touch in the second). Had no impact after the first qtr. Viv kicked a great goal and had a hand in a couple more.

Watts is AFL standard.

I watch all players. Mitchie is a good, ordinary player. Hardly impacts.

DD you are so blinkered against Watts that you wouldn't even acknowledge it if he got a hard ball. Watts is one of the most elite users of the ball when he gets posession and is responsible for more goal assists (and goals) than anybody else on our list. I always know that something positive is going to develop when Watts gets the ball in the same way that I do with Garlett and, before that, Jurrah.

We have got enough players that can get the hard ball and it will improve even moreso when Petracca and Trengrove come on stream next year, joining Brayshaw, vandemBerg, Riley, Jones, Hogan etc. Watts was never recruited as an inside midfielder so let's appreciate him for his set of skills. His teammates are always supportive of him, a far cry from many Demonlanders who refuse to move on because we drafted him instead of Nic Nat. It is the same arguments that the same people throw up against Toumpas vs. Wines.

D'land at its best!

Jumbo, Michie may well be VFL standard only as you say but, if he is and i'm not saying he is, there are others around him that might also deserve the badge you have bestowed upon him.

CBD that statement isn't quite correct as you can see below. He isn't the highest ranked in either Goal Assists or Goals per game averages so not sure where you're getting your info from. He is up there yes but not leading them as you state.

If there's any truth to Jumbo's statement about being VFL standard only, and there may well be, there others that probably also qualify (if you agree with Jumbo) who actually rank worse than Viv in many key areas. Just saying. Take a look gang. I've given you the top 5 plus i've added the regular names that come up quite often amongst D'landers as potential trade bait/VFL standard only type arguments etc as well as a few stand out new (roos drafted) players to see how they're all fairing in a comparative sense. All stats are up to and including Round 9 which is a statistically significant sample in the context of a season (stats courtesy of Footywire).

Averages Per Game

Tackles

1. Spencer (6.3)

2. Viney (5.3)

3. Vanders (5.1)

4. Brayshaw (4.6)

4. N Jones (4.6)

7. M Jones (4.0)

7. R. Bail (4.0)

14. Salem (3.6 in only his 2nd year!)

21. Grimes (2.5)

22. Howe (2.44)

23. Toumpas (2.4)

24. Michie (2.3)

26. Watts (2.1)

Uncontested Possessions

1. Viney (14.0)

2. N Jones (12.4)

3. T-Mac (12.1)

4. Crossy (11.89)

5. Tyson (11.86)

6. Grimes (11.7)

9. Michie (10.0)

11. Toumpas (9.4)

13. Howe (9.1)

15. Salem (8.7)

16. Fitzy (8.5)

19. Bail (8.0)

22. Watts (7.0)

Effective Disposals

1. Cross (15.6)

2. Viney (15.0)

3. T-Mac (14.9)

4. N Jones (14.7)

5. Tyson (13.7)

6. Fitzy (13.5)

7. Howe (13.2)

8. Grimes (13.0)

11. Michie (11.3)

16. Spencer (10.2)

20. Toumpas (9.4)

21. M Jones (9.0)

22. Watts (8.5)

23. Bail (8.3)

Goal Assists

1. Michie (0.67)

1. M Jones (0.67)

3. Watts (0.63)

4. JKH (0.60)

5. Newton (0.57)

Goals

1. Garlett (2.0)

2. Hulk (1.7)

3. Pedo (1.2)

4. Newton (1.0)

4. Fitzy (1.0)

6. Watts (0.63)

Contested Possessions

1. Tyson (9.6)

2. N Jones (9.4)

3. Vanders (8.7... DE of 49%! ughh)

4. Crossy (8.4)

5. Vince (7.9)

10. Spencer (6.7)

12. Howe (6.1)

15. M Jones (6.0)

15. Michie (6.0)

18. Grimes (5.2)

20. Fitzy (5.0)

20. Riley (5.0)

26. Watts (4.6)

27. Toump (4.6)

I'm going to get served with divorce papers if i keep going so i'll finish up here. Let me know if you want any other particular stat averages or if you would like to know where a particular player sits that isn't listed and i'll post them when the war office is absent! :ph34r:

Edited by Rusty Nails
  • Like 7
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sentimentality aside, Tyson's more of an "untouchable" than Viney I would have thought. Despite some patchy form this year, his best has been quite a fair way ahead of Jack's. Not to say Viney won't become a gun footballer, but Tyson is more valuable at this stage.

