Liam Jurrah's attempt at a comeback

[Whispering_Jack 27,986]

I think we've been through all the argy bargy about Liam, his rise and fall and his troubles over the past two years.

The bloke's just trying to pick up the pieces and get his life in order. I understand he's been cleared to play his first game with the Tiwi tomorrow.

Former Melbourne forward Liam Jurrah set to reunite with Austin Wonaeamirri at Tiwi Bombers

Why don't we just wish him well in that and leave him be?

I'll be looking for the results and supporting him with the hope that he and his community can all find some peace and contentment.

[Deestroy All 14,261]

The guy bashed a woman. And half of you wish him all the best? What a joke.

Maybe I'm just ignorant and bashing women if perfectly fine in Liam's culture, in which case I sincerely apologise.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

The guy bashed a woman. And half of you wish him all the best? What a joke.

Maybe I'm just ignorant and bashing women if perfectly fine in Liam's culture, in which case I sincerely apologise.

Wishing people well is the opposite of wishing people ill.

You don't need to approve of someone's crimes or lifestyle to wish someone well. Not sure where in WJ's post you got the message that those actions were perfectly fine.

I've known a few indigenous men who have been ratbags in thier younger days to then become good elders and leaders in thier later years trying to steer young blokes in the right direction.

The hate has to stop somewhere.

[Deestroy All 14,261]

Wishing people well is the opposite of wishing people ill.

You don't need to approve of someone's crimes or lifestyle to wish someone well.

I've known a few indigenous men who have been ratbags in thier younger days to then become good elders and leaders in thier later years trying to steer young blokes in the right direction.

The hate has to stop somewhere.

I don't wish him ill, I don't wish him well either, I'm in the middle.

I wish the women around him well, and hope they stay safe.

Usually I'd totally agree with the sentiments of your post, but blokes that hit women are cowards and deserve all they get. And people seeing past that because he wore our jumper for 5 minutes shits me to tears.

[ThreeOneSix 953]

Its unfortunate that this rascist bigot is still allowed on this site. Here is a snapshot of his best form:

Can this vile turd please be banned.

Why? I was spot on..

Jurrah went on to drink drive after that, amongst a raft of other criminal offenses.

Demonland was singing his praises before that, I was proven to be 110% correct, not that it's about that.

But I love the MFC and I do not want to see it be brought down by sociopathic individuals like Jurrah - he done enough damage.

Once again, what you forget to highlight Torpedo, are the victims! Jurrah was lucky to of not killed anyone drink driving, lucky to of not killed his cousin.

I could go on and on, but it's irrelevant now - as is Jurrah.

[mjt 640]

Spoke to liams cousin Darren Talbot and he mentioned that Liam two Mentors in Bailey and Stynes were the big reasons he was doing so well with his life and football. After they left he was really shattered and then Neeldy came in he had absolutely no time for Liam or his issues and family.

Darren had to fly down numerous times to be with Liam and every time he approached Neeld, he found him to be very unapproachable and cold.

He was a good communicator that Neeld.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

I don't wish him ill, I don't wish him well either, I'm in the middle.

I wish the women around him well, and hope they stay safe.

Usually I'd totally agree with the sentiments of your post, but blokes that hit women are cowards and deserve all they get. And people seeing past that because he wore our jumper for 5 minutes shits me to tears.

Judge, jury and executioner, got it. I must have less understanding of the circumstances than you do, I have no idea what happened.

What if Jurrah turned it around and started giving lectures to indigenous men about domestic violence? Would you wish him well then?

I don't care that he played for Melbourne by the way.

Edited November 9, 2013 by jabberwocky

[Demonjnr 0]

Tiwi Bomber Jurrah aims to kickstart comeback

Hopefully, this will be the start of Liam's regeneration. Last year, ABC1 replayed NTFL games at some ungodly hour at night in the middle of the week. Are they doing that this year?

Happy to see him play again even in a bombers jumper.

what he did was unacceptable he shouldnt be allowed back in the AFL

[Demonjnr 0]

The guy bashed a woman. And half of you wish him all the best? What a joke.

Maybe I'm just ignorant and bashing women if perfectly fine in Liam's culture, in which case I sincerely apologise.

Agreed he should not be allowed back in the AFL, because what he did is illegal

[Tatu 416]

Wishing people well is the opposite of wishing people ill.

You don't need to approve of someone's crimes or lifestyle to wish someone well. Not sure where in WJ's post you got the message that those actions were perfectly fine.

I've known a few indigenous men who have been ratbags in thier younger days to then become good elders and leaders in thier later years trying to steer young blokes in the right direction.

The hate has to stop somewhere.

to bad there was no elders, to steer Liam in the right direction... When he needed them too...

[Demonjnr 0]

I don't wish him ill, I don't wish him well either, I'm in the middle.

I wish the women around him well, and hope they stay safe.

Usually I'd totally agree with the sentiments of your post, but blokes that hit women are cowards and deserve all they get. And people seeing past that because he wore our jumper for 5 minutes shits me to tears.

What he did was unacceptable no one should be allowed back in the AFL after doing what he did

[mjt 640]

Agreed he should not be allowed back in the AFL, because what he did is illegal

Do the crime do the time, Liam's done that and can strive for whatever he pleases.

