Neeld made a lot of mistakes, but this wasn't one of them

[TGR 1,367]

Rono if you really believe this you've lost it.

I can't be stuffed googling you anymore; so tell me "Who did you pick for captain then....at the time?" Pretty sure I picked JT.

Plenty out there that poo on the decision; but I hardly hear their logical choice of captain at THE time.

[Courtney_Fish 183]

Having considered this issue for a while I am on the side of those who feel they were too young.

To be a captain at such an early age you have to be nearly a superstar on the ground first and have no issues about your own game, so that you can help and rally others. When you are not playing well or injured and very young, the task IMO is too much, as it was in this case.

I think both boys didn't play to their ability and Captaincy was one of the factors. That then affects the whole team.

Very well put.

[TGR 1,367]

Very well put.

Fair dinkum, you guys are like the drunk SEN phone caller saying "he shoulda been in the all-Australian". Problem is he has mentioned 35 names.

Tell me Redleg; tell me Courtney, who the hell would have you picked then?

It is easy to say "they were too young"...."it wrecked their careers"...."Neeld was bonkers"....

The hard thing is to actually back it up with who you thought should have got the gig instead.

Trengove and Grimes were the best of a bad lot.

[P-man 13,366]

Fair dinkum, you guys are like the drunk SEN phone caller saying "he shoulda been in the all-Australian". Problem is he has mentioned 35 names.

Tell me Redleg; tell me Courtney, who the hell would have you picked then?

It is easy to say "they were too young"...."it wrecked their careers"...."Neeld was bonkers"....

The hard thing is to actually back it up with who you thought should have got the gig instead.

Trengove and Grimes were the best of a bad lot.

Alternatives have been pointed out to you several times.

Grimes on his own would've been better than saddling Trengove with co captain duties.

Despite your insistence that Jones is an "introvert" (I've seen little evidence of this), he would've made a better choice. Frawley or Garland would've been better choices.

It was a crap decision. You stamping your feet won't change people's opinions on that, and reflecting on it further is pointless. It's already history.

[Slartibartfast 16,937]

I can't be stuffed googling you anymore; so tell me "Who did you pick for captain then....at the time?" Pretty sure I picked JT.

Plenty out there that poo on the decision; but I hardly hear their logical choice of captain at THE time.

Green to continue as I didn't want to burden T&G with the responsibility. T particularly has suffered having to try and implement a poor coaches philosophies on a group of burdened players.

My theory was that while Grren wasn't a good captain the development of T&G were much higher priorities and there were no good options. Your boy Roos is one of a couple of people who could encourage Trengove to give up the captaincy and feel ok about it.

It's a shame what's happened to Trenners as he's a wonderful kid, but kid he was and what we did to him was disgusting. We did equally terrible things to Watts too. Let's hope Roos can save them.

All power to Trenners, one of my favourites.

[dees64 104]

COACHING THE MFC!

[Whispering_Jack 29,313]

Green to continue as I didn't want to burden T&G with the responsibility. T particularly has suffered having to try and implement a poor coaches philosophies on a group of burdened players.

My theory was that while Grren wasn't a good captain the development of T&G were much higher priorities and there were no good options. Your boy Roos is one of a couple of people who could encourage Trengove to give up the captaincy and feel ok about it.

It's a shame what's happened to Trenners as he's a wonderful kid, but kid he was and what we did to him was disgusting. We did equally terrible things to Watts too. Let's hope Roos can save them.

All power to Trenners, one of my favourites.

Not sure that making a young player co-captain of your club can rightfully be described as "disgusting". I don't believe at the time that the depth of the problems with the list and Neeld's inability to deal with them were understood. Many years ago, North Melbourne gave the honour to David Dench at a young age and it worked. I don't think Dench was affected by injury as JT was during his brief tenure as captain which IMO had more to do with his form worries than the leadership. As an individual he has nevertheless impressed me with the way he's handled himself during those difficult times with class, style and maturity. I think the experience will ultimately be of enormous benefit to him and I look forward to him blossoming under Roos in the future.

I don't believe Green as captain post 186 was a viable option. He was a great player and a nice bloke but he the mantle of captaincy was too much for him in what was probably the worst of circumstances for a team leader.

[TGR 1,367]

The fact that the Roos-Jackson duo appointed Grimes co-captain, and the chronically injured Trengove in the LG, in many ways, vindicates the Neeld decision a couple of years ago.

I strongly disagree with Nathan Jones as captain, but the duo have runs on the board, and so I'll let it be for now.

Interesting that Brock McLean makes Carlton's LG BTW.

[binman 42,105]

The fact that the Roos-Jackson duo appointed Grimes co-captain, and the chronically injured Trengove in the LG, in many ways, vindicates the Neeld decision a couple of years ago.

I strongly disagree with Nathan Jones as captain, but the duo have runs on the board, and so I'll let it be for now.

Interesting that Brock McLean makes Carlton's LG BTW.

