anyone know who the minister is and who he barracks for

surely an asada investigation is supposed to be, and seen to be, politics free

possibly a feeind of this one >>>

the one on the Left

Its not over yet DL

I'm glad the docs in the clear, he tried to clean things up & didn't like it in the first place.

but hird,,, pfft. once a favorite of mine, know an absolute Disgrace.

I'm glad the docs in the clear, he tried to clean things up & didn't like it in the first place.

but hird,,, pfft. once a favorite of mine, know an absolute Disgrace.

dr is in clear (at the moment) afl did not want this to end up in open court and EFC would not have wanted Danks questioned in court either.

the answer to a lot of the questions is Dank who has less than been forthcoming . IF this story comes to fruition than watch this space

Sports scientist Stephen Dank may face court grilling in legal case brought by ex Cronulla Sharks NRL players

STEPHEN Dank could soon be compelled to take the witness stand and face interrogation over Cronullas controversial 2011 supplement program.

A NSW District Court registrar has this morning granted permission for two ex-Sharks players, Isaac Gordon and Josh Cordoba, to make an application for the sports scientist to appear for examination.

The pair commenced legal proceedings against their old club last year, claiming they both suffered damage as a result of being exposed to the 11-week program of injections, creams and tablets three seasons ago.

If Dank has to give evidence under oath the truth should come out in Cronulla situation. Perjury in legal matters can lead to jail (see marcus enfield who went to jail for giving a false stat dec,nominated a dead american as a driver to avoid a speeding fine,) A civil case by a former Essendon player who sees a successful win by an ex Cronulla player and getting Dank on the stand would blow this matter wide open.

I'm glad the docs in the clear, he tried to clean things up & didn't like it in the first place.

but hird,,, pfft. once a favorite of mine, know an absolute Disgrace.

The Doctor turned a blind eye to what was going on. His failure to pursue his concerns or resign on the club's refusal to address is IMO professionally negligent.

He has been asleep at the wheel. Appalling.

The Doctor turned a blind eye to what was going on. His failure to pursue his concerns or resign on the club's refusal to address is IMO professionally negligent.

He has been asleep at the wheel. Appalling.

Simply for the doctor not to know and okay every substance administered to the players by the club is appalling imo, not sure if that is the fault of the doctor or the club or both but it's a serious breakdown in ethical practice either way.

dr is in clear (at the moment) afl did not want this to end up in open court and EFC would not have wanted Danks questioned in court either.

the answer to a lot of the questions is Dank who has less than been forthcoming . IF this story comes to fruition than watch this space

Sports scientist Stephen Dank may face court grilling in legal case brought by ex Cronulla Sharks NRL players

If Dank has to give evidence under oath the truth should come out in Cronulla situation. Perjury in legal matters can lead to jail (see marcus enfield who went to jail for giving a false stat dec,nominated a dead american as a driver to avoid a speeding fine,) A civil case by a former Essendon player who sees a successful win by an ex Cronulla player and getting Dank on the stand would blow this matter wide open.

The value of any information Danks can give is if it can be backed up by reliable records on his possession (if they exist) or it corroborates evidence the Court or ASADA has.

His statements while causing a media stir will not be worth much if he can not substantiate them with proof. And perjury relies on statements made under oath being proven false. And that requires more than conflicting statements by two parties.

I can't civil cases being launched by an Essendon player unless it can be actually established what the player took.

And I would not think it is in Danks interest to be forthcoming and gratuitous with information.

The value of any information Danks can give is if it can be backed up by reliable records on his possession (if they exist) or it corroborates evidence the Court or ASADA has.

His statements while causing a media stir will not be worth much if he can not substantiate them with proof. And perjury relies on statements made under oath being proven false. And that requires more than conflicting statements by two parties.

I can't civil cases being launched by an Essendon player unless it can be actually established what the player took.

And I would not think it is in Danks interest to be forthcoming and gratuitous with information.

Me neither!