[Deestroy All 14,261]

Judge, jury and executioner, got it. I must have less understanding of the circumstances than you do, I have no idea what happened.

What if Jurrah turned it around and started giving lectures to indigenous men about domestic violence? Would you wish him well then?

I don't care that he played for Melbourne by the way.

Not wishing him well makes me an executioner? Cool...

As for the judge, jury and circumstances, a woman threw a rock at his car and Jurrah and another thug beat the [censored] out of her and were found guilty.

What if he bashed your mother, would you wish him well?

[Dees2014 2,377]

I would love to see him back, and by the sounds of it DD36 all he needs is a mentor in the AFL and Roosy could provide that.

He is a tall forward who plays like a small forward and a tall, a very exciting player.

If he can pull his head in (which at the tiwi bombers, i think he will) we could pick him up as a rookie.

Mate I have been giving compassion for the last half century and we are now way further done the mine than we were 50 years ago.

It does not look like it is working to me.

I have no understanding of remote area people's problems

but I known intimately two families in Melbourne with drug and gambling problems.

Compassion and understanding seems to have had bugger all success in these cases.

Hope he turns it around and gets back in the afl, but it won't be at the dees.. We already have a bloke who jumps over where jurrah used to jump too.. And now we have 3 monster forwards.. I loved watchin him as much as the next person.. But sometimes you only get one opportunity.. Sorry pal, if you were fair dinkum you wouldn't of put yourself in that position..

At his best and fully fit Liam had a good engine and as others have said on here he could play tall or small, and was very good on the ground. He therefore would be very good on the wing or at half forward. If it is true he kept his life together under Stynes and Bailey ( and Bailey certainly used him very effectively) he is just the sort of "project" Roos is very good at managing.

I reckon he is worth a go as a rookie, but only under strict guidelines. Maybe we should be suggesting the AFL a special rookie catagory for such cases eg have him on our list like Hogan was last year, but not under the salary cap, but eligable to be upgraded to the full list should his form and behavior warrant it.

If it works we should also have another look at Wonna, also a player of immense talent, which has been wasted.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Dees2014

[jabberwocky 2,301]

What if he bashed your mother, would you wish him well?

He didnt, but my mother is a plucky little Maltese woman and she would give him a run for his money. Then she probably would pray that he would come to his senses knowing her.

But then my old lady wouldn't have bashed his girlfriend either, if that actually happened as reported.

If he was about to hurt any woman and I was there I would use whatever force necessary to stop it.

If he came to me some time later and apologised I would wish him well and hope that he meant it.

Perhaps I think differently.

[robbiefrom13 877]

what he did was unacceptable he shouldnt be allowed back in the AFL

you'd have some kind of a clean-out, then, if you turfed every player who did something "unacceptable"...

(odd, though, that the Courts that dealt with his crimes have him walking around free, his "debt paid". You'd know better that the Courts though, of course.)

[robbiefrom13 877]

Agreed he should not be allowed back in the AFL, because what he did is illegal

oh. anything illegal and you're out, now? ye gods

[MO FINE 146]

Agreed he should not be allowed back in the AFL, because what he did is illegal

Andrew Krakouer did time in jail and was allowed to play when they let him out.

Driving @ 67km in a 60k area is illegal.

Yikes!

[bing181 8,167]

...blokes that hit women are cowards and deserve all they get.

Jurrah did get what he deserved, and has served his penalty.

While he was in gaol, a few Melbourne players went up to Alice Springs to visit him. In other words, to support him. Wrong in your opinion?

[Deestroy All 14,261]

Jurrah did get what he deserved, and has served his penalty.

While he was in gaol, a few Melbourne players went up to Alice Springs to visit him. In other words, to support him. Wrong in your opinion?

I wouldn't say it's wrong, they're his mates.

I wouldn't visit my mate in prison if he belted a woman, that's just me.

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

to bad there was no elders, to steer Liam in the right direction... When he needed them too...

The sad thing is that most of the elders are damaged people also and perhaps incapable of providing leadership and guidance. May take generations to right things.

Edited November 9, 2013 by america de cali

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

Andrew Krakouer did time in jail and was allowed to play when they let him out.

Driving @ 67km in a 60k area is illegal.

Yikes!

Technically speaking, driving 61 kmph in a 60 zone is illegal.

Don't know if I'd put that in the same category as a serious assault charge though.

[daisycutter 28,559]

Andrew Krakouer did time in jail and was allowed to play when they let him out.

Driving @ 67km in a 60k area is illegal.

Yikes!

but it's not a criminal offense - poor comparison

[DemonFrog 1,347]

Great he is getting back in to football

But we would be silly to have him back

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

In response to Daisycutter's reply.

I don't want an argument. I got angry at all these big shot lawyers etc, who pulled out all stops to get him off (for their own aggrandisement ) then left him high and dry so that he could step on the next turd in his path. It was a cynical cause célèbre case of the lowest order. He should have been tried with his co-accused and justice metered out fairly and evenly. The same goes for the plaintiffs in the case. They were made to look like a bunch of blithering idiots further debasing the community. The whole saga has ruined any attempt to reconciliation with his community and made it a virtual impossibility.

Edited November 9, 2013 by america de cali