For me, it's not just about skill. Viney is untouchable for the same reason Jones is, he provides us with a bit of heart which is something we can't afford to trade away.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

For me, it's not just about skill. Viney is untouchable for the same reason Jones is, he provides us with a bit of heart which is something we can't afford to trade away.

He also provides us with muscle and aggression at the contest. That is something we have been sadly lacking. I'm sick of Melbourne players being brushed aside or unable to hold a tackle. Our pizzweakness (sic)has been plain embarrassing over recent years.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

D'land at its best!

Jumbo, Michie may well be VFL standard only as you say but, if he is and i'm not saying he is, there are others around him that might also deserve the badge you have bestowed upon him.

CBD that statement isn't quite correct as you can see below. He isn't the highest ranked in either Goal Assists or Goals per game averages so not sure where you're getting your info from. He is up there yes but not leading them as you state.

If there's any truth to Jumbo's statement about being VFL standard only, and there may well be, there others that probably also qualify (if you agree with Jumbo) who actually rank worse than Viv in many key areas. Just saying. Take a look gang. I've given you the top 5 plus i've added the regular names that come up quite often amongst D'landers as potential trade bait/VFL standard only type arguments etc as well as a few stand out new (roos drafted) players to see how they're all fairing in a comparative sense. All stats are up to and including Round 9 which is a statistically significant sample in the context of a season (stats courtesy of Footywire).

Averages Per Game

Tackles

1. Spencer (6.3)

2. Viney (5.3)

3. Vanders (5.1)

4. Brayshaw (4.6)

4. N Jones (4.6)

7. M Jones (4.0)

7. R. Bail (4.0)

14. Salem (3.6 in only his 2nd year!)

21. Grimes (2.5)

22. Howe (2.44)

23. Toumpas (2.4)

24. Michie (2.3)

26. Watts (2.1)

Uncontested Possessions

1. Viney (14.0)

2. N Jones (12.4)

3. T-Mac (12.1)

4. Crossy (11.89)

5. Tyson (11.86)

6. Grimes (11.7)

9. Michie (10.0)

11. Toumpas (9.4)

13. Howe (9.1)

15. Salem (8.7)

16. Fitzy (8.5)

19. Bail (8.0)

22. Watts (7.0)

Effective Disposals

1. Cross (15.6)

2. Viney (15.0)

3. T-Mac (14.9)

4. N Jones (14.7)

5. Tyson (13.7)

6. Fitzy (13.5)

7. Howe (13.2)

8. Grimes (13.0)

11. Michie (11.3)

16. Spencer (10.2)

20. Toumpas (9.4)

21. M Jones (9.0)

22. Watts (8.5)

23. Bail (8.3)

Goal Assists

1. Michie (0.67)

1. M Jones (0.67)

3. Watts (0.63)

4. JKH (0.60)

5. Newton (0.57)

Goals

1. Garlett (2.0)

2. Hulk (1.7)

3. Pedo (1.2)

4. Newton (1.0)

4. Fitzy (1.0)

6. Watts (0.63)

Contested Possessions

1. Tyson (9.6)

2. N Jones (9.4)

3. Vanders (8.7... DE of 49%! ughh)

4. Crossy (8.4)

5. Vince (7.9)

10. Spencer (6.7)

12. Howe (6.1)

15. M Jones (6.0)

15. Michie (6.0)

18. Grimes (5.2)

20. Fitzy (5.0)

20. Riley (5.0)

26. Watts (4.6)

27. Toump (4.6)

I'm going to get served with divorce papers if i keep going so i'll finish up here. Let me know if you want any other particular stat averages or if you would like to know where a particular player sits that isn't listed and i'll post them when the war office is absent! :ph34r:

Great work. Games played would be helpful as some on these lists have not played 20 games at AFL level yet. Writing anybody off before they get to 20 games is gutsy.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let's be honest here....

Totally untouchable: Jones, Hogan, McDonald, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Salem.

I'd trade anyone else for the right offer.

Let me say that again before anyone arcs up, the right offer.

Add Tyson to that group and I'm with you, mate.

Thought about it. I like him, I just wouldn't put him in the totally untouchable group..... yet.

Sentimentality aside, Tyson's more of an "untouchable" than Viney I would have thought. Despite some patchy form this year, his best has been quite a fair way ahead of Jack's. Not to say Viney won't become a gun footballer, but Tyson is more valuable at this stage.

For me, it's not just about skill. Viney is untouchable for the same reason Jones is, he provides us with a bit of heart which is something we can't afford to trade away.

