I agree WYL, there was/is a sense of realness listening to Dean speak, as with Ling'y and Darcy. McVeigh reeks of coaching.

I want to hear more about the pigs brain to increase infield awareness.

He's on a drug that makes you appear stilted and thick

I like it.

I agree WYL, there was/is a sense of realness listening to Dean speak, as with Ling'y and Darcy. McVeigh reeks of coaching.

I want to hear more about the pigs brain to increase infield awareness.

it is amazing that Vlad is on a junket right now.

This is the bigest AFL story for decades!!

Channel 7 have a vested interest in this. Footy ratings without essendon and with a comp tainted by drugs?

it is amazing that Vlad is on a junket right now.

This is the bigest AFL story for decades!!

Exactly, was he timing it to be back before ASADA'S report in made available? This interview only surfaced in the last couple of days.

Channel 7 have a vested interest in this. Footy ratings without essendon and with a comp tainted by drugs?

yes. Ch7 are right in the middle. Should we Shouldn't we...They paid big $$$

"He didn't take part because he didn't like needles"

Was that really the reason.....or he was able to think for himself.

Exactly, was he timing it to be back before ASADA'S report in made available? This interview only surfaced in the last couple of days.

he will have timed it for next week.

Mcveigh is hardly independent

Mcveigh is hardly independent

Spot on I turned it off could no longer stomach the Ch 7 lot.

A couple were almost weeping for poor James

Their empire is near collapse and they know it.

As for Mcveigh I remember him in the first week of this saying they only ever had Vitamin injections.

Ha Ha

I didn't watch the entire programme but didn't it seem that there was an attempt to sweep AOD-9604 under the carpet?

WADA has banned AOD-9604 under its S0 category, which covers substances not approved for human use.

Didn't Jobe Watson admit to having been injected by AOD-9604 and hasn't Essendon been suggesting that ASADA told the club it was OK to use it? That and the possible injection of other banned substances seems to be the crux of the matter to me.

I understand that this was about the Weapon's personal story about the toll his standing down from the club was having on him and his family but I would have thought that the use of AOD-9604 merited a lot more coverage than it got in the programme.

Dons told drug was not legal

I didn't watch the entire programme but didn't it seem that there was an attempt to sweep AOD-9604 under the carpet?

WADA has banned AOD-9604 under its S0 category, which covers substances not approved for human use.

Didn't Jobe Watson admit to having been injected by AOD-9604 and hasn't Essendon been suggesting that ASADA told the club it was OK to use it? That and the possible injection of other banned substances seems to be the crux of the matter to me.

I understand that this was about the Weapon's personal story about the toll his standing down from the club was having on him and his family but I would have thought that the use of AOD-9604 merited a lot more coverage than it got in the programme.

Dons told drug was not legal

If the Weapon is trying to tell us all he had very little knowledge of the supplement program and thought it was all above board and didn't tough the stuff besides a bit of Melatonin2 or whatever it's called to make him tanned and lean then surely he doesn't know anything about AOD right? That's the line I'd be spinning if I was him. I know nothing!

I didn't watch the entire programme it seemed that there was an attempt to sweep AOD-9604 under the carpet.

WADA has banned AOD-9604 under its S0 category, which covers substances not approved for human use.

Didn't Jobe Watson admit to having been injected by AOD-9604 and hasn't Essendon been suggesting that ASADA told the club it was OK to use it?

I understand that this was about the Weapon's personal story about the toll his standing down from the club was having on him and his family but I would have thought that the use of AOD-9604 merited a lot more coverage than it got in the programme.

Dons told drug was not legal

The weapon was tipping as much dirt as he could without incriminating himself. Some prior arrangement was likely made to ensure that AOD-9604 was side stepped in the interview.

Spot on I turned it off could no longer stomach the Ch 7 lot.

A couple were almost weeping for poor James

Their empire is near collapse and they know it.

As for Mcveigh I remember him in the first week of this saying they only ever had Vitamin injections.

Ha Ha

Yes, I remember. ridiculing, who was it? Reimas? In that interview he did right at the beginning, according to mcveigh, sneering at the delisted player, they only ever had vitamins, and everyone knew that. Liar or uninformed. He is an unreliable witness.

As for Darcy saying that he believes in second chances, take that to its logical conclusion,let essendon off with a slap on the wrist, cos they didn't mean to cheat! The discussion was frustrating in the extreme, soft, predictable and totally unenlightening!

