Post match discussion - Round 6

[jaseon 5]

Pederson's transformation over the past three games has been quite extraordinary. In Round 1 or 2 people were calling for him to be dropped and ruing the 3 year contract, now he's getting 6 votes for Demonland Player of the Year. Ran hard all night and actually presents. I thought Dawes looked slower than him tonight and Pederson's speed has always been questioned, has relished the chance to play down back and even though he played forward some of tonight the increase in confidence seems to have carried over.

After a quiet game last week Dunn was fantastic tonight. Has really turned a corner since Roos came on board, completely different player from 2-3 years ago.

Vince had an impact tonight, he has been very quiet since Round 1 and it was great to see him getting some ball again.

As people have mentioned Watts and Howe were very poor tonight, Frawley was down on form too. Watching him try and mark sometimes I felt like he was being too defensive, wrestling with his man rather than trying to throw his weight around and take a mark.

The problem tonight for me was our forward line and a number of costly turnovers. Our hand-balling is atrocious, either a high, floaty handball which is easily intercepted or contested, or we handball 3 metres to a player who is then gang tackled. Tom McDonalds handball to Viney in the defensive 50 was a massive example of this.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

Good on him.

If Howe feels hard done by, he has no idea what is going on around him. Jogging from contest to contest is totally unacceptable. Not a single second effort from him all night.

He did take a "hanger" though so all in all was a good game from him.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I just saw the replay of the Georgiou hit on Franklin, he was clearly trying to hit Franklin's hands away so would be a little unlucky to get weeks.

[dee-luded 2,959]

We need to worry about becoming a good footy side, not pleasing the theatre-goers. Roos is instilling the fundamentals into this team, something we have lacked since Northey. It doesn't look pretty at the moment but the foundation is being laid for the future, no point pining for the days of free-flowing bruise-free footy, we've been there done that. We can look good doing that, can even get to a GF (2000) but would never win one.

exactly.

workrate, & responsible footy; with break away footy after we crack the opposition.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

Frustrating to see Terlich and Watts out there. One has a crack but f**ks it up terribly, the other barely raises a sweat or makes an impact but has great foot skills. Arghhhhh.........

Great foot skills yet you'd never know because he always handballs backwards.

[buck_nekkid 6,082]

We just seemed to rush when we needed to take time, and take too much time when we needed to hurry. Our ability to spread has improved, but we don't have enough quick ball movement, or put it advantage-side often enough.

Jack Watts had the best seat in the house. He was 3m from the action all night. Worst on ground by a country mile. Seems to have zero confidence, which is impacting everything. Suggest a good few weeks at Casey to rediscover some form.

Salem - what a beauty!

Why is mid strength beer more expensive than heavy? When we have to by the watered down muck at night games, we have to pay more. What a rip off!

[old dee 24,028]

Here is my public apology to Pedersen.

I think he has earned his spot every week this year and tonight was good in the first half and got tired as the game wore on.

However he was still throwing himself in at the end and deserves his spot.

A long way better than last year.

[titan_uranus 25,209]

He did take a "hanger" though so all in all was a good game from him.

It does appear that's all he cares about some times.

I'm sick of it, to be honest.

I just saw the replay of the Georgiou hit on Franklin, he was clearly trying to hit Franklin's hands away so would be a little unlucky to get weeks.

Agreed - I'll be livid if he gets anything for it. Hardly anything in it, and a total accident.

[Buzzy 992]

Pederson's transformation over the past three games has been quite extraordinary. In Round 1 or 2 people were calling for him to be dropped and ruing the 3 year contract, now he's getting 6 votes for Demonland Player of the Year. Ran hard all night and actually presents. I thought Dawes looked slower than him tonight and Pederson's speed has always been questioned, has relished the chance to play down back and even though he played forward some of tonight the increase in confidence seems to have carried over.

After a quiet game last week Dunn was fantastic tonight. Has really turned a corner since Roos came on board, completely different player from 2-3 years ago.

Vince had an impact tonight, he has been very quiet since Round 1 and it was great to see him getting some ball again.

As people have mentioned Watts and Howe were very poor tonight, Frawley was down on form too. Watching him try and mark sometimes I felt like he was being too defensive, wrestling with his man rather than trying to throw his weight around and take a mark.

The problem tonight for me was our forward line and a number of costly turnovers. Our hand-balling is atrocious, either a high, floaty handball which is easily intercepted or contested, or we handball 3 metres to a player who is then gang tackled. Tom McDonalds handball to Viney in the defensive 50 was a massive example of this.

Agree re Frawley - I'd love to see Garland come in as a forward and replace Chip in that position. Colin is a more natural mark and better shot for goal IMO.

Chip is good going for chest marks around the ground but awkward inside 50.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Good on him.

If Howe feels hard done by, he has no idea what is going on around him. Jogging from contest to contest is totally unacceptable. Not a single second effort from him all night.

we left Howe up on the full forwardline for far too long just jumping at the ball. spoiled him & now he's lost the desire for hard work in the game.

this is why I called for Howe to be played off the half-backline early last year, to get him working again. If he doesn't want to work hard, we may as well trade him now.

[3Dee 1,153]

How frustrating was that holding the ball on Viney in the first quarter!