I think Tyson is stronger in the contest than both Jones & Viney. The other 2 are more manic but Tyson can stand up a and release in the tackle better (when he decides) than the other 2, he is physically bigger and stronger.

I think your list is pretty much on the money 'stuie' but I would add Tyson.

Edited by rjay
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Great work. Games played would be helpful as some on these lists have not played 20 games at AFL level yet. Writing anybody off before they get to 20 games is gutsy.

According to some on here Tom Boyd is a hack yet our players who have minimum five years behind them are.....
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think Tyson is stronger in the contest than both Jones & Viney. The other 2 are more manic but Tyson can stand up a and release in the tackle better (when he decides) than the other 2, he is physically bigger and stronger.

I think your list is pretty much on the money 'stuie but I would add Tyson.

What have you made of Tyson's year so far, rjay?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I like his attitude. I want to see him have a real crack before he is trade bait

Fair point and he has only played 20 odd matches. They say big fellas take longer to come on as well. We do hav to sort out our big man dept though as we have 4 on the list. 3 if you assume its the Russians swan song. But then 4 again if we include King in the mix.

Edited by Rusty Nails
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I posted this in the Senior List Jigsaw Puzzle Thread but is relevant here as well.

As we start to discuss our ideas for next season I have updated the contracts thread to so we have a clear picture of who is out the door / needs to be resigned.

2019
N Jones

2018
Brayshaw, Petracca

2017
Dunn, Hogan, Lumumba, Salem, Kennedy-Harris, Viney

2016
Dawes, Grimes (RFA), Watts (RFA), Michie*, Vince, Tyson*, Kent, M Jones, Spencer, T McDonald, Terlich, Jetta, Garlett, Stretch, Frost, Trengrove, Neal-Bullen, Newton*, O McDonald

2015
Jamar (UFA), Garland (RFA), McKenzie, Howe, Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Toumpas, Pedersen, Hunt, Cross, Bail, Riley, Harmes ®, King ®, Vandenberg
®, White ®



* = Require confirmation...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Great work. Games played would be helpful as some on these lists have not played 20 games at AFL level yet. Writing anybody off before they get to 20 games is gutsy.

Agreed. I have heard some of the past veteran players in the media bandy 60 - 80 games as a rough guide before judging how a new player is rolling.

The trouble is though Samael, our list runs very shallow so in many other clubs the depth players or new rookies do their apprenticeship in the VFL for a few years and have to fight like hell before they get a look in at senior level. By then the powers that be have had a fair crack at seeing what type of standard they might be getting as well as years playing the style of game that's needed to break into the seniors under the guide of their VFL affiliate club/coach.

I'm not sure we have any such luxuries with our Casey connection or our extremely shallow list. And I suspect it's been this way for as long as the AFL dumped the reserves (for us anyway).

Edited by Rusty Nails
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fair point and he has only played 20 odd matches. They say big fellas take longer to come on as well. We do hav to sort out our big man dept though as we have 4 on the list. 3 if you assume its the Russians swan song. But then 4 again if we include King in the mix.

RN, thanks for all the stats....bloody good reading!

Beats reading and marking essays! :)

Hope you're still married.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

RN, thanks for all the stats....bloody good reading!

Beats reading and marking essays! :)

Hope you're still married.

Only just I think Jumbo. Glad you enjoyed although I'm a tad concerned as I'm doing it out of boredom mostly. Hopefully your weekends aren't this boring.

In the end they are only stats Jumbo and in some cases not the sort the coaches would bother with too much anyways. Some of them are half decent though like uncontested which might give us keyboard warriors a rough guide as to who is spreading well etc. Tackles not too bad as a rough "pressure act" guide etc. I really wld love to see the juicy stuff from champion though such as "pressure acts", "turnovers inside 50 from pressure acts", "goals from link up play" (I forget what it's called but gives you a guide as to who has the most involvement in passages of play that result in goals eg, Harvey was one of the highest last year being involved in something like a massive 36% of link play that resulted in goals. Coaches love this stuff and is usually highlighted to them by their review crew for up coming match ups etc). Kicking efficiency is another I'd love to see. Anyway we aren't going to get the good stuff so just have to use what we have as a rough guide.

RPFC is doing some great work with differentials in uncontested etc at a team level which is a great guide to how we are performing vs the rest of the comp. Not sure if you've taken a look.

