Grimes is heart and soul MFC.

You don't trade players like him without negative consequences.

Surely people have learnt from the Junior debacle by now.

I doubt a Captain would be traded RB simply because he is a captain.

However if you were looking at ability only I would have him towards the front of the trade for advantage queue.

For mine

Retire - Clark, Byrnes

Free agent - Frawley

Delist - Evans, Nicholson, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Barry, Clisby, Fitzpatrick (none of these players can get or hold a spot in a rubbish side) I recon we will hold onto Georgiou for depth.

I think most players are up for trade dependng on what we get offered.

The above gives us 10 spots. Niffty will be upgraded and I recon that young Max King showed enough in the pre-season to maybe get a spot. Georgiou will be retained as rookie as will Harmes. That leaves 9-10 positions to fill plus or minus any trades we are able to sort out.

I dont think any defenders other than Frawley will be let go. The defence has been good and ranks well in the comp.

We obviously need to get some depth in defence if Frawley goes includng some speed and someone who can hit a target. We will move heaven and earth for a big key forward player and will trade pretty much anyone and anything to get the right player (Patten, Cameron, Jaksche or Boyd from GWS). Kent appears to have some chance of filling the small forward role with JKH. We also need to add some depth and class in the midfeld along with Salem with decent preseason and hopefully Toumpas if he comes on.

Geeze by the looks of things we are placing a lot of hope on both Trengove and Toumpas turning things around in a big way. I believe they are both tradeable back to there home state.

They were talking about Toumpas on the couch last night - Supposedly Lloyd believed that the Toump was the stand out in that draft.....

Must be seeing something we're all not.

For mine

Retire - Clark, Byrnes

Free agent - Frawley

Delist - Evans, Nicholson, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Barry, Clisby, Fitzpatrick (none of these players can get or hold a spot in a rubbish side) I recon we will hold onto Georgiou for depth.

I think Dom Barry just signed on for another two years, while Terlich may be in strife.

just watching ch10 sport roosy has put it onto the players and basically said if you dont perform then go somewhere else.

They were talking about Toumpas on the couch last night - Supposedly Lloyd believed that the Toump was the stand out in that draft.....

Must be seeing something we're all not.

Who is we?

He was highly rated from all the usual noise makers. Teach him how to run properly and you have a player from what I have seen.

And Toumpas and Trengove have close to zero trade value.

Some of you would decimate this list (even more) with your Neeld-like trade outs of players just to get rid of them.

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by rpfc

For mine

Retire - Clark, Byrnes

Free agent - Frawley

Delist - Evans, Nicholson, Strauss, Blease, Tapscott, Barry, Clisby, Fitzpatrick (none of these players can get or hold a spot in a rubbish side) I recon we will hold onto Georgiou for depth.

I think most players are up for trade dependng on what we get offered.

The above gives us 10 spots. Niffty will be upgraded and I recon that young Max King showed enough in the pre-season to maybe get a spot. Georgiou will be retained as rookie as will Harmes. That leaves 9-10 positions to fill plus or minus any trades we are able to sort out.

I dont think any defenders other than Frawley will be let go. The defence has been good and ranks well in the comp.

We obviously need to get some depth in defence if Frawley goes includng some speed and someone who can hit a target. We will move heaven and earth for a big key forward player and will trade pretty much anyone and anything to get the right player (Patten, Cameron, Jaksche or Boyd from GWS). Kent appears to have some chance of filling the small forward role with JKH. We also need to add some depth and class in the midfeld along with Salem with decent preseason and hopefully Toumpas if he comes on.

The team is ranked 3rd in the AFL for delivery efficiency out of the back line.

Our problem lies in the delivery that is about 70m out of goal - we're ranked 18th in this area......so, is the ball going in the right hands for i50 delivery?

They were talking about Toumpas on the couch last night - Supposedly Lloyd believed that the Toump was the stand out in that draft.....

Must be seeing something we're all not.

he had some utterly dominate games in his younger years, the hips have set him back though, I reckon Roosy and Stone are the best two people to turn him into something

I've said it before, but toumpas and trenners are the last two blokes on roosys mind.

Why you ask?

We can't trade trade them as they don't have much trade value, we won't get anything worth while for them because of their recent on park performances and injury issues.

We won't delist them, because there so many guys below them - e.g. blease, strauss, terlich, mckenzie, .. the list goes on.

Our best bet for the next year or 2 is to put the work in to them and develop them.

Im quite confident they will both come along.

I have more faith in trenners because I have seen what he can do.

I don't know about toumpas and his hip surgery and what the ramifications were, but with misson and roos running the show id imagine they're on top of this and know where he's at. He wouldn't be playing at any level if there was still an issue. (well i hope not)

my gut feeling is that he's had trouble stregthening the hip muscles, lower back, hamstrings and glutes and getting them all working the way the should when running, and its potentially resulting in a poor posture when running.

Ive seen him run, and he has his hips quite low, seems to try to stretch out, but run low on his hips. It just doesn't work like that.

As i said i don't know the true story of his situation, but from observation, he looks like he needs a running coach to get those hips up so he can get more drive.

Toumpas and Trengove will be very good players.

Neither were remotely controversial draft picks at the time - both were exceptionally highly rated.

They should not been exited Neeld-style in some knee jerk way. To the contrary, they should be seen as part of our future, as I expect they are.