Simply for the doctor not to know and okay every substance administered to the players by the club is appalling imo, not sure if that is the fault of the doctor or the club or both but it's a serious breakdown in ethical practice either way.

I think Doc Reid's substantiates that good doctor was fully aware of the serious ramifications of observed practices.

Allegedly the good doctors letter got to Essendon CEO Ian Robson.

Robson was sacked because all this happened on his watch. And the good doctor.....?

Reid had tough choices... Escalate serious issue or resign. He squibbed on both fronts.

The Doctor turned a blind eye to what was going on. His failure to pursue his concerns or resign on the club's refusal to address is IMO professionally negligent.

He has been asleep at the wheel. Appalling.

He was in the room when Nathan Lovett-Murray was injected on the Gold Coast... I cannot believe the line about Reid's diminishing power when Reid was part of overseeing the injections.

"Highlighting the diminished power of veteran club doctor Bruce Reid at the time, Lovett-Murray said Reid had told him on at least two occasions the injections would be useless. He said Dank and Reid were in the room when he was injected."

I put my trust in Stephen Dank, retired Bomber Nathan Lovett-Murray says

He was in the room when Nathan Lovett-Murray was injected on the Gold Coast... I cannot believe the line about Reid's diminishing power when Reid was part of overseeing the injections.

"Highlighting the diminished power of veteran club doctor Bruce Reid at the time, Lovett-Murray said Reid had told him on at least two occasions the injections would be useless. He said Dank and Reid were in the room when he was injected."

I put my trust in Stephen Dank, retired Bomber Nathan Lovett-Murray says

I have felt a bit sorry for Dr Reid - he appeared to be in a bit of the meat in a sandwich situation - but if he was actually there and felt that players were being exposed to, at best useless, and at worst ??? injections then I am surprised that AHPRA hasn't shown an interest (may have of course, and cleared him).

I realized last night listening to the Essendrug game on radio just how much i am going to despise this team forever more....

It looks like things are about to start happening... and it 'aint looking good for Essendon

Confusion over the status of anti-obesity drug AOD-9604 has also caused major embarrassment to ASADA.

The world anti-doping body is adamant it is banned, but ASADA officers have been accused of telling Essendon it was permitted for use in 2012.

So people have accused ASADA of causing confusion when in fact they have only said it is banned, and that is a cause of major embarrassment?

Why would they be embarrassed about something they haven't done?

:huh:

Also, it looks as if ASADA has done everything by the book. delloite (spelling?) also said that ASADA have not leaked.

if they keep doing everything by the book, itll be bye bye Jab and Essendon, surely.

ASADA probe finalised minus interview with sports scientist Stephen Dank

curious and curiouser

Very curious - the Age reporting it this way - ASADA has completed its probe into the AFL and the NRL, says chief executive.

Although I put forward my theory in this thread a while ago that a circumstantial case could be mounted against Essendon players without Dank's direct evidence I still find it extraordinary that ASADA hasn't sought to exercise its powers to interview him. Nevertheless, it doesn't look good for the Cronulla and Essendon players and we've heard nothing about the claims made about our own players.

Yes ... very curious.

(Robbo's earlier story has definitely been scooped - Controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank to break silence at sportsmans lunch)

Very curious - the Age reporting it this way - ASADA has completed its probe into the AFL and the NRL, says chief executive.

Although I put forward my theory in this thread a while ago that a circumstantial case could be mounted against Essendon players without Dank's direct evidence I still find it extraordinary that ASADA hasn't sought to exercise its powers to interview him. Nevertheless, it doesn't look good for the Cronulla and Essendon players and we've heard nothing about the claims made about our own players.

Yes ... very curious.

(Robbo's earlier story has definitely been scooped - Controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank to break silence at sportsmans lunch)

its ok Jack was given savlon for his foot

Some sort of finality would be in the best interests of most, bar the Essendon crew, prior to the season proper commencing.