Yes, I remember. ridiculing, who was it? Reimas? In that interview he did right at the beginning, according to mcveigh, sneering at the delisted player, they only ever had vitamins, and everyone knew that. Liar or uninformed. He is an unreliable witness.

As for Darcy saying that he believes in second chances, take that to its logical conclusion,let essendon off with a slap on the wrist, cos they didn't mean to cheat! The discussion was frustrating in the extreme, soft, predictable and totally unenlightening!

McVeigh is just there to give the Essendon POV. A foot soldier for their spin and propaganda.

Mcveigh is hardly independent

Spot on I turned it off could no longer stomach the Ch 7 lot.

A couple were almost weeping for poor James

Their empire is near collapse and they know it.

As for Mcveigh I remember him in the first week of this saying they only ever had Vitamin injections.

Ha Ha

And also derided/lambasted Reimers in this first week for talking rubbish over the supplements program during his whistle blowing interview.

In addition, when asked tonight whether there were any players other than Zaharakis who refused the program McVeigh intially said something along the lines of "there were others", then when prompted again said "the OTHER player", then contradicted himself yet again a little while afterwards saying "the others who refused".

The question also needs to be asked, why is McVeigh's view given more weight than the guy who started the ball rolling in the first place, Kyle Reimers? McVeigh's reaction/info in that first week towards Reimers and his interview has since been proven to be so off the money yet Chanel 7 uses McVeigh as their main "go to" guy for all things Essendon. Seems a little strange IMO. Why not bring in Reimers for his opinion as well???

Is Mark Mcviegh still on the payroll from Essendon?

last nights panel discussion tells me YES

last nights panel discussion tells me YES

Jazza you have now become compulsory reading for me.

Yes, I remember. ridiculing, who was it? Reimas? In that interview he did right at the beginning, according to mcveigh, sneering at the delisted player, they only ever had vitamins, and everyone knew that. Liar or uninformed. He is an unreliable witness.

As for Darcy saying that he believes in second chances, take that to its logical conclusion,let essendon off with a slap on the wrist, cos they didn't mean to cheat! The discussion was frustrating in the extreme, soft, predictable and totally unenlightening!

This might be a critical point. If (and it's a big if) the players were told that they were only being given vitamins (1) McVeigh would be correct in saying he believed they only ever had vitamins and (2) medical fraud would have been committed if they'd been injected with something else without their knowledge or consent.

And also derided/lambasted Reimers in this first week for talking rubbish over the supplements program during his whistle blowing interview.

In addition, when asked tonight whether there were any players other than Zaharakis who refused the program McVeigh intially said something along the lines of "there were others", then when prompted again said "the OTHER player", then contradicted himself yet again a little while afterwards saying "the others who refused".

The question also needs to be asked, why is McVeigh's view given more weight than the guy who started the ball rolling in the first place, Kyle Reimers? McVeigh's reaction/info in that first week towards Reimers and his interview has since been proven to be so off the money yet Chanel 7 uses McVeigh as their main "go to" guy for all things Essendon. Seems a little strange IMO. Why not bring in Reimers for his opinion as well???

It's not strange. He's on Channel 7's payroll. Similarly, Channel 9 goes to Matthew Lloyd for the same reason.

Jazza you have now become compulsory reading for me.

think I said reimers was the key all along

also said they would go soft on bombers

also said anybody without a chair is in trouble. vlads got one. jim jones hird seems to have one

weapon, Corcoran, evans haven't got one

black/ops hahahahaha

as quoted many times before by a major aussie poet.suffer in ya jocks

This might be a critical point. If (and it's a big if) the players were told that they were only being given vitamins (1) McVeigh would be correct in saying he believed they only ever had vitamins and (2) medical fraud would have been committed if they'd been injected with something else without their knowledge or consent.

It's not strange. He's on Channel 7's payroll. Similarly, Channel 9 goes to Matthew Lloyd for the same reason.

i can't see medical fraud if players signed a waiver saying they could be injected with aod

i can't see medical fraud if players signed a waiver saying they could be injected with aod

I agree - but what if they were told, and the waiver said, they were only going to be injected with vitamins? (I did say it was a big if.)

Corcoran...say no more.

think I said reimers was the key all along

also said they would go soft on bombers

also said anybody without a chair is in trouble. vlads got one. jim jones hird seems to have one

weapon, Corcoran, evans haven't got one

black/ops hahahahaha

as quoted many times before by a major aussie poet.suffer in ya jocks

Jim Jones? Or is he more of a Branch Davidian?

Jim Jones? Or is he more of a Branch Davidian?

You mean more likely to crash and burn than to take a sip from the poisoned challice?