THE SAGA CONTINUES - WADA APPEALS

[beelzebub 23,379]

Masters is the Mistess and is being royally screwed.

[daisycutter 29,616]

Masters is the Mistess and is being royally screwed.

laughable really, does he think cas/wada read his scribbling, let alone be influenced by it. deluded to the extreme

[Willmoy1947 4,096]

Yes I too think the Russian Roulette Rumble is quite opportune in the Essendon Exercise of Ineptitude.

I would love a handed back Brownlow and a newly opened Stalag Ozz on the Nullarbor Plain if CAS so recommended.

[Lucifers Hero 39,870]

So Dees2014, what sanctions do you think will be applied: 1 yr, 2 yrs? Any backdating, or allowance for previous provisional suspensions?

I am clear on the options for sanctions but not on where you stand on the suspensions you believe will be meted out.

You've dismissed the 'guilty but no new sanctions' outcome as put by Masters.

For the record my view is:

- Not all 34 players will be found guilty.

- The 2-3 players found to have tested positive to TB4 will probably get new suspensions ie 6 months (from date of decision ie Jan 2016)

- The other players found guilty will get the benefit of backdating and allowances and will not miss games.

Clearly you believe all 34 will be found guilty.

So for the record, what is your prediction of the sanctions (months? years? start date?) and any allowances/backdating?

[beelzebub 23,379]

So Dees2014, what sanctions do you think will be applied: 1 yr, 2 yrs? Any backdating, or allowance for previous provisional suspensions?

I am clear on the options for sanctions but not on where you stand on the suspensions you believe will be meted out.

You've dismissed the 'guilty but no new sanctions' outcome as put by Masters.

For the record my view is:

- Not all 34 players will be found guilty.

- The 2-3 players found to have tested positive to TB4 will probably get new suspensions ie 6 months (from date of decision ie Jan 2016)

- The other players found guilty will get the benefit of backdating and allowances and will not miss games.

Clearly you believe all 34 will be found guilty.

So for the record, what is your prediction of the sanctions (months? years? start date?) and any allowances/backdating?

Hard to see how they can't all be guilty for mine, but possibly by varying degrees.

Base ban 2 years

Allowances... only time of the voluntary suspensions in that regard can be deducted. Ban starts from Date of handing down of judgement...None of this last game crap. ( No backdating )

The 'only" contrivance I can see being concocted is some form of time reduced for 'helping' the inquiry' ...yeah right

I still think 20 months will be the effective ban for most of them

[Lucifers Hero 39,870]

Hard to see how they can't all be guilty for mine, but possibly by varying degrees.

Base ban 2 years

Allowances... only time of the voluntary suspensions in that regard can be deducted. Ban starts from Date of handing down of judgement...None of this last game crap. ( No backdating )

The 'only" contrivance I can see being concocted is some form of time reduced for 'helping' the inquiry' ...yeah right

I still think 20 months will be the effective ban for most of them

Thank you bb. I have seen you make these points in earlier posts and appreciate you reiterating them.

I haven't seen a summary (I may have missed it) of what Dees2014 thinks will happen to the 34 players (the sole focus of the CAS hearing) re sanctions/penalties/allowances/backdating.

So am hoping he will post on that (not the fallout to other parties from a guilty CAS finding on which I have seen his posts).

[daisycutter 29,616]

i think penalty will be small - less than half of playing season

don't know why, just a feeling

so more than wet tram ticket but less than bub, d2014 predicting

[beelzebub 23,379]

An aspect to this is CAS..and ny inference WADA cant let this go too lightly..Theyre currently banging away at Russia. Now yo cant go the Russians with proper bans and turn around to some small fry lot of a sport and hand out tram tickets...It wont wash.

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

[censored] Essendon

[old dee 23,792]

i think penalty will be small - less than half of playing season

don't know why, just a feeling

so more than wet tram ticket but less than bub, d2014 predicting

It is the "Force" dc

[old dee 23,792]

An aspect to this is CAS..and ny inference WADA cant let this go too lightly..Theyre currently banging away at Russia. Now yo cant go the Russians with proper bans and turn around to some small fry lot of a sport and hand out tram tickets...It wont wash.

Like the Bombers bb Nothing has happened and if anything it will be minor.

The IOC is corrupt and weak.

Not a tram ticket but a couple of pages of a rolled up news paper.

The Olympics are a drugs play ground.

They have been for 30+ years.

I gave up watching a long time ago.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

It is the "Force" dc

The force awakening? :-)

[beelzebub 23,379]

The force awakening? :-)

new film on way...cant be ignored... the force is building.

The farce is crumbling.

[old dee 23,792]

new film on way...cant be ignored... the force is building.

The farce is crumbling.

Talk is cheap bb.

You watch the IOC they will go to water as usual.

They do Corruption better than anyone.

The chiefs need the Russian block votes

[Red and Bluebeard 2,084]

Talk is cheap bb.

You watch the IOC they will go to water as usual.

