On 10/01/2016 at 23:23, Ted Fidge said:

Hird (alternate mix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHZUlf_z6o

 

  On 10/01/2016 at 23:27, daisycutter said:

Slobbo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYWTKrwRIc

What did I just watch??

  On 11/01/2016 at 00:04, Bombay Airconditioning said:

 

What did I just watch??

you were supposed to listen, ba 

  On 10/01/2016 at 23:40, Macca said:

Guilty and the players out for 12 games  ... wouldn't be at all surprised if the verdict is not guilty though. 

That's my guess too.

I have a bad feeling it will be not guilty but my guess is guilty and banned for 12 months minus time served, so 8 months or so. I say 12 months due to discounting from 2 years for the delays not directly attributable to the players, I don't think they will get the no significant fault discount. 

That means mid August return so all but a season on the sidelines and start fresh in the preseason next year. I wouldn't be unhappy with that. 

My gut says not guilty too

Thus opening the way for everyone to take whatever they want and keep no records

  On 11/01/2016 at 00:07, daisycutter said:

you were supposed to listen, ba 

You can hear sounds on youtube? Damn, I have been doing it wrong all these years ! 

guilty but no bans i reckon.  

think i wont happen?  this is the AFL/WADA it dont have to make sense!

  On 11/01/2016 at 03:56, DubDee said:

guilty but no bans i reckon.  

think i wont happen?  this is the AFL/WADA it dont have to make sense!

Except that this is CAS, not the AFL/WADA...although whether that makes it any more or less sensible I have no idea.

I'm sure CAS is well aware of the world-wide implications of letting a club get away with systematic doping.  From that perspective, the careers of individual players won't count for much.

So after 4 years of listening to "Nows not the time to talk about outcomes" and "EFC havent been found guilty" we can actually point and jeer.

I personally hate the "Nows not the time to discuss" for whatever apologists come up with in any field.

I hope punishment is solid and I hope the Brownlow is ordered returned. I hope Robinson, Tim Watson and Connolly are brought to account for their barracking and unbalanced journalism.

 

1 more sleep....

Just tried to have a look at Bomberblitz to see what sort of delusion was going on over there, it appears the site has crashed, not surprising really, hopefully we are no where near the same provider because they are likely to explode when the findings are given no matter which way they go. 

what time tomorrow does the fat lady sing?

  On 11/01/2016 at 05:30, daisycutter said:

what time tomorrow does the fat lady sing?

About 30 minutes before they release the Dusty findings is my estimate dc.

  On 11/01/2016 at 05:34, old dee said:

About 30 minutes before they release the Dusty findings is my estimate dc.

od, the Dusty findings were released 2 days before Christmas when, of course no would notice.  Outcome: Police dropped the case.  No criminal offence had occurred.  Therefore AFL and RFC decided no reason to take action.  That a crime is not required to bring 'the game into disrepute' was conveniently forgotten.  Players have lost games for much less.  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dustin-martin-chopstick-investigation-dropped-20151222-gltn9k.html

BTW, the same day the AFLPA released their findings on Treloar's Manager (Bulcher??) and the surgery he 'requested' and 'paid for.  They found no case to answer.  Again 'timely' release ensured it was swept under the carpet.  http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/manager-peter-blucher-cleared-in-adam-treloar-surgery-investigation-20151222-glt43l.html

The integrity of the AFL Integrity unit and the AFPLA dropped a few notches at Christmas.

  On 11/01/2016 at 05:53, Lucifer's Hero said:

od, the Dusty findings were released 2 days before Christmas when, of course no would notice.  Outcome: Police dropped the case therefore AFL and RFC decided no reason to take action.  That a crime is not required to bring 'the game into disrepute' was conveniently forgotten.  Players have lost games for much less.  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dustin-martin-chopstick-investigation-dropped-20151222-gltn9k.html

BTW, the next day the AFL released their findings on Treloar's Manager (Bulcher??) and the surgery he 'requested' and 'paid for.  AFL found no case to answer.  Again 'timely' release ensured it was swept under the carpet.

