Casey Scorpions v Werribee

[rjay 24,688]

I was there and heard every word. There was no 'potting' of the game plan per say. He simply instructed the guys to stop f*%#ing around with it at half back & going side to side - rather that he would back those players who took it on through the middle.

In the first quarter, it did seem that backwards or sideways was the natural inclination (i.e coached into them). But every game sees changes of tactics for countless reasons...and for someone to say this was Welsh potting the Melbourne 'game plan', then that's just Absurdityville, population: one crazy Demonland poster.

So it was someone's interpretation of the Roos game plan putting words into Welsh's mouth? He didn't actually say the Roos game plan but was annoyed with them not taking the game on?

That would make more sense, I couldn't understand him still being at Casey if he said what was reported.

[Nasher 33,607]

Cant copy and past on my phone but this is from Bleasy as that from the round 1 game against essendon.

"The coach slagged the playing group for playing the 'Paul Roos game plan' high possession and maintaining the ball. It was interesting as I looked over at Jack Trengove who had a perplexed look on his face"

Direct quote from the coach please, or it's just the word of "Bleasey as that". As dependable as the interpretation of some bloke on the internet that I don't know is...

[JackVineyForPresident 310]

Is it possible that they were going side to side for the same reasons we did in the first few rounds.

No confident targets to kick to up the ground?

Melbourne get Dawes back and poof, no more side to side all day long

[Sambo06 222]

living with a Collingwood player? Yeah, you are right.

I'm Back. Song & BBO, please get a room. Don't want to listen to your crap. Can you PM each other your little loving comments and let the rest of us find out what went on at Casey today.

What chance Clisby into MFC next week? A player can only keep knocking on the door for so long unrewarded.

The Toump sounds like he had another good game too. When?

I think both these guys will need to bide there time. How good is this!

[What 18,810]

The Toump sounds like he had another good game too. When?

When he takes a game by the throat like Salem did in his last game for Casey before being promoted

Toumpas is motoring along but he needs to dominate a game or two

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

I'm Back. Song & BBO, please get a room. Don't want to listen to your crap. Can you PM each other your little loving comments and let the rest of us find out what went on at Casey today.

What chance Clisby into MFC next week? A player can only keep knocking on the door for so long unrewarded.

The Toump sounds like he had another good game too. When?

I think both these guys will need to bide there time. How good is this!

Edited May 4, 2014 by The Song Formerly Known As

[Vanilla Gorilla 204]

Is it possible that they were going side to side for the same reasons we did in the first few rounds.

No confident targets to kick to up the ground?

Melbourne get Dawes back and poof, no more side to side all day long

Bang on the money

[dee-luded 2,959]

Cant copy and past on my phone but this is from Bleasy as that from the round 1 game against essendon.

"The coach slagged the playing group for playing the 'Paul Roos game plan' high possession and maintaining the ball. It was interesting as I looked over at Jack Trengove who had a perplexed look on his face"

let it go dazzle, there are those who don't wanty it said, as it may cause concern amongst the flock !!

I've heard him say the same sort of thing to a player the other year as well, bagging the Melbourne coaches gameplan, almost word for word to what you quoted. that time was against the current coach in Neeld.

has form.

but many here want to keep a lid on these things, so we better not lift that Lid.

[jnrmac 19,944]

let it go dazzle, there are those who don't wanty it said, as it may cause concern amongst the flock !!

I've heard him say the same sort of thing to a player the other year as well, bagging the Melbourne coaches gameplan, almost word for word to what you quoted. that time was against the current coach in Neeld.

has form.

but many here want to keep a lid on these things, so we better not lift that Lid.

In case you missed it the initial comments were about ppl who who blindly what quote another poster has said and turn it in to gospel truth.

It may be true but quote from your own personal experience "I heard him say this at the 3/4 time huddle" not 'Welsh hates Roos' crap game plan and has form bagging the MFC' type of quotes because one poster says it. Pretty soon 3 or 4 posters repeat that and guess what?

You have now done a similar thing "I've heard him say the same sort of thing to a player the other year as well, bagging the Melbourne coaches gameplan, almost word for word to what you quoted. that time was against the current coach in Neeld.

has form."

When you attempt to assassinate someone's character best if you quote verbatim what you heard not repeat half truths, generalisations and now - you have added 'form'. 'Heard a similar thing against Neeld, therefore what one poster says about Welsh on Roos must be true.' And this was when 'a few years ago' - oh he has been doing it for a long time against multiple MFC coaches.