[titan_uranus 25,209]

we left Howe up on the full forwardline for far too long just jumping at the ball. spoiled him & now he's lost the desire for hard work in the game.

this is why I called for Howe to be played off the half-backline early last year, to get him working again. If he doesn't want to work hard, we may as well trade him now.

Cannot agree. There are plenty of players who we've done no favours for, but Howe is not one of them. We played him forward where he wants to play, clearly. He didn't get involved enough, so we tried running him through the middle, and this year off half back. He's getting even less involved.

He does not try hard enough. He does not understand how hard you need to run, forwards and backwards. He wants to take screamers too often. He can't kick straight at goal. He doesn't put in second efforts.

I have no sympathy at all.

[3Dee 1,153]

Agree re Frawley - I'd love to see Garland come in as a forward and replace Chip in that position. Colin is a more natural mark and better shot for goal IMO.

Chip is good going for chest marks around the ground but awkward inside 50.

Chip has a good lead

[rjay 25,345]

Agree re Frawley - I'd love to see Garland come in as a forward and replace Chip in that position. Colin is a more natural mark and better shot for goal IMO.

Chip is good going for chest marks around the ground but awkward inside 50.

I think I've said this before but I reckon Roos knows Frawley is gone so he's building a back line without him. Just a hunch no inside info.

[jaseon 5]

Frustrating to see Terlich and Watts out there. One has a crack but f**ks it up terribly, the other barely raises a sweat or makes an impact but has great foot skills. Arghhhhh.........

Terlich had one terrible kick that I can remember but other than that I thought he was quite good. Took quite a few intercept marks and was reasonable in defense.

[rjay 25,345]

How frustrating was that holding the ball on Viney in the first quarter!

Very!

[binman 44,683]

Anyone who doesn't get home and automatically delete the game from their PVR/IQ fast forward to 3/4 time and have a look at Roos' frustration/inability to fathom the ineptitude of Watts & Howe - and then have a look at the players reactions. Watts looks like he wants to be anywhere except playing a game of footy

I watched that through my binos at the ground. He gave Watts a fair spray it looked like, pointing this way and that and walked off shaking his head. As you say Watts looked as if he wanted the earth to swallow him up. Jetta was injured so he couldn't sub Watts off. He did the next best thing and started him on the bench and didn't put him back on for 7 minutes.

Seriously Viney and JKK embarrassed Watts with the difference in intensity. I am positive Roos will drop him and will not pick him again until he radically changes his approach. I'm not sure he will be able to.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

Terlich had one terrible kick that I can remember but other than that I thought he was quite good. Took quite a few intercept marks and was reasonable in defense.

Had a couple of turnovers which I saw. Could have manned up better - and cost 1 goal (McGlin [however its spelt]) and 1 assist (Goodes)

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

How frustrating was that holding the ball on Viney in the first quarter!

Worst decision ever - until a few minutes later when they paid one against Jetta.

[titan_uranus 25,209]

Had a couple of turnovers which I saw. Could have manned up better - and cost 1 goal (McGlin [however its spelt]) and 1 assist (Goodes)

Had at least two direct turnovers IIRC. One in the first quarter was from a mark and thus was under no pressure at all, which is where Terlich stands out.

We make a lot of mistakes and give up way too many turnovers, but it's the turnovers that come from players under no pressure that kill us the most, and Terlich every week gives us one or two of those.

[dee-luded 2,959]

And what really shytes me is these two have the skills that the side is crying out for. We have a dozen hard working journeymen trying to win the ball, if only these two were there to receive it more often. It seems to me Watts is avoiding engagement. His confidence must be shot to pieces. Howe needs a run on the ball to get him involved

its our nemesis viscount, talented players who refuse to work until they feel like it. & only do what they deem worthy. its been happening since the late 90's. recently its just much worse.

Roos will weed the garden.

[Return to Glory 8,477]

I probably think Its time to trade Jack Watts. Too many times Ive read and observed that he appears to have lost confidence to the point where I don't really care. The gap between his best and his worst is simply extraordinary and, for the most part his games lie closer to the latter. I now think we have to move beyond Jack.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Terlich had one terrible kick that I can remember but other than that I thought he was quite good. Took quite a few intercept marks and was reasonable in defense.

I thought Terlich was terrible tonight and it seemed to me that every time he was involved the ball was turned over.

He is a liability and just doesn't have the skill at this level.

As was said if he had the skill of Watts he'd be a beauty.

[rjay 25,345]

Had at least two direct turnovers IIRC. One in the first quarter was from a mark and thus was under no pressure at all, which is where Terlich stands out.

We make a lot of mistakes and give up way too many turnovers, but it's the turnovers that come from players under no pressure that kill us the most, and Terlich every week gives us one or two of those.

It's a pity really because you can't doubt his endeavour. You can also see why he was such a good player at SANFL level. He just seems to have these brain fades.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Wasn't exactly a spray (Terlich against GWS-style) but he pulled them aside and had some not-so-quiet words to both of them. He looked exasperated and just didn't know what else to say. He was pointing to each of them then a spot on the flanks so I assume it's either where they had each stuffed up/failed to go when it was their turn or where they were meant to be positioned and weren't.

Wanted Roos to smash that drink bottle Jack was drinking from as Roos spoke out of his hands.

That he couldn't even give his coach some intensity but look away and have a drink disgusted me