Bring it on FFS.

Very curious - the Age reporting it this way - ASADA has completed its probe into the AFL and the NRL, says chief executive.

Although I put forward my theory in this thread a while ago that a circumstantial case could be mounted against Essendon players without Dank's direct evidence I still find it extraordinary that ASADA hasn't sought to exercise its powers to interview him. Nevertheless, it doesn't look good for the Cronulla and Essendon players and we've heard nothing about the claims made about our own players.

Yes ... very curious.

(Robbo's earlier story has definitely been scooped - Controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank to break silence at sportsmans lunch)

It was reported (speculated?) on ABC radio (Canberra) this morning that without Dank's direct evidence, the ASADA Report is weakened to such an extent that nothing will come of it. The term 'whitewash' was used.

Some sort of finality would be in the best interests of most, bar the Essendon crew, prior to the season proper commencing.

Bring it on FFS.

Too late for me GS. I'm horribly conflicted atm, want them punished to make sure this never happens again but picked up Watson as my first pick in a super coach draft league.

It'll be a shame for the players if they cop infractions for having trusted the coaching and medical staff, but it will make the players realise that it's them that is responsible for what goes in their bodies. If players are rubbed out we'll never see such blatant abuse of that trust again because no player will meekly sit there while a club injects them repeatedly with dodgy substances.

Hird, Robson, Dank, Robinson and Reid and any other member of the coaching/medical staff who was complicit in this should never work in football again. And yes Reid was complicit, he didn't do anywhere near enough to stop this and the players trusted him. At best he was a coward and his cowardice could cost the players up to 2 years of their careers.

At best he was a coward and his cowardice could cost the players up to 2 years of their careers.

I have wondered what will become of the players if they are given infraction notices and forced out of the game for up to two years... will Essendon honour their contracts or will the fact that they are out on drug related charges render their contracts null and void? Should be an interesting test of Essendon's moral compass.

It was reported (speculated?) on ABC radio (Canberra) this morning that without Dank's direct evidence, the ASADA Report is weakened to such an extent that nothing will come of it. The term 'whitewash' was used.

I though about this when it was first mentioned that a senior judge had been appointed to oversee ASADA's investigation and in the end I concluded that a "whitewash" involving the sweeping of both cases under the carpet would be so scandalous that it should never be entertained by a government and no judge in his right mind would involve himself in what would effectively be a totally corrupt enterprise. Furthermore, to close the file on this episode without interviewing Dank would simply add to the stench of corruption and scandal. It would almost place our government in the same filthy box as Frank Underwood in House of Cards.

I have wondered what will become of the players if they are given infraction notices and forced out of the game for up to two years... will Essendon honour their contracts or will the fact that they are out on drug related charges render their contracts null and void? Should be an interesting test of Essendon's moral compass.

Honour their contracts and give them a further upgraded contract for when their ban is over even? High unlikely yet they have done so for Brand Hird.

I though about this when it was first mentioned that a senior judge had been appointed to oversee ASADA's investigation and in the end I concluded that a "whitewash" involving the sweeping of both cases under the carpet would be so scandalous that it should never be entertained by a government and no judge in his right mind would involve himself in what would effectively be a totally corrupt enterprise. Furthermore, to close the file on this episode without interviewing Dank would simply add to the stench of corruption and scandal. It would almost place our government in the same filthy box as Frank Underwood in House of Cards.

I think WADA would move in if they thought there had been a whitewash.

Bans to come IMO , Im a little worried about Trenners and the magic cream fiasco , Imagine how the bombers fans feel . The people responsible for this saga at the bombers should be banned for life by the club itself. Claiming they didint know what was given is not an excuse. I would expect no less if it happened at the dees no matter who it was. There are enough good people with integrity in clubland to compensate.

My pop grew up in Moorabin his bro played for the Saints , He always used to say there 'was something in the water' at the saints home.

Finally ! Well there's something in those needles at the shooting gallery!