How about you give it a rest. FMD.

Edited May 4, 2014 by jnrmac

[bing181 9,153]

let it go dazzle, there are those who don't wanty it said, as it may cause concern amongst the flock !!

Weak. The old "no-one likes hearing the truth" line in another guise.

Nothing to do with it. (re)Read post above.

It's about there being some kind of veracity and accountability in what people report, even on an internet forum.

[Whispering_Jack 29,369]

Too true ... The bush telegraph is out of control. All that's been presented has been someone's interpretation of what was told at a team huddle and it's something that runs counter to much of what Welsh has said and done publicly.

My observation is that over a long period through the Daniher and Bailey years our coaches worked on an attacking game plan which was a departure from that adopted by several of the more successful clubs of the past decade. The introduction of Neeld was supposed to add a more defensive edge and this failed.

Roos is starting to get the message across to the team but we know that this requires more skill and stronger, more experienced bodies. This is exactly why developing the same game plan is a more difficult assignment at Casey than it is at Melbourne. The Scorpions have the younger Demons and, apart from Panozza most of their VFL aligned players don't have the experience or strength of AFL players. Werribee had a number of bigger bodied stronger players who eventually wore Casey down. It's been a pattern for most of the season and, at times quite frustrating to watch.

If you think it's been tough over the past few years to take the transition required to become a team that plays the modern style of football at Melbourne then it's doubly so at Casey. Of course, the club might have kept the Magner/Couch types down there for another year and this would have certainly resulted in more wins, but exactly what would that have achieved?

[Machsy 2,858]

Yep, I think one of Casey's biggest problem this season has been the exodus of experience and mature bodies, replaced mostly by kids not long out of the TAC Cup system.

Talented maybe, but only so much (none were even rookied) and it'll take them time to gain the size & experience.

Should be a long season for the Scorpions, unfortunately.

[rjay 24,688]

let it go dazzle, there are those who don't wanty it said, as it may cause concern amongst the flock !!

I've heard him say the same sort of thing to a player the other year as well, bagging the Melbourne coaches gameplan, almost word for word to what you quoted. that time was against the current coach in Neeld.

has form.

but many here want to keep a lid on these things, so we better not lift that Lid.

No one wants to keep a lid on it but would like an accurate quote not an interpretation.

[dee-luded 2,959]

In case you missed it the initial comments were about ppl who who blindly what quote another poster has said and turn it in to gospel truth.

It may be true but quote from your own personal experience "I heard him say this at the 3/4 time huddle" not 'Welsh hates Roos' crap game plan and has form bagging the MFC' type of quotes because one poster says it. Pretty soon 3 or 4 posters repeat that and guess what?

You have now done a similar thing "I've heard him say the same sort of thing to a player the other year as well, bagging the Melbourne coaches gameplan, almost word for word to what you quoted. that time was against the current coach in Neeld.

has form."

When you attempt to assassinate someone's character best if you quote verbatim what you heard not repeat half truths, generalisations and now - you have added 'form'. 'Heard a similar thing against Neeld, therefore what one poster says about Welsh on Roos must be true.' And this was when 'a few years ago' - oh he has been doing it for a long time against multiple MFC coaches.

How about you give it a rest. FMD.

I didn't right it down at the time jnrmac, & I didn't have a dictaphone with me out on the oval. when I heard it it stopped me in my tracks.

So I have told of my experience that I heard with my own ears.

If thats not good enough, then so be it. but that is what I heard !

[dee-luded 2,959]

No one wants to keep a lid on it but would like an accurate quote not an interpretation.

after 2 years, I won't quote exact words rjay as I didn't immediately write them down. I'm just an eye & ear witness. thats all it is. cross examine away, rjay.

[rjay 24,688]

after 2 years, I won't quote exact words rjay as I didn't immediately write them down. I'm just an eye & ear witness. thats all it is. cross examine away, rjay.

Ok, did he name Neeld when he made the statement about the game plan? or did he say the Melbourne game plan? or did he indicate the style of game he didn't want the players to play?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Ok, did he name Neeld when he made the statement about the game plan? or did he say the Melbourne game plan? or did he indicate the style of game he didn't want the players to play?