They do Corruption better than anyone.

The chiefs need the Russian block votes

FIFA would give them a run for their money .... but yes, the IOC will find a way to not punish Russia (too important to ban basically ... )

[Chris 2,892]

Talk is cheap bb.

You watch the IOC they will go to water as usual.

They do Corruption better than anyone.

The chiefs need the Russian block votes

This is a WADA matter and the only say the IOC have on WADA is through pressure to find certain things. That is a real possibility but hopefully WADA stick to their guns and hold up the standards we all want to see.

Not all the Olympics is full of drugs either, it is probably only half the sports that have any real issue at all.

[beelzebub 23,379]

Talk is cheap bb.

You watch the IOC they will go to water as usual.

They do Corruption better than anyone.

The chiefs need the Russian block votes

ioc isnt the one with russia in its sights.

Ioc are a messenger...not the sheriff !!

[Dees2014 2,377]

Thank you bb. I have seen you make these points in earlier posts and appreciate you reiterating them.

I haven't seen a summary (I may have missed it) of what Dees2014 thinks will happen to the 34 players (the sole focus of the CAS hearing) re sanctions/penalties/allowances/backdating.

So am hoping he will post on that (not the fallout to other parties from a guilty CAS finding on which I have seen his posts).

LH, have been a bit busy running my business over the last 48 hours. Currently in Hong Kong. Will post a reply to you in the next day or so. Not too far off BB, except I think there will be very serious repercussions for the old Essendon hierarchy from Hird's era coming out of the findings of CAS. The CAS findings will be a signal from which much else will follow including ASADA charging Hird and the rest of the former Don's hierchy and board with all manner is misrants resulting in have fines, and some receiving heavy sentences ( in the sporting sense). The players are in many ways a sideshow, albeit the most visible one. WADA and CAS are after the perpetrators, and that is Hird and his gang, at least that is what my WADA informants are telling me. They don't expect it to be pretty.

More later

Edited November 12, 2015 by Dees2014

[old dee 23,792]

This is a WADA matter and the only say the IOC have on WADA is through pressure to find certain things. That is a real possibility but hopefully WADA stick to their guns and hold up the standards we all want to see.

Not all the Olympics is full of drugs either, it is probably only half the sports that have any real issue at all.

Agree Chris but which half?

The best thing that could happen to the Olympics is for it to be disbanded and have none for four year then start a new organisation.

The current one is so corrupt it is not fixable.

[old dee 23,792]

ioc isnt the one with russia in its sights.

Ioc are a messenger...not the sheriff !!

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Am I cynical about International athletics?

Yes

[beelzebub 23,379]

Talk is cheap bb.

You watch the IOC they will go to water as usual.

They do Corruption better than anyone.

The chiefs need the Russian block votes

no such thing as Russian block votes now OD...the old USSR is gone.. Cant see Ukraine votiing for anything Russian any century soon.

Russia isnt what it once was.....just saying... they have ONE vote..and some influence.. They have plssed off a lot of people though

[Lucifers Hero 39,870]

LH, have been a bit busy running my business over the last 48 hours. Currently in Hong Kong. Will post a reply to you in the next day or so. Not too far off BB, except I think there will be very serious repercussions for the old Essendon hierarchy from Hird's era coming out of the findings of CAS, resulting in have fines, and some receiving heavy sentences ( in the sporting sense.

More later

Thanks Dees2014. I get the serious repercussions for all and sundry coming out of CAS findings.

My interest atmo is your thoughts on repercussions for the players.

Happy to wait...enjoy Hong Kong!

Edited November 12, 2015 by Lucifer's Hero

[Chris 2,892]

Agree Chris but which half?

The best thing that could happen to the Olympics is for it to be disbanded and have none for four year then start a new organisation.

The current one is so corrupt it is not fixable.

The half where there is no monetary gain from winning. Sports such as Sailing, Rowing, Fencing etc. Don't trust anything where a golden ticket out of adversity might be involved (eastern block weigh lifting for example), or good sponsorship dollars and a high profile life. I bet you can't name me one of the gold winning yachts people from the last olympics, and Australia had a few, it was our most successful sport in fact.

[old dee 23,792]

no such thing as Russian block votes now OD...the old USSR is gone.. Cant see Ukraine votiing for anything Russian any century soon.

Russia isnt what it once was.....just saying... they have ONE vote..and some influence.. They have plssed off a lot of people though

I can think of two without trying bb Belarus and Syria

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,807]

no such thing as Russian block votes now OD...the old USSR is gone.. Cant see Ukraine votiing for anything Russian any century soon.

Russia isnt what it once was.....just saying... they have ONE vote..and some influence.. They have plssed off a lot of people though

I can think of two without trying bb Belarus and Syria

And you can add a whole lot of European countries that rather like getting uninterrupted gas supplies from Russia.

Of course, if you want to fully appreciate European geopolitics, just watch Eurovision and see who votes for whom.