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by Ron Burgundy

Toumpas and Trengove will be very good players.

Neither were remotely controversial draft picks at the time - both were exceptionally highly rated.

They should not been exited Neeld-style in some knee jerk way. To the contrary, they should be seen as part of our future, as I expect they are.

agree watch Trenners play as an inside mid next year and find form most on here didn't think he was capable of

so frustrating watching a genuine inside mid being played out of position as a half forward or winger

Toumpas and Trengove will be very good players.

Neither were remotely controversial draft picks at the time - both were exceptionally highly rated.

They should not been exited Neeld-style in some knee jerk way. To the contrary, they should be seen as part of our future, as I expect they are.

Aside from their footballing abilities the other key attributes they both possess are a determination to be the best they can and to help the MFC out of this fricking mire.

Toumpas and Trengove will be very good players.

Neither were remotely controversial draft picks at the time - both were exceptionally highly rated.

They should not been exited Neeld-style in some knee jerk way. To the contrary, they should be seen as part of our future, as I expect they are.

Both are hanging by a thread! Big make or break year for both! I for one do not share your enthusiasm!

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by picket fence

Both are hanging by a thread! Big make or break year for both! I for one do not share your enthusiasm!

I feel for Trengove in particular, you wouldn't see Port playing Wines on the wing

Trengove is a genuine inside mid, his pace won't be exposed if he is inside the contest winning the ball

Both are hanging by a thread! Big make or break year for both! I for one do not share your enthusiasm!

This is just such guff. Neither Trengove nor Toumpas is going anywhere.

agree watch Trenners play as an inside mid next year and find form most on here didn't think he was capable of

so frustrating watching a genuine inside mid being played out of position as a half forward or winger

I've seen him play a few games in there SPR but mostly in a stopping role.

Can't say i've seen him do any damage going the other way while doing so though. Has looked like a fish out of water when played through there so far from what i've seen.

I'd like to believe your right. I just don't have that much faith in playing him in this role given what i've seen so far.

The team is ranked 3rd in the AFL for delivery efficiency out of the back line.

Our problem lies in the delivery that is about 70m out of goal - we're ranked 18th in this area......so, is the ball going in the right hands for i50 delivery?

These are good points Jumbo.

However, i think the questions that need to be asked are.....

1. Do we have anyone with AFL average or above average delivery skills when bringing the ball i50?

2. If the answer is yes, do the forwards (and those around them, including players pushing up from mid) have any idea how to play forward and play to the game style (mids spread away from designated leading zones or out wide of the hot spots instead running into those zones with defender in tow etc, forwards lead to those designated zones or lead back into space created by decoys, smalls run forward of drop zone to get front and square and take marks to kicks in under pressure or sweep up crumbs for snaps on goal etc) and to the strengths/weaknesses of those bringing it in?

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by Rusty Nails

Aside from their footballing abilities the other key attributes they both possess are a determination to be the best they can and to help the MFC out of this fricking mire.

I think Toump is worth a few more pre seasons. I'm not sure we should be backing players just based on their desire to be the best they can. Otherwise we probably will be holding on to the likes of McKenzie, Tappy, Blease, Fitzy, Trenners, Nicho etc for a fair while yet.

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by Rusty Nails

Grimes is heart and soul MFC.

You don't trade players like him without negative consequences.

Surely people have learnt from the Junior debacle by now.

I think it's more The Jones Boy that is the above Ron.

As much as i admire Grimes' effort....i also wouldn't put him even close to being on a par football ability wise with the likes of Jmac

I feel for Trengove in particular, you wouldn't see Port playing Wines on the wing

Trengove is a genuine inside mid, his pace won't be exposed if he is inside the contest winning the ball

I think everyone agrees he gets a bit of the ball, problem has been his turnovers due to poor decisions or poor handpasses and kicks.

I think Toump is worth a few more pre seasons. I'm not sure we should be backing players just based on their desire to be the best they can. Otherwise we probably will be holding on to the likes of McKenzie, Tappy, Blease, Fitzy, Trenners, Nicho etc for a fair while yet.

I don't think it's fair putting those two in the same category as the others you've mentioned but I see your point.

For mine, Trengove's biggest disadvantage has been his ability to repeatedly get to contests, be involved in play, and then provide spread both offensively and defensively. He can do it every now and then, but with no consistency. I'm hoping it's been his foot issue.

Toumpas just looks slow, soft, and lazy and worst of all like he can't hit a target to save himself. I have massive concerns and he's been a big disappointment.

The big advantage that both these guys have is that time is on their side and hopefully they're now being developed correctly.

Edited August 5, 201411 yr by DemonAndrew

Watch Meth Coasts last 3 games

vs Brisbane - very poor match and they looked very slow in ball movement and leg speed

vs Richmond - poor all night and very slow all around the ground

vs Adelaide certainly looked like one of the fastest teams going around

It's funny but when things aren't going your way you look really slow but when you play well move the ball quick run and carry you look a lot faster. Trengove of 2010/11 never looked slow even though he never looked like he had blistering pace

Who is we?

He was highly rated from all the usual noise makers. Teach him how to run properly and you have a player from what I have seen.

And Toumpas and Trengove have close to zero trade value.

Some of you would decimate this list (even more) with your Neeld-like trade outs of players just to get rid of them.

Spot on, rpfc. Some horrible fantasy list managers on the ole Demonland.