Obviously you have your reasons for strongly disagreeing with the appointment of Jones however it was always going to happen given what he brings to the table (passion, a good character, an elite trainer, playing well in losing teams, on field leadership, hard at it style, consistency of performance - as evidenced by back to back blueys - and most of all the seeming universal repsect for him by the footy world and his peers) meshes so closely with the values and attributes that Roos has made clear are fundamental to his philosophy on football.

Always going to happen and would have sent a strange message if it didn't. It is worth noting that Roos made it 100% clear that whilst the players voted for the LG he chose the captains.

[jazza 1,323]

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to get the name jack watts written again oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sorry

[Slartibartfast 16,937]

The fact that the Roos-Jackson duo appointed Grimes co-captain, and the chronically injured Trengove in the LG, in many ways, vindicates the Neeld decision a couple of years ago.

It doesn't actually. Timing is everything and Neeld (and I strongly suspect Schwab's) timing on Trengove in particular was awful.

[John Crow Batty 8,812]

Not sure that making a young player co-captain of your club can rightfully be described as "disgusting". I don't believe at the time that the depth of the problems with the list and Neeld's inability to deal with them were understood. Many years ago, North Melbourne gave the honour to David Dench at a young age and it worked. I don't think Dench was affected by injury as JT was during his brief tenure as captain which IMO had more to do with his form worries than the leadership. As an individual he has nevertheless impressed me with the way he's handled himself during those difficult times with class, style and maturity. I think the experience will ultimately be of enormous benefit to him and I look forward to him blossoming under Roos in the future.

I don't believe Green as captain post 186 was a viable option. He was a great player and a nice bloke but he the mantle of captaincy was too much for him in what was probably the worst of circumstances for a team leader.

How can you compare compare Dench with Trengove? Dench aside from loads of talent was confident and cocksure and all dash in his approach. Trengove was like a startled rabbit in front of the headlights. Totally different character and maturity for the job.

[Whispering_Jack 29,313]

How can you compare compare Dench with Trengove? Dench aside from loads of talent was confident and cocksure and all dash in his approach. Trengove was like a startled rabbit in front of the headlights. Totally different character and maturity for the job.

I wasn't comparing. I was addressing the issue of appointing a captain at a young age.

I disagree with your assessment of Trengove's maturity - I don't believe that was the problem. The difference was more a factor of other things such as the coaching and support structures around each of the individual captains. And don't discount Trengove as a captain again at some time in the future. He has all the makings and the inventive to push for the main leadership role at some time in the future.

[H_T 3,036]

Amazing how many use hindsight...and add a little icing on.

If you were accountable enough you'd state who you thought at the time.

I thought Grimes and Trengove at the time because they were the best alternatives at the time of a bad lot. And I put Green in that camp at that particular time after that particular season and what he had shown.

What transpired after Neeld had taken the job - performance wise and list changes - in his 1.3 seasons as coach - even blind freddy could use hindsight and say that it would have been more prudent in holding onto Green instead of taking a risk and putting two young guns at the coalface - now knowing what we know and what had transpired!

That said, I think both Trengove and Grimes will be better footballers and leaders in their own right as a result.

Good topic TGR.

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Will the Neeld faithful never STOP!

He gone so get over it.

[old dee 23,506]

Will the Neeld faithful never STOP!

He gone so get over it.

There is one left?

[DemonFrog 1,347]

There is one left?

No there a infestation of them here.

[rpfc 28,070]

No there a infestation of them here.

An infestation of none?

[Machsy 2,858]

Will the Neeld faithful never STOP!

He gone so get over it.

Maybe we should have a poll?

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Maybe we should have a poll?

Great idea

[KingDingAling 3,747]

Was a big mistake to appoint Trengove captain.

All wise football heads were vocal about this and it panned out as such.

Nathan Jones plays the way MFC need to play, people might say Jones is an introvert - but he leads by example.

Jones is desperate, determined, tough and disciplined, he just gets it done, that is what we need, to get it done, instead of talking about it.

Edited January 31, 2014 by KingDingAling

[skills32 229]

Well if previous experience is any thing to go by then these two wil be culled before their use by dates.

Edited January 31, 2014 by skills32

[darkhorse72 1,872]

They were the best options from captain from what I know. Age is not an issue, Sticks kernihan was a very young captain and his appointment was very surprising at the time. The difference is the culture across the whole club to support the "young" captains did not exist.

[John Crow Batty 8,812]

Just like the last days of the Third Reich when only the Hitler Youth and a smattering of foreign fighters were left to defend the bunker. How bad a club were we then? Completey gutted and souless. The mind boggles to why there are some that still find good words for the incompetants that almost led us to our ruination.

[The Great Pretender 456]

Yes. We were completely gutted and soulless at 186 and the club took action to rectify the damage. That action involved taking risk and in the end, if failed but only a fool would fail to recognise that it was a genuine attempt to redress the problem. You want the truth?

Go to Nutbean's post # 21.

And for those wearing the rose coloured glasses about our situation now, you should recognise the fact that the club is also taking risks now with a high profile, highly paid coach and a policy of buying recycled players to shore up our pathetic midfield which was long ago considered third world and couldn't be fixed by either Bailey or Neeld.

Like most, I have faith in PJ and Roos but most of us had faith last year and it all went belly up so don't presume anything just yet.