The integrity of the AFL Integrity unit dropped a few notches at Christmas.

Depends what you think the integrity unit do, I always thought they were there to weed out people of integrity and remove them, that is the only logical role they play given the actions of the AFL. 

  On 11/01/2016 at 05:53, Lucifer's Hero said:

od, the Dusty findings were released 2 days before Christmas when, of course no would notice.  Outcome: Police dropped the case.  No criminal offence had occurred.  Therefore AFL and RFC decided no reason to take action.  That a crime is not required to bring 'the game into disrepute' was conveniently forgotten.  Players have lost games for much less.  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dustin-martin-chopstick-investigation-dropped-20151222-gltn9k.html

BTW, the same day the AFLPA released their findings on Treloar's Manager (Bulcher??) and the surgery he 'requested' and 'paid for.  They found no case to answer.  Again 'timely' release ensured it was swept under the carpet.  http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/manager-peter-blucher-cleared-in-adam-treloar-surgery-investigation-20151222-glt43l.html

The integrity of the AFL Integrity unit and the AFPLA dropped a few notches at Christmas.

I disagree LH that was the police investigation. the AFL and Richmond were still considering what they should do.

i have been watching and to my knowledge they have said nothing since.

 

  On 11/01/2016 at 05:58, Chris said:

Depends what you think the integrity unit do, I always thought they were there to weed out people of integrity and remove them, that is the only logical role they play given the actions of the AFL. 

 

The AFL Integrity Unit comply with th other definition of "integrity"

"the state of being whole and undivided."

 

If attacked by outside entities or parties they maintain the integrity of  competition by plastering or white washing over any threats or issues that make the AFL look bad.

 

Late News.

ASADA has hired Sean Penn to find the missing Essendon supplements injection records

All are in the starting blocks ready to take civil legal action on behalf of the players:  http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-supplements-saga-civil-action-by-essendon-34-likely-says-player-agent-20160111-gm3amf.html

It reads as if the civil action will be taken regardless of the CAS outcome - no surprise.  Civil action has been obvious since Ziggy put out his 'pharmacological experiment' report in mid 2013.

dc the article says the verdict will be known early tomorrow morning.

As previously suggested.

Guilty. 2 years less voluntary suspensions. All bans from tomorrow.

I.e about 19 months 

Anyone who wants to put Melksham above decency and justice has a rather warped sense of values I have to admit.

If there are no rules and adherence to them you have anarchy.

Guilty. 12 month suspension from now for all relevant players. Life ban for Mr Hird and some penalty for our coach-in-waiting. Then we await an AFL verdict on the Watson Brownlow. 

@heraldsunmick has just told us @EssendonFC will know verdict at 7:30... Media to know shortly after.

  On 16/12/2015 at 22:57, binman said:

Correct me if i'm wrong but haven't your 'sources' indicated the book will be thrown at them, that WADA will go after Hird and other high ups and that the players will get long sentences (two years IIRC)?

You seem to be softening your predictions.

To avoid post announcement spin perhaps you can provide succinct answers to the following questions , based of course on your intel from sources. Note that i am assuming they will be found guilty.

1. How long will the penalties be for the players?
2. How many games will the players actually miss after backdating and other considerations are taken into account?
3. Will WADA go after Hird, the board etc as you have previously forecast?
4. If your answer is to number 3 yes (and i'd be surprised if it wasn't) will they announce their intention to do so when handing down the findings on players (which would seem the logical time)?

For balance my answers to these questions are as follows:

1. 18 months
2. 10 (available to play from round 11)
3. No
4. Thye will be asked their intentions, suggest they will look into it and drop it thereafter

 

My predictions

Little has done a great job at hosing this down, by delaying he has been able to swap out some of the players to reduce the final impact that any penalty will have on the club. They have effectively diminished the punishment significantly.  Now if they get banned for 6-12 months there is a good chance they will finish down low or possibly even bottom of the ladder giving them valuable draft picks in this years draft. So next year with new draftees and new picks and their full list returned they should be in a very good position for next year. All in all I think a lot of essendon supports will be happy with that outcome considering how bad it could have been.