I think as I recall, it was the Melbourne past & current gameplan, as the implication. at that time I took it as an attack on our Melbourne-fc's ways, including that current footy dept'.

I didn't necessarily disagree with him, but was shocked at his words aloud. that it seemed a divide in our footy dept thinking.

[deanox 9,791]

I think as I recall, it was the Melbourne past & current gameplan, as the implication. at that time I took it as an attack on our Melbourne-fc's ways, including that current footy dept'.

I didn't necessarily disagree with him, but was shocked at his words aloud. that it seemed a divide in our footy dept thinking.

To clarify did he say something like:

"Stop playing that [censored] Melbourne game plan and take it up the guts"

Or did he say:

"Stop [censored] around and chipping it and kicking it around the boundary and run up the guts!"

[dee-luded 2,959]

To clarify did he say something like:

"Stop playing that [censored] Melbourne game plan and take it up the guts"

Or did he say:

"Stop [censored] around and chipping it and kicking it around the boundary and run up the guts!"

similar I think... from memory it was more like a major putdown of the Demons gamestyle, just being derogatory of Dees gamestyle, & it seemed the ways of the club, was my interpretation.

it didn't seem to have a major point to it.

I didn't work on saving it in my mind, as I was thinking more about 'why' the attitude, & surprised at the condescension... of what I perceived to be the whole footy dept & club?

.... felt like it was meant to be just a putdown of the club, for some reason ? not angry about it, but was concerning to me.

[Axis of Bob 11,361]

If it left such a big impact on you at the time, why have you only mentioned it for the first time two years later?

[Whispering_Jack 29,369]

... and from Michael O'Donnell on the melbournefc.com website -

Casey overrun by Werribee

Nice report - Mick Rocks!

Jack Viney is not alone.

Dean Kent, cited for rough conduct, will fight the charge -

Kent to fight VFL rough conduct charge

[dazzledavey36 53,384]

Dean Kent! Another tough little nut to add!

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

after 2 years, I won't quote exact words rjay as I didn't immediately write them down. I'm just an eye & ear witness. thats all it is. cross examine away, rjay.

You are just full of it.

I knew if people gave you enough rope you would hang yourself.

Welsh coached us last year. 2 years ago it was Brett Lovett.

Like you I remember someone making a post last year on this topic. Unlike you, I am not taking a memory of someone else and acting like it was mine....

[Whispering_Jack 29,369]

Match Stats:

* Dom Barry 7 disposals 5 kicks 2 handballs 1 tackles 27 Dream Team Points
* Sam Blease 19 disposals 17 kicks 2 handballs 2 marks 1 tackle 65 Dream Team Points
* Mitch Clisby 23 disposals 10 kicks 13 handballs 5 marks 1 tackle 72 Dream Team Points
* Michael Evans 1 goal 1 behind 24 disposals 12 kicks 12 handballs 1 marks 2 tackles 78 Dream Team Points
* Jack Fitzpatrick 1 goal 17 disposals 10 kicks 7 handballs 9 marks 5 tackles 12 hit outs 103 Dream Team Points
* Colin Garland 1 goal 19 disposals 11 kicks 8 handballs 6 marks 1 tackles 74 Dream Team Points
* Max Gawn 21 disposals 10 kicks 11 handballs 8 marks 3 tackles 35 hit outs 115 Dream Team Points
* Dean Kent 24 disposals 18 kicks 6 handballs 8 marks 1 tackle 88 Dream Team Points
* Jordie McKenzie 18 disposals 6 kicks 12 handballs 4 tackles 57 Dream Team Points
* Dan Nicholson 23 disposals 7 kicks 16 handballs 8 marks 1 tackle 81 Dream Team Points
* Aidan Riley 24 disposals 8 kicks 16 handballs 5 marks 5 tackles 88 Dream Team Points
* James Strauss 1 goal 1 behind 9 disposals 7 kicks 2 handballs 3 marks 1 tackle 45 Dream Team Points
* Luke Tapscott 1 behind19 disposals 7 kicks 12 handballs 2 marks 6 tackles 68 Dream Team Points
* Jimmy Toumpas 1 behind 23 disposals 14 kicks 9 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 83 Dream Team Points

[Tyson_Viney_Toumpas 269]

When was the last time we had a ruckman that does a lot around the ground like Gawn? White? 21 disposals, 8 marks & 35 hitouts. Good effort