In the end though you get a much better feel from seeing what's taking place obviously. And as OD would often remind us, at the end of the day the only stat that matters is the scoreboard silly! ^_^

Edited by Rusty Nails
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    EASYBEATS by Meggs

    A beautiful sunny Friday afternoon, with a light breeze and a strong Windy Hill crowd set the scene, inviting one team to seize the day and take the important four points on offer. For the Demons it was not a good Friday, easily beaten by an all-time largest losing margin of 65 points.   Essendon threw themselves into action today, winning most of the contests and had three early goals with Daria Bannister on fire.  In contrast the Demons were dropping marks, hesitant in close and comm

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 9

    DEFUSE THE BOMBERS by Meggs

    Last Saturday’s crushing loss to Fremantle, after being three goals ahead at three quarter time, should be motivation enough to bounce back for this very winnable Round 5 clash at Windy Hill. A first-time venue for the Melbourne AFLW team, this should be a familiar suburban, windy, footy environment for the players.   Essendon were brave and competitive last week against ladder leader Adelaide at Sturt’s home ground. A familiar name, Maddison Gay, was the Bombers best player with

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 33

    BLOW THE SIREN by Meggs

    Fremantle hosted the Demons on a sunny 20-degree Saturdayafternoon winning the toss and electing to defend in the first quarter against the 3-goal breeze favouring the Parry Street end. There was method here, as this would give the comeback queens, the Dockers, last use of the breeze. The Melbourne Coach had promised an improved performance, and we did start better than previous weeks, winning the ball out of the middle, using the breeze advantage and connecting to the forwards. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    GETAWAY by Meggs

    Calling all fit players. Expect every available Melbourne player to board the Virgin cross-continent flight to Perth for this Round 4 clash on Saturday afternoon at Fremantle Oval. It promises to be keenly contested, though Fremantle is the bookies clear favourite.  If we lose, finals could be remoter than Rottnest Island especially following on from the Dees 50-point dismantlement by North Melbourne last Sunday.  There are 8 remaining matches, over the next 7 weeks.  To Meggs’

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    DRUBBING by Meggs

    With Casey Fields basking in sunshine, an enthusiastic throng of young Demons fans formed a guard of honour for the evergreen and much admired 75-gamer Paxy Paxman. As the home team ran out to play, Paxy’s banner promised that the Demons would bounce back from last week’s loss to Brisbane and reign supreme.   Disappointingly, the Kangaroos dominated the match to win by 50 points, but our Paxy certainly did her bit.  She was clearly our best player, sweeping well in defence.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 4

    GARNER STRENGTH by Meggs

    In keeping with our tough draw theme, Week 3 sees Melbourne take on flag favourites, North Melbourne, at Casey Fields this Sunday at 1:05pm.  The weather forecast looks dry, a coolish 14 degrees and will be characteristically gusty.  Remember when Casey Fields was considered our fortress?  The Demons have lost two of their past three matches at the Field of Dreams, so opposition teams commute down the Princes Highway with more optimism these days.  The Dees held the highe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 1

    ALLY’S FIELDS by Meggs

    It was a sunny morning at Casey Fields, as Demon supporters young and old formed a guard of honour for fan favourite and 50-gamer Alyssa Bannan.  Banno’s banner stated the speedster was the ‘fastest 50 games’ by an AFLW player ever.   For Dees supporters, today was not our day and unfortunately not for Banno either. A couple of opportunities emerged for our number 6 but alas there was no sizzle.   Brisbane atoned for last week’s record loss to North Melbourne, comprehensively out

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 1

    GOOD MORNING by Meggs

    If you are driving or training it to Cranbourne on Saturday, don’t forget to set your alarm clock. The Melbourne Demons play the reigning premiers Brisbane Lions at Casey Fields this Saturday, with the bounce of the ball at 11:05am.  Yes, that’s AM.   The AFLW fixture shows deference to the AFL men’s finals games.  So, for the men it’s good afternoon and good evening and for the women it’s good morning.     The Lions were wounded last week by 44 points, their highest ever los

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 3

    HORE ON FIRE by Meggs

    The 40,000 seat $319 million redeveloped Kardinia Park Stadium was nowhere near capacity last night but the strong, noisy contingent of Melbourne supporters led by the DeeArmy journeyed to Geelong to witness a high-quality battle between two of the best teams in AFLW.   The Cats entered the arena to the blasting sounds of Zombie Nation and made a hot start kicking the first 2 goals. They brought tremendous forward half pressure, and our newly renovated defensive unit looked shaky